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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 16, 2018 15:53:46 GMT -5
I take it you won’t be buying the XMR-1 😎. Depending how long it takes to come to market. And if it falls under my ufl. It's not a processor so I would guess not. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 16, 2018 16:04:53 GMT -5
I take it you won’t be buying the XMR-1 😎. Depending how long it takes to come to market. And if it falls under my ufl. Well we are in luck, Lonnie said it falls under the UFL. Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. |
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Post by richb on Apr 16, 2018 16:09:32 GMT -5
Depending how long it takes to come to market. And if it falls under my ufl. Well we are in luck, Lonnie said it falls under the UFL. Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. What is the projected release date for the RMC-1? - Rich |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 16, 2018 16:16:55 GMT -5
Well we are in luck, Lonnie said it falls under the UFL. Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. What is the projected release date for the RMC-1? - Rich I was told summer 2018. I’m not sure if this means June or August. Hopefully sooner than later so my XMR-1 can arrive sooner than later. |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 16, 2018 16:22:35 GMT -5
Depending how long it takes to come to market. And if it falls under my ufl. Well we are in luck, Lonnie said it falls under the UFL. Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. Whoa! Wait a minute. So we are guessing the RMC is summer. And now Lonnie tells you the new XMC Gen 3 will be fall/winter. And Dan said the Atmos upgrade for the XMC Gen 2 will come after that? So what are we talking, Spring 2019?!?!? Say it ain't so. Talk about being strung along. I don't see how it could be seen any other way, but then again, I don't drink blue koolaide, only Gatorade. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 16, 2018 16:25:29 GMT -5
Well we are in luck, Lonnie said it falls under the UFL. Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. Whoa! Wait a minute. So we are guessing the RMC is summer. And now Lonnie tells you the new XMC Gen 3 will be fall/winter. And Dan said the Atmos upgrade for the XMC Gen 2 will come after that? So what are we talking, Spring 2019?!?!? Say it ain't so. Talk about being strung along. I don't see how it could be seen any other way, but then again, I don't drink blue koolaide, only Gatorade. Are you waiting on the Atmos upgrade for the XMC-1 gen2? I wondered how many gen2 owners will upgrade to Atmos. |
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 16, 2018 16:35:26 GMT -5
Whoa! Wait a minute. So we are guessing the RMC is summer. And now Lonnie tells you the new XMC Gen 3 will be fall/winter. And Dan said the Atmos upgrade for the XMC Gen 2 will come after that? So what are we talking, Spring 2019?!?!? Say it ain't so. Talk about being strung along. I don't see how it could be seen any other way, but then again, I don't drink blue koolaide, only Gatorade. Are you waiting on the Atmos upgrade for the XMC-1 gen2? I wondered how many gen2 owners will upgrade to Atmos. I absolutely was. If you'll recall I was one of the champions for it. When Dan decided it could be done, it was strongly suggested that it would be available Spring 2017. As the year went by I started seeing writing on the wall. Then a deal on an 8802a fell in my lap and I said screw it, I'm jumping off the XMC train. With this news, if its accurate, I'm even more glad I did. Because the XMC Gen3 isn't my cup of tea, and with actual expansion modules I will want, the RMC will be out of my reach and probably even more years down the road. If the XMC Gen 2 had the Atmos upgrades available last summer, I'd have one right now. |
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Post by goozoo on Apr 16, 2018 18:14:38 GMT -5
To be fair to Emotiva, let us also keep in mind that any other manufacturer expects their customers to purchase new hardware to take advantage of new tech. and do not really provide an "affordable" upgrade path. From what people are reporting at Axpona, it seems like the owners of current processors (only one actually) need to start saving as holding out for an "upgrade" seems futile at best. The newer processors being showcased really present an upgrade path for customers as technology changes, leaving behind those who currently own 'legacy' hardware. I know that this is contrary to what has been stated by Dan himself, but given the delays and the uncertainty, I would move on and decide what and with whom you want your next processor to be.
Of more interest will be how the RMC-1 will stack up against the likes of Trinnov and Datasat once it is released. It is so interesting that they are focusing on and showcasing a product at shows that will encompass a small portion of their overall sales given their price point and customer base. One would think products made for a much larger audience would generate greater overall revenue. At least we know that these things are not vaporware (like the Emersa line) and that they will come to fruition in time.
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 16, 2018 18:57:25 GMT -5
To be fair to Emotiva, let us also keep in mind that any other manufacturer expects their customers to purchase new hardware to take advantage of new tech. and do not really provide an "affordable" upgrade path. But that's not the full story, I can buy a "name brand" AVR now with 4K and Atmos/DTSX and then sell it next year for a bit more than half what it cost and then buy next years model. With 4K Atmos/DTSX AVR's starting at $500 it's not a big deal cost wise, there is one that matches my budget. I can also buy, brand new, last year's model which has 4K Atmos/DTSX at around half its list price. I could also buy a 2 year old model, which handles 4K for less than the cost of a tank of petrol. That's how far behind loyal Emotiva customers are on the "affordable upgrade path". By the time I saved up enough for an RMC-1 it would be out of date anyway and the "promise" of upgrades for it may well turn out to be just as worthless as the XMC-1 "promises". For completeness there is more than "one current processor" there are actually 4 possibilities. Owners of UMC-1, UMC-200, XMC-1 and MC-700's may well be looking at "upgrading" and the failures to deliver in the current XMC-1 updating process have to be a consideration. It's surely affecting my decision making processes and severely testing my Emotiva loyalties. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 16, 2018 22:56:31 GMT -5
Estimated release is fall/winter 2018. Around the same time as the XMC-1 gen3. Whoa! Wait a minute. So we are guessing the RMC is summer. And now Lonnie tells you the new XMC Gen 3 will be fall/winter. And Dan said the Atmos upgrade for the XMC Gen 2 will come after that? So what are we talking, Spring 2019?!?!? Say it ain't so. Talk about being strung along. I don't see how it could be seen any other way, but then again, I don't drink blue koolaide, only Gatorade. Is there anyway to confirm this timetable? XMR-1 = northern hemisphere summer, that's somewhere June to September 2018 RMC-1 = northern hemisphere summer, that's somewhere June to September 2018 XMC-1 Gen 3 = northern hemisphere fall/winter, that's September 2018 to March 2019 XMC-1 Gen 2 Atmost/DTSX update/upgrade = after the above, is that like possibly a year away? Surely that can't be right  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 16, 2018 22:58:19 GMT -5
Yes, I was in the room where they demoed the Anthem STR pre-amp and power amp. I think it was only 2 channel but they used ARC driving Paradigm Persona speakers (5F?). It sounded very nice. Since I’m not looking for a 2 channel only preamp, it’s not a contender for me. Thanks. Was just curious if they had something new coming down the pipeline. I have their Mrx 1120 in my theater right now, and it is stupendous. Wish I could’ve a/b it with my old xmc but... Oh well. I just looked it up - it’s a receiver like the XMR-1. I like how they have pre-outs for all channels. That’s one thing I like better than the XMR-1. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 17, 2018 11:27:46 GMT -5
Well the HDMI update is going first to existing XMC-1 owners 😊. This is more pertinent anyway.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 17, 2018 12:37:27 GMT -5
(sigh) Maybe we should just create a new thread dedicated to Emotiva product announcements and production delays? It seems that every thread that's created about a new Emotiva product eventually devolves into this.
Yes, I recognize that over the years Emotiva has had problems with these issues. But not every thread needs to turn into this discussion.
On the Good News Front™, I've been following Emotiva now for a bit over 10 years since I first bought my DMC-1/MPS-1 back in September 2007[1]. Over that time I have watched as their production policies and practices have changed — usually driven by recognition of ... "issues" ...
With the RMC-1, XMC-1G3, and DMR-1 I see a very important step that they're making which I think will herald another major shift in their production: a common modular platform, with shared subsystems, and the ability to be incrementally updated. This is I think a key evolution in their processor/pre-amplifier/DAC product offerings which will allow them to hit production targets more reliably, lower costs (both for them and their customers), and offer more timely technology updates.
Casey
[1] Note: I'm probably a bit biased because, for the most part, I've never had any problems with my DMC-1/MPS-1. Maybe I got "lucky" with the DMC-1 in particular because A. it was already done when I heard about Emotiva, and B. it pretty much just did what it was supposed to. Here I am 10 years later getting ready to buy the RMC-1 when it's available.
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Post by richb on Apr 17, 2018 13:01:36 GMT -5
Well the HDMI update is going first to existing XMC-1 owners 😊. This is more pertinent anyway. Yes, this really is a pressing issue for those of us with 4K installed. The ability to put the XMC-1 Gen 2 directly in-line helps me eliminate the ATV4K Vertex (which is hit or miss right now) and finally have a reliable power on sequence. My family has no confidence in running the system when I am not here. Release of the V3 board is vital to bolster consumer confidence. - Rich |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 17, 2018 16:20:53 GMT -5
Yes, I just deleted about 2 full pages of off-topic posts. If it's not Axpona related post it elsewhere. Thanks for your cooperation.  |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 17, 2018 17:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by lrobertson on Apr 18, 2018 8:57:34 GMT -5
That’s exciting to hear an expansion module will be available for 6 independent Dirac sub outs on the RMC-1. No one will have to lose out on the low end with 9.6.6. Thanks for the link
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Post by audiopass on Apr 18, 2018 11:05:54 GMT -5
I just wanted to thank Dan for taking the time to speak with me and my Brother @ Axpoina 2018 in Chicago.It was an amazing experience meating him and his team, very down to earth and doing great things in the audio industry.Love your line of products and will be purchasing some of your products after the first of the year for my home for movies and music.
Keep doing what your doing Emotiva you rock.
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Post by tchaik on Apr 18, 2018 11:39:05 GMT -5
I just wanted to thank Dan for taking the time to speak with me and my Brother @ Axpoina 2018 in Chicago.It was an amazing experience meating him and his team, very down to earth and doing great things in the audio industry.Love your line of products and will be purchasing some of your products after the first of the year for my home for movies and music. Keep doing what your doing Emotiva you rock. agreed.... dan and company were the greatest at the axopona. first thing dan shows me when i first show up are the pictures of his grandkid. that is a proud grampa.... then of course the equipment. i especially enjoyed my conversations with lonnie. at one point he just flat out said... "they are just doing it wrong" when describing emotiva's advantages of their new power supplies (smps) over the traditional transformer/capacitors and the reduced noise, distortion, ripple etc... one gets with the (smps). his comment had to do with the other high end companies that still cleave to the traditional power supply. yes, that may sound like hutzpah but i appreciate his confidence in his work and design. he believes an SMPS done right is superior to the best trans/caps power supply. one thing i heard is that he and dan still want to pursue the ultra-dr mono block dual differential amp that would have 1800 watts at 8 ohms and 3000 watts at 4 ohms.  possibly with meters which lonnie is still playing around with. each mono block would have 6 blades (3by3). yet, there are no promises here but dan wants to make a statement and the idea is not dead. if these happen with meters or xpr faceplate styling i am definitely all in. tchaik..... |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 18, 2018 11:45:50 GMT -5
So I politely asked for pics about the show and for some odd reason my request was deleted. Was I off topic?
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possibly with meters which lonnie is still playing around with. each mono block would have 6 blades (3by3). yet, there are no promises here but dan wants to make a statement 
