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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 20:05:35 GMT -5
It actually sounds more like the ATV is sending everything in a 7.1 format, and if the content is actually 5.1, it’s still sending 7.1 but with silent rear surrounds? Or am I missing something? The testing posted indicates the ATV4K is outputting 5.1 LPCM and the XMC-1 is reporting and treating it as 7.1. - Rich After having read through the Apple Forums, I've come to the conclusion that the ATV4K is most likely not recognizing the XMC-1 as a Dolby Atmos capable processor. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio. Well "Atmospheric Audio" is not an option in my ATV4K, yet NetFlix shows me that I have many options that have Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. So I can only assume that the ATV4K doesn't recognize the XMC-1 as Dolby Atmos capable, just as it didn't recognize it as Dolby Vision capable for those with V2 HDMI board, thus why I'm not getting any content in the "Back Surround" speakers. Though it is odd that the Oppo UDP-203 HDMI input reports 7.1 LPCM when streaming those Dolby Atmos movies/show on NetFlix. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Feb 19, 2019 20:07:46 GMT -5
Installed V5.4/2 firmware and the HDR/SDR misinformation when switching between SDR and HDR sources is fixed but now switching between inputs got slower as looks like handshaking is happening twice when switching inputs. The PCM 7.1 bug is still there which makes sense as the code has a date of Feb 13th, which is while back when we started talking about this bug, which I think was this week. Thinking on going back to V5.4 as switching between inputs got more annoying.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Feb 19, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -5
The testing posted indicates the ATV4K is outputting 5.1 LPCM and the XMC-1 is reporting and treating it as 7.1. - Rich After having read through the Apple Forums, I've come to the conclusion that the ATV4K is most likely not recognizing the XMC-1 as a Dolby Atmos capable processor. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio. Well "Atmospheric Audio" is not an option in my ATV4K, yet NetFlix shows me that I have many options that have Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. So I can only assume that the ATV4K doesn't recognize the XMC-1 as Dolby Atmos capable, just as it didn't recognize it as Dolby Vision capable for those with V2 HDMI board, thus why I'm not getting any content in the "Back Surround" speakers. Though it is odd that the Oppo UDP-203 HDMI input reports 7.1 LPCM when streaming those Dolby Atmos movies/show on NetFlix. Well, the XMC-1 is not an ATMOS capable processor yet and that's why the ATV 4K is not recognizing it. When I was running a running a Marantz NR1606 before the ATMOS upgrade, my ATV 4K wasn't recognizing it as ATMOS capable and the ATMOS option on ATV 4K was not showing up. As soon I switched it out and put on service a new Marantz SR6013, the ATMOS option showed up on my ATV 4K right away. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 20:18:49 GMT -5
This is what I think is going on as well. I'm going to (once again) switch out my XMC-1 with my AV7703 and see how the 7703 reads the incoming stream...  Doc, when you do the swap, check to see if you have an "Atmospheric Audio" setting in the ATV4K once connected to the 7703. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio, to enable Dolby Atmos, if there is, I believe its because it's recognizing it as a Dolby Atmos capable processor, where the XMC-1 is not yet. Which is why I believe there is no sound in the "Back Surrounds" from NetFlix Dolby Atmos encoded movies/shows. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 20:22:39 GMT -5
After having read through the Apple Forums, I've come to the conclusion that the ATV4K is most likely not recognizing the XMC-1 as a Dolby Atmos capable processor. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio. Well "Atmospheric Audio" is not an option in my ATV4K, yet NetFlix shows me that I have many options that have Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. So I can only assume that the ATV4K doesn't recognize the XMC-1 as Dolby Atmos capable, just as it didn't recognize it as Dolby Vision capable for those with V2 HDMI board, thus why I'm not getting any content in the "Back Surround" speakers. Though it is odd that the Oppo UDP-203 HDMI input reports 7.1 LPCM when streaming those Dolby Atmos movies/show on NetFlix. Well, the XMC-1 is not an ATMOS capable processor yet and that's why the ATV 4K is not recognizing it. When I was running a running a Marantz NR1606 before the ATMOS upgrade, my ATV 4K wasn't recognizing it as ATMOS capable and the ATMOS option on ATV 4K was not showing up. As soon I switched it out and put on service a new Marantz SR6013, the ATMOS option showed up on my ATV 4K right away. Thanks for verifying that, I must have missed you saying that before. I just assumed the XMC-1 would at least be getting the Dolby TrueHD 7.1 bed or 7.1 PCM track like UHD-bluray players do, but apparently this is not how it works with streamers. |
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Post by richb on Feb 19, 2019 20:37:19 GMT -5
The testing posted indicates the ATV4K is outputting 5.1 LPCM and the XMC-1 is reporting and treating it as 7.1. - Rich After having read through the Apple Forums, I've come to the conclusion that the ATV4K is most likely not recognizing the XMC-1 as a Dolby Atmos capable processor. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio. Well "Atmospheric Audio" is not an option in my ATV4K, yet NetFlix shows me that I have many options that have Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. So I can only assume that the ATV4K doesn't recognize the XMC-1 as Dolby Atmos capable, just as it didn't recognize it as Dolby Vision capable for those with V2 HDMI board, thus why I'm not getting any content in the "Back Surround" speakers. Though it is odd that the Oppo UDP-203 HDMI input reports 7.1 LPCM when streaming those Dolby Atmos movies/show on NetFlix. That is correct since the XMC-1 is not Atmos capable. IMO, Apple maintains LPCM, whenever possible, to preserve the ATV4K's ability to overlay sound. The ATV4k bit-streams when the source is Atmos and the output is Atmos capable. All that makes sense. This is unrelated to the XMC-1 reporting and possibly treating 5.1 LPCM as 7.1. There has been some good testing here and this problem can be reproduced with Oppo players outputting 5.1 from other sources. - Rich |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 20:50:10 GMT -5
After having read through the Apple Forums, I've come to the conclusion that the ATV4K is most likely not recognizing the XMC-1 as a Dolby Atmos capable processor. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio. Well "Atmospheric Audio" is not an option in my ATV4K, yet NetFlix shows me that I have many options that have Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision. So I can only assume that the ATV4K doesn't recognize the XMC-1 as Dolby Atmos capable, just as it didn't recognize it as Dolby Vision capable for those with V2 HDMI board, thus why I'm not getting any content in the "Back Surround" speakers. Though it is odd that the Oppo UDP-203 HDMI input reports 7.1 LPCM when streaming those Dolby Atmos movies/show on NetFlix. That is correct since the XMC-1 is not Atmos capable. IMO, Apple maintains LPCM, whenever possible, to preserve the ATV4K's ability to overlay sound. The ATV4k bit-streams when the source is Atmos and the output is Atmos capable. All that makes sense. This is unrelated to the XMC-1 reporting and possibly treating 5.1 LPCM as 7.1. There has been some good testing here and this problem can be reproduced with Oppo players outputting 5.1 from other sources. - Rich Sorry I got a little off track. I do agree that PCM 5.1 is not reporting correctly in the XMC-1, I also believe that it's not processing it correctly either. I'm pretty sure DPLIIx is supposed to matrix "Back Surround" channels from PCM 5.1, if so then the XMC-1 isn't doing this, or am I mistaken? |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 19, 2019 21:09:50 GMT -5
I'm going to (once again) switch out my XMC-1 with my AV7703 and see how the 7703 reads the incoming stream... Doc, when you do the swap, check to see if you have an "Atmospheric Audio" setting in the ATV4K once connected to the 7703. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio, to enable Dolby Atmos, if there is, I believe its because it's recognizing it as a Dolby Atmos capable processor, where the XMC-1 is not yet. Which is why I believe there is no sound in the "Back Surrounds" from NetFlix Dolby Atmos encoded movies/shows. Yes... It does. The ATV4K will have an "Atmos Enabled" selection. Just an fyi... I actually just answer this in the "other" (wink wink) thread. So to avoid "double posts", and since the beta code has been generally released (I assume), then maybe we can now just stick to this thread. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 21:44:10 GMT -5
Doc, when you do the swap, check to see if you have an "Atmospheric Audio" setting in the ATV4K once connected to the 7703. There is supposed to be an option in the ATV4K: Settings ---> Video and Audio ---> Audio Format ---> Atmospheric Audio, to enable Dolby Atmos, if there is, I believe its because it's recognizing it as a Dolby Atmos capable processor, where the XMC-1 is not yet. Which is why I believe there is no sound in the "Back Surrounds" from NetFlix Dolby Atmos encoded movies/shows. Yes... It does. The ATV4K will have an "Atmos Enabled" selection. Just an fyi... I actually just answer this in the "other" (wink wink) thread. So to avoid "double posts", and since the beta code has been generally released (I assume), then maybe we can now just stick to this thread. I definitely agree that 5.1 PCM is being reported by the XMC-1 incorrectly, I also believe that it's not processing it correctly since DPLIIx isn't matrixing the "Back Surround" channels. What troubles me is the fact that the Oppo HDMI input is reporting 7.1 LPCM when streaming a PrimeVideo or NetFlix Dolby Atmos movie/show, and I'm not getting any sound whatsoever from the "Back Surround" channels. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 19, 2019 23:44:55 GMT -5
That's because the XMC-1 is processing Dolby Digital 5.1/Dolby Digital+ 5.1/Dolby TrueHD 5.1 with DPLIIx correctly matrixing the "Back Surround" channels to make 7.1, but it isn't doing this with 5.1 PCM. |
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Post by JNieves on Feb 20, 2019 0:33:15 GMT -5
I few mins ago got a new code (V5.4.2) from Lonnie. I will install it later today and report my findings. I would love to try that out... |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Feb 20, 2019 8:46:41 GMT -5
Hey everyone, We are looking for a few users who want to test our new XMC-1 video upgrade beta 5.4.2. Please PM me if you are interested. I'm assuming that's for the 4K board right Chad Correct, for the V3 board. I few mins ago got a new code (V5.4.2) from Lonnie. I will install it later today and report my findings. I would love to try that out... They may, or may not, be seeking more testers, but it can't hurt to PM Nick: |
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Post by ttocs on Feb 20, 2019 8:55:46 GMT -5
When I forced the ATV4K into Dolby 5.1 the XMC-1 properly reports and up-mixes into 7.1. That's because the XMC-1 is processing Dolby Digital 5.1/Dolby Digital+ 5.1/Dolby TrueHD 5.1 with DPLIIx correctly matrixing the "Back Surround" channels to make 7.1, but it isn't doing this with 5.1 PCM. I get it now. It's the PCM that's messed up. (I'm only a little dense) |
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Post by donh50 on Feb 20, 2019 17:58:47 GMT -5
Update: I got a note from Keith L regarding my strange XMC-1 cycling issue. He agreed it was not normal and suggested some trouble-shooting steps. I have a rehearsal tonight so probably tomorrow before I touch it again, maybe the weekend (but dress Saturday morning, performance Saturday night, means not much time to play with it this weekend).
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Post by MonsieurAl on Feb 23, 2019 6:10:31 GMT -5
Hello, I am from France I install the hdmi v3.0 card for 5 months I'm on the latest firmware 5.4 and I have a lot of problems: - no picture at the time of the start of the Canal + G9 4k pay decoder and the xmc-1 ... obliged to change several times sources. - The worst: at each change of channels the sound arrives after 2 seconds with pop, pop in the front speaker right or surround left and it's really painful! it does it as soon as the sound is cut and resumed when changing source, various sounds and pieces of music - One night the xmc-1 did a weird thing: I watch the TV channel decoder + with the sound xcmc1, when I go to bed I was the xmc-1 and the tv not the decoder and in the middle of the night I woke up because I heard rumblings ...  I went to the show and I found that the 2 subwoofer was still powered but the xmc-1 was off! I cut current to the back of the xmc-1 and was able to sleep soundly! he never did it again for now. By cons I love the new display on the xmc-1 is really very beautiful. If you could find me a solution for pops I have in the sounds because it is very embarrassing. thank you in advance. sorry for the spelling Ps: how to get version 5.4.2? I want to try it cordially |
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Post by roadrebel on Feb 27, 2019 14:22:04 GMT -5
Hi guy,
a little Arc help on my V3 board would be appreciated. I have never used it before and maybe its me butttttttt....
LG OLED TV Arc is on port 2 and cable attached. HDMI ARC turned on in audio setting in LG
XMC cabled to output port 2. input set to HDMI ARC. All CEC options enabled.
If I power cycle XMC, LG reports HDMI 2 is enabled and available.
I have tried 3 different brands of cables, all 2.0 compliant.
Latest firmware on all devices.
Thank you in advance
Phil
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 27, 2019 15:20:36 GMT -5
Hi guy, a little Arc help on my V3 board would be appreciated. I have never used it before and maybe its me butttttttt.... LG OLED TV Arc is on port 2 and cable attached. HDMI ARC turned on in audio setting in LG XMC cabled to output port 2. input set to HDMI ARC. All CEC options enabled. If I power cycle XMC, LG reports HDMI 2 is enabled and available. I have tried 3 different brands of cables, all 2.0 compliant. Latest firmware on all devices. Thank you in advance Phil It's not you. ARC setup is very straight forward... Plug your HDMI cable into the "ARC enabled" HDMI ports on both your TV (HDMI Input 2) and XMC-1 (HDMI Output 2) and enable CEC on both devices. Select "Optical/HDMI ARC" as the sound output option on your LG and "HDMI ARC" as the desired input on your XMC-1. Reboot both devices. Should work... but it doesn't. At least not on my XMC-1 with my LG "C6" and, apparently, not yours. Not that I use any other CEC function, but those don't work either. Apparently, there's some compatibility issues with LG sets that they haven't yet figured out. Using the same cables and settings, ARC works fine on my Marantz AV7703. For now, your only recourse may be an optical "workaround" until they get ARC working with LG sets. |
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Post by roadrebel on Feb 27, 2019 15:55:05 GMT -5
Thanks Doc!
I wonder is LCSeminole Has it working with his LG C8 I see in his Sig?
One other thing I noticed that bothers me is the pass through audio, even when the XMC off its converted to PCM 2 channel that sent to the TV??
You would think they could implement a work around for that?
Is Emotiva aware of the LG issue and working on it? Or, do I need to contact tech support and pile on? lol
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 27, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -5
Thanks Doc! I wonder is LCSeminole Has it working with his LG C8 I see in his Sig? One other thing I noticed that bothers me is the pass through audio, even when the XMC off its converted to PCM 2 channel that sent to the TV?? You would think they could implement a work around for that? Is Emotiva aware of the LG issue and working on it? Or, do I need to contact tech support and pile on? lol They're aware of "my" feedback, but it never hurts to show them that there's more than one user with this same issue. The squeaky wheels usually get the grease. Some here would tell you to just use an optical cable and forget about ARC. While that's a perfectly acceptable workaround, it doesn't get the problem fixed. So, I would highly suggest sending a detailed email to "v3support@emotiva.com" and let them know that you, too, have this issue. |
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I went to the show and I found that the 2 subwoofer was still powered but the xmc-1 was off! I cut current to the back of the xmc-1 and was able to sleep soundly! he never did it again for now.