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Post by cwt on Mar 2, 2019 5:52:08 GMT -5
You lost me! you seem to be saying the consumer should know better? i'll move along from this. Mick ; it just boils down to different ce's interpretation of the so called "standard " . Everyone has the cec option ; if they didn't ARC wouldn't be an option at all as it is inherently tied to it . Ive got a Yamaha and it doesn't play well with my trusty Panasonic 780A for ARC ; cant say Ime surprised.. Ime sure you've seen posts like this vvv before that demonstrates what LC is emphasising - hdmicec.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-to-find-out-if-your-device-is-hdmi.htmlIts all just a schemozzle ; hdmi.org agrees otherwise E-ARC wouldn't be brought out with more secure protocols as has been mentioned.. |
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Post by mick on Mar 2, 2019 5:59:31 GMT -5
You lost me! you seem to be saying the consumer should know better? i'll move along from this. Mick ; it just boils down to different ce's interpretation of the so called "standard " . Everyone has the cec option ; if they didn't ARC wouldn't be an option at all as it is inherently tied to it . Ive got a Yamaha and it doesn't play well with my trusty Panasonic 780A for ARC ; cant say Ime surprised.. Ime sure you've seen posts like this vvv before that demonstrates what LC is emphasising - hdmicec.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-to-find-out-if-your-device-is-hdmi.htmlIts all just a schemozzle ; hdmi.org agrees otherwise E-ARC wouldn't be brought out with more secure protocols as has been mentioned.. Thank you cwt, i'm not up to date with all this stuff, maybe i should be in the stupid question thread.. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Mar 2, 2019 9:28:25 GMT -5
To be honest, I don't mind using two remotes - certainly not worth the cost of repair.
Two opinions - I wish the Emotiva tech support people would sync up with Keith. I don't know about anybody else, but they've given me some replies that aren't anywhere close to what I get here.
I just wish Emotiva had used an IR "signature" that was in common use - say use the same Vol+ and Vol- as a Sony or other mass-market brand.
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Post by thrillcat on Mar 2, 2019 10:32:38 GMT -5
Mick ; it just boils down to different ce's interpretation of the so called "standard " . Everyone has the cec option ; if they didn't ARC wouldn't be an option at all as it is inherently tied to it . Ive got a Yamaha and it doesn't play well with my trusty Panasonic 780A for ARC ; cant say Ime surprised.. Ime sure you've seen posts like this vvv before that demonstrates what LC is emphasising - hdmicec.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-to-find-out-if-your-device-is-hdmi.htmlIts all just a schemozzle ; hdmi.org agrees otherwise E-ARC wouldn't be brought out with more secure protocols as has been mentioned.. Thank you cwt, i'm not up to date with all this stuff, maybe i should be in the stupid question thread.. Your instinct is absolutely spot on. But the industry (especially the bigger players) are completely to blame in this. It’s often been a matter of companies not WANTING their equipment to work seamlessly with other brands. What better way to get the consumer to buy more of their product line, right? Problem is, they went far enough trying to achieve this goal that at times their own products wouldn’t work with other of their own products. My parents have a Panasonic TV. They sit way too far away and the rear firing speakers are way too weak. I’ve tried setting up a small system for them before but it was always too much to learn. I thought “okay, perfect candidates for a soundbar”. Bought a nice sounding one, CEC didn’t work and ARC was iffy. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t. Exchanged it for a Panasonic VIERAlink (if we call it CEC customers might think they can connect any brand and have it work- we will call it something to make it sound like they need to use our stuff) system. That’ll work, right? Got it home, connected it, nope. No CEC. Called tech support to find the newer VIERAlink systems wouldn’t talk to the older VIERAlink systems. So I dug around and found an older model on amazon which finally worked. Companies, especially the big ones who have more to sell you, will push the limits (or ignore) any guideline they can if it will increase their bottom line. What you have here is a company trying to adhere as closely to what there is of a standard as they can, and they’re STILL taking the blame for what the big companies are doing. Kudos to Emotiva on this, and I don’t blame them for not wanting to spend a lot of time working on this. It’s not their responsibility. How many calls have been placed to Samsung or LG or Sony about these problems? Or did you simply assume that it must be Emotiva because they’re the smaller company? |
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Post by bitzerjdb on Mar 2, 2019 16:46:32 GMT -5
Any update on the new firmware? My XMC-1 is semi stable at the moment (knock on wood :-) ) but am wondering if the new firmware fixes some of the nagging issues.
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 2, 2019 21:47:06 GMT -5
Any update on the new firmware? My XMC-1 is semi stable at the moment (knock on wood :-) ) but am wondering if the new firmware fixes some of the nagging issues. I’d like to know also. Today I had to hard reboot for lack of video for the first time in a few weeks. |
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Post by roadrebel on Mar 3, 2019 10:24:52 GMT -5
If i wanted to sell my XMC-1 am i obliged to tell the purchaser that the CEC doesn't work? and if there are any other problems please ring Emotiva. cheers How would they know if it works or not until they try it. I’m a regular in the LG OLEDC8/E8 thread on AVS Forum, and series 8 models seem to have compatibility issues with Denon receivers according to their owners, should LG have warned me ahead of time about this? If there were a universal industry protocol for CEC then we wouldn’t be having this discussion as it would just work, but as it is, this is just another HDMI feature that isn’t reliable, just as I think eARC will be as unreliable as ARC. In theory HDMI CEC/ARC are useful features, but in reality out in the wild has proven them to be spotty at best. does your LG C8 Arc Function work with your setup? |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 3, 2019 12:17:27 GMT -5
How would they know if it works or not until they try it. I’m a regular in the LG OLEDC8/E8 thread on AVS Forum, and series 8 models seem to have compatibility issues with Denon receivers according to their owners, should LG have warned me ahead of time about this? If there were a universal industry protocol for CEC then we wouldn’t be having this discussion as it would just work, but as it is, this is just another HDMI feature that isn’t reliable, just as I think eARC will be as unreliable as ARC. In theory HDMI CEC/ARC are useful features, but in reality out in the wild has proven them to be spotty at best. does your LG C8 Arc Function work with your setup? Short answer is no at this time. When the XMC-1 Atmos upgrade is available, I’ll be sending it back and will have Emotiva go over everything to bring it up to spec, if it isn’t already thus far. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 3, 2019 19:48:02 GMT -5
I'm going to do the same as him 
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Post by roadrebel on Mar 6, 2019 0:04:47 GMT -5
does your LG C8 Arc Function work with your setup? Short answer is no at this time. When the XMC-1 Atmos upgrade is available, I’ll be sending it back and will have Emotiva go over everything to bring it up to spec, if it isn’t already thus far. After living through a UMC1 and Emotiva's um less than stellar migration to fix it. I jumped at the chance to get an XMC1. While its been good this V3 board with its issues (even outside the non functional arc) is putting a bad taste in my mouth again. With that in mind makes me apprehensive in dealing with them again. I cant even get an email response back from tech support after a week. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Mar 6, 2019 13:25:17 GMT -5
That's nothing new - unanswered e-mails and telephone calls are nothing new for Emotiva.
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Post by donh50 on Mar 6, 2019 14:30:16 GMT -5
Despite my well-known complaints about the v3 board, I have to say I have had decent responses from their tech support, phone or email. Sometimes it takes them a couple of days, but the only time it took nearly a week was when they were all off to some audio show so I happened to ask at a bad time. The answers are not always what I want to hear, but they've been responsive for me, or I've been lucky so far. A couple of times I've had to go deeper than Keith and he's pulled in a designer or programmer to help out, again a nice thing you may not get with a larger company.
Thinking back over the years, my gut feel is that they tend to go in spurts, sometimes very fast response and sometimes delayed. May reflect their workload and number of customer issues, I don't know.
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Post by jamesbaby on Mar 11, 2019 5:52:59 GMT -5
Does anyone have any update on a possible new FW update to fix the 'no video\blue screen on startup' issue, and the repeated handkshake popping noises, especially when used with Apple TV?
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Post by richb on Mar 11, 2019 10:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by wilburthegoose on Mar 11, 2019 11:48:31 GMT -5
richb - it's all about protecting Hollywood's property.
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Post by richb on Mar 11, 2019 12:15:14 GMT -5
richb - it's all about protecting Hollywood's property. Ripping occurs before converting to ridiculous bitrates. This is all about equipment churn to require hardware updates. - Rich |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 11, 2019 13:22:38 GMT -5
That's true - to a point - but it's also somewhat misguided. The copy protection in HDMI prevents casual copying... but really does nothing to prevent serious content piracy. For example, we can presume that HDMI makes it a bit more difficult for you to record a show, and upload a bootleg copy to your favorite pirate website. However, for $100, you can download a program that will allow you to make a bit-for-bit copy of any Blu-Ray or 4k disc (so HDMI won't do much to prevent disc piracy). And, if you know where to look, and you aren't afraid of getting caught, you won't have much trouble finding a pirated copy of the latest blockbuster to download.
Although my cable company lets me record stuff using my DVR, it does prevent me from making copies of movies I stream for a friend, or for my collection. However, if I really wanted to, I could modify a TiVo to get around that restriction as well.
And, for that matter, many Blu-Ray movies came with a DVD copy, and many 4k movies come with other copies, which you could share with someone else. (What they've mostly done is to make it just difficult enough to make copies that it discourages casual copying - and reminds everyone else that it's against the rules.)
However, I don't think you can reasonably say that "HDMI prevents serious video piracy"..... and more than a $10 door lock prevents burglary.
Also, to be fair, WHEN IT WORKS AS INTENDED, HDMI does deliver a good quality digital image, without a lot of fussing about connection types and compatibility. I find it huge step up in that regard from composite and component video.... no more noisy or fuzzy pictures.... WHEN it works like it's supposed to.
(I was never at all happy with the quality of the analog picture from a composite connection, and even component video was often noticeably less than perfect; when HDMI works right the picture is really good.)
Of course, the catch is that HDMI is also more prone to problems...
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Post by richb on Mar 11, 2019 13:29:48 GMT -5
That's true - to a point - but it's also somewhat misguided. The copy protection in HDMI prevents casual copying... but really does nothing to prevent serious content piracy. For example, we can presume that HDMI makes it a bit more difficult for you to record a show, and upload a bootleg copy to your favorite pirate website. However, for $100, you can download a program that will allow you to make a bit-for-bit copy of any Blu-Ray or 4k disc (so HDMI won't do much to prevent disc piracy). And, if you know where to look, and you aren't afraid of getting caught, you won't have much trouble finding a pirated copy of the latest blockbuster to download. And don't forget that, while most streaming services don't allow you to record movies, my cable company doe sin fact allow me to TiVo movies using my cable box DVR. And, for that matter, many 4k movies come with a Blu-Ray or electronic copy of the movie included that I could share with someone anyway.
(So all HDMI does there is to prevent me from easily making a copy of a movie I stream and giving it to a friend.) And, to be fair, WHEN IT WORKS AS INTENDED, HDMI does deliver a good quality digital image, without a lot of fussing about connection types and compatibility. (I was never at all happy with the quality of the analog picture from a composite connection, and even component video was often noticeably less than perfect; when HDMI works right the picture is really good.)
richb - it's all about protecting Hollywood's property. I wouldn't necessarily say casual for capturing uncompressed movies. It did seem to quell the casual terrible compression at home and upload. As a result, the quality of pirated copies has improved dramatically  Apparently, HDMI 2.0b has increased the complexity of the checking and subsequent bandwidth requirements making it more difficult to transmit which has resulted in many less-than friendly outcomes for the end-user. - Rich |
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Post by darien87 on Mar 12, 2019 7:59:12 GMT -5
Well just had another major bummer related to the XMC. I had my new Samsung TV calibrated last weekend and for some reason the device the calibrator was using would not play nice with the XMC. He couldn't get a picture from the XMC so he was only able to calibrate directly to the TV. All my game systems and 4k players are hooked up to the XMC. So now I have no way of knowing if the picture the XMC is displaying is properly calibrated.
I will say that I am getting a DRASTICALLY different picture from 4k blu-rays to regular ones.
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Post by KeithL on Mar 12, 2019 8:40:13 GMT -5
Hmmmm....
I wonder why his calibrator would have trouble feeding a signal to a standard HDMI input.... However, since we're talking about HDMI, and both the XMC-1 and the RMC-1 only switch video, neither should change the characteristics of the actual picture in any way... so it shouldn't matter. In a proper HDMI system the only thing you're calibrating is the TV itself.
When you're playing a digital picture, off a digital disc, to a TV with a digital input, the only thing that should need calibrating is the output of the panel and its drive electronics - which are all in the TV. Since HDMI is a digital signal, it should not be changed by any device that it is passing through, unless that device specifically alters the bits by processing the digital data in some deliberate way.
(This would happen, for example, if the disc player itself is doing some sort of upscaling.)
Well just had another major bummer related to the XMC. I had my new Samsung TV calibrated last weekend and for some reason the device the calibrator was using would not play nice with the XMC. He couldn't get a picture from the XMC so he was only able to calibrate directly to the TV. All my game systems and 4k players are hooked up to the XMC. So now I have no way of knowing if the picture the XMC is displaying is properly calibrated. I will say that I am getting a DRASTICALLY different picture from 4k blu-rays to regular ones. |
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