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Post by ttocs on Jun 27, 2018 9:22:36 GMT -5
We are constantly working to accelerate the lock time, but a lot of that is out of our control. It all comes back to HDCP2.2. In the lab, if we turn it off, the system is lightning fast, turn it on and it takes 5 to 6 seconds for an input change. Lonnie If it's only when changing inputs, the lag won't bother me. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 27, 2018 9:35:58 GMT -5
We are constantly working to accelerate the lock time, but a lot of that is out of our control. It all comes back to HDCP2.2. In the lab, if we turn it off, the system is lightning fast, turn it on and it takes 5 to 6 seconds for an input change. Lonnie If it's only when changing inputs, the lag won't bother me. The only significant lag is in changing inputs. The overall menu is a few microseconds slower then the old one, but nothing that would be a problem. Lonnie |
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Post by rogersch on Jun 27, 2018 10:42:38 GMT -5
Why not first switch input without hdcp 2.2? And then in the backup do the verification. If it fails then close the connection...
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 27, 2018 10:49:56 GMT -5
Why not first switch input without hdcp 2.2? And then in the backup do the verification. If it fails then close the connection... Not allowed. HDCP validation must be confirmed before a connection can be made, and it has to be revalidated every few microseconds. Lonnie |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jun 27, 2018 11:37:44 GMT -5
We are constantly working to accelerate the lock time, but a lot of that is out of our control. It all comes back to HDCP2.2. In the lab, if we turn it off, the system is lightning fast; turn it on and it takes 5 to 6 seconds for an input change. Hhmmm, is there any possibility of "caching" per-input/output HDCP 2.2 information? I seem to remember a Krell processor which claimed that it could significantly reduce the switching time in this manner. It may have required keeping connections active with all of the powered on inputs/outputs though ... Ah yes, here it is, it was announced for their Foundation 4K UHD Processor series and they call it " Intelligent HDMI switching": Of course they might have a patent on that ... but I can't find any patents mentioning "Intelligent HDMI switching" specifically ... Casey |
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Post by krauley on Jun 27, 2018 11:55:25 GMT -5
Thanks, Ray. I'm about to step out, but I'll check this when I get back later tonight. I can confirm that my HTPC is working as expected! I didn't have time to test *everything* because it's late, and I've had a bit too much wine, but I can now get 60hz refresh rate with HDR and proper audio passthrough. Thank you very much! At this point my only complaint is how long it takes to lock on to an audio signal. That's not specific to HTPC, but rather the new HDMI board in general. Hopefully that can be tightened up via firmware updates in the future. yes im using hdmi 2 out from the xmc |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 27, 2018 12:05:44 GMT -5
That was actually a function built into the SI chip set. I would need to confirm this, but I don't think you can do that anymore. Another thing that is strange at least to me. It is a requirement that we supply enough power over HDMI to power the RX side of any sink device whether or not it is on. That way the HDMI connection is always active even in Standby. The purpose of this was to accelerate the switching time, but with HDCP being run onto of this it still slows it down. Even though the connection is active there is no valid HDCP when the sink device is in standby, so what was intended to speed things up, got superseded by HDCP and slowed down. Go figure, bureaucracy at it best.  Lonnie |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 27, 2018 12:12:23 GMT -5
While I'm here, just another quick update and its important.
It looks like we have tackled all major points except for the Direct TV and Apple TV.
Yes, there is a few minor things but those are the big ticket items.
We have new hardware ordered to test the Direct TV but it may not be here for a couple of weeks. So please be patient.
The issue with the Apple TV looks to be a little more complicated then originally expected. We think the issue lies in one of the info frames, but this may take a little time to figure out as well. So please be patient we are working on it.
Thanks,
Lonnie
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jun 27, 2018 12:12:48 GMT -5
Hhmmm, maybe you ought to contact your chip supplier. The function of keeping the HDCP 2.2 connection alive for powered on devices may need to be explicitly enabled. I'm not sure it would work for powered down devices ... maybe the HDMI power to the RX side would be enough to work that logic?
Casey
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Post by krauley on Jun 27, 2018 12:14:29 GMT -5
I am seeing an issue where if i turn on the tv and then the xmc, im not getting any osd on the tv from any hdmi selections with sources not powered on with the exception of hdmi port 4 which is my cable box. so for instance if i power up the xmc on hdmi 1,2,3 or 5 there is nothing showing on the tv. if i put the xmc on hdmi 4 then i get a display showing. now if i select another hdmi port then ill get the display but only if i go to hdmi 4 first. to make things worse, if i choose one of those ports that dont show on my tv then there is a chance that when i power up the source on that port i wont get anything on my tv and then have to change to hdmi port 4 to get a display and then ill can switch back to the source and have a display.
my system is LG oled G6 tv, Oppo 203, my pc, Ps4pro, 1080i cable box and a ps3. So once i have a display showing to my tv either by having to "force it" but selecting hdmi 4 (cable box) or it happens to come up normally then all of my sources display in the proper manner. Hence i get Dolby vision where i should and hdr where i should. All cables are monoprice premium 18 gb hdmi with sources being 3ft and the run to the tv being a 10ft.
another thing is that if i select say my oppo and it doesnt display on the tv, then there will be no sound coming through the xmc to the speakers. i do not believe my issue is the 10ft run to the tv because of this.
also one other thing, i am red text on my osd on the lg when i push info on the remote when i am getting dolby vision out from my oppo, is this correct? the volume display shows as blue.
edited just to say 3D works just fine with V3 card.
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Post by bluescale on Jun 27, 2018 12:14:35 GMT -5
If it's only when changing inputs, the lag won't bother me. The only significant lag is in changing inputs. The overall menu is a few microseconds slower then the old one, but nothing that would be a problem. Lonnie When I tested with my Panasonic UB900 UHD player, every time I paused and then restarted, I'd lose audio for a few seconds. I did not see that behavior with the previous HDMI board. Is this unique to my setup, or are others seeing this with blu-players and/or DVRs? If I get a chance tonight, I'll bring my Shield from the living room into the theater to see if I get the same behavior when I pause a streaming service. |
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 27, 2018 12:19:46 GMT -5
Hi.
I'm having some problems with the new board. Everything installed fine and first launch was great. Then I reinstalled the 5.0 firmware as recommended, but now i dont get any signal! The ARC is working great, turning everything on with the TV, but the TV just says no signal..
Tried downloading the 5.1 firmware from Wetransfer, but the file is only 15.000 kb and not the xmc-1 says there is no update on the USB stick.. Any help to give?
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Post by ewiles on Jun 27, 2018 13:05:58 GMT -5
The issue with the Apple TV looks to be a little more complicated then originally expected. We think the issue lies in one of the info frames, but this may take a little time to figure out as well. So please be patient we are working on it. Any idea why it doesn't happen with your setup? On another note I am not just having issues with DV, but HDR mode is also not working quite right with the Apple TV. I have terrible banding in this mode -  It looks like the color space conversion is lopping off bits cause my front panel says 2160p/60 8bit |
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 27, 2018 13:16:49 GMT -5
Hi. I'm having some problems with the new board. Everything installed fine and first launch was great. Then I reinstalled the 5.0 firmware as recommended, but now i dont get any signal! The ARC is working great, turning everything on with the TV, but the TV just says no signal.. Tried downloading the 5.1 firmware from Wetransfer, but the file is only 15.000 kb and not the xmc-1 says there is no update on the USB stick.. Any help to give? Finally got it to "working". But no HDR 60hz, only 30:( |
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Post by florindi on Jun 27, 2018 13:21:24 GMT -5
While I'm here, just another quick update and its important.
It looks like we have tackled all major points except for the Direct TV and Apple TV.
Yes, there is a few minor things but those are the big ticket items.
We have new hardware ordered to test the Direct TV but it may not be here for a couple of weeks. So please be patient.
The issue with the Apple TV looks to be a little more complicated then originally expected. We think the issue lies in one of the info frames, but this may take a little time to figure out as well. So please be patient we are working on it.Thanks, Lonnie Lonnie, I spoke with Keith this morning about the OSD graphics color issue. Please make this a priority, since it is not possible to read dark blue text or graphics on a black background. Thanks, Anthony |
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Post by donh50 on Jun 27, 2018 13:25:52 GMT -5
I do not use ARC but noted the comments on using the primary (ARC, HDMI2) output. I am using HDMI1, natch, since it was, well, the first one! Should I be using HDMI2 instead? Reads like I may have setup issues with the OSD if I do not change everything over... Wondering because pulling the unit is a hassle and I am weak, lazy, and strapped for time (rather listen/watch than spend an hour messing around my console).
Hint: NEVER AGAIN will I carefully, lovingly, wrap up all the cables in neat little bundles such that I cannot pull the unit out the front of the console!!! With a 65" TV, two amplifiers, an Oppo, the XMC-1, and several small boxes on a big wood console moving the thing to get behind it is painful -- literally! And the room is small enough I don't want to leave it sitting out a couple of feet for ease of access since it is rare I have to get behind it. But...
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Post by richb on Jun 27, 2018 13:42:14 GMT -5
Hi. I'm having some problems with the new board. Everything installed fine and first launch was great. Then I reinstalled the 5.0 firmware as recommended, but now i dont get any signal! The ARC is working great, turning everything on with the TV, but the TV just says no signal.. Tried downloading the 5.1 firmware from Wetransfer, but the file is only 15.000 kb and not the xmc-1 says there is no update on the USB stick.. Any help to give? Finally got it to "working". But no HDR 60hz, only 30:( I was also able to get ATV4K to operate with DV/30 but not with DV/60. The 2016 OLEDs do not support DV/60 but the 2017/2018 do, so that may explain when it works and when it does not. - Rich |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 13:54:45 GMT -5
Finally got it to "working". But no HDR 60hz, only 30:( I was also able to get ATV4K to operate with DV/30 but not with DV/60. The 2016 OLEDs do not support DV/60 but the 2017/2018 do, so that may explain when it works and when it does not. - Rich Hey Rich, are the Vertex working fine in your setup with the new HDMI board? |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 27, 2018 13:56:36 GMT -5
The issue with the Apple TV looks to be a little more complicated then originally expected. We think the issue lies in one of the info frames, but this may take a little time to figure out as well. So please be patient we are working on it. Any idea why it doesn't happen with your setup? On another note I am not just having issues with DV, but HDR mode is also not working quite right with the Apple TV. I have terrible banding in this mode - View AttachmentIt looks like the color space conversion is lopping off bits cause my front panel says 2160p/60 8bit I just noticed the same thing while watching "Hostiles" last night via my ATV 4K. It's an HDR tile and I noticed banding in what should be smooth transitions. This is my second time watching this title (first time using the XMC-1) and I would have noticed this before. I did notice (and report) seeing "8bit" in the display for HDR, but assumed it was a reporting error. I'm now thinking otherwise. Planned on further investigation when I get home from work this evening Dolby Vision through the ATV seems to be working fine (and yes, my OSD info is also " red" when receiving DV) and correctly reports as "12bit", but HDR might have some issues... |
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Post by melm on Jun 27, 2018 14:22:44 GMT -5
Yes. My AppleTV shows 8 bit on HDR content, but correctly displays Dolby Vision content at 12 bit. That's the same as what I'm seeing from my Oppo 203. It's hard to tell if it is a reporting error or if the higher bit video is actually passing thru the XMC-1 to the my LG OLED.
This should be a priority to investigate and fix... not sure how it escaped the beta testers.
But patiently awaiting fixes, and the board seems mostly spot on. Especially like the reduction in cables to my display, and having the OSD visible on every input.
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