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Post by richb on Jun 27, 2018 14:28:50 GMT -5
I was also able to get ATV4K to operate with DV/30 but not with DV/60. The 2016 OLEDs do not support DV/60 but the 2017/2018 do, so that may explain when it works and when it does not. - Rich Hey Rich, are the Vertex working fine in your setup with the new HDMI board? I have a somewhat complicated system in place and the XMC-1 HDMI-1 out is routed to a Vertex to down-convert to 1080p to the Lumagen 2020. The Lumagen has a masking feature which I use to gray out the new channel logo's and bars that will eventually ruin an OLED. I am not taking any chances. When DV/60 is working, I will more to an XMC-1 4K centric configuration that accommodates the Lumagen: 1) TiVo Bolt+ -> Vertex with Vertex output 0 -> XMC-1 HDMI input and Vertex output 1 to Lumagen. This has the advantage of allowing either path and choosing the 4K or 2K from the Bolt+. 2) XMC-1 HDMI-1 out -> Vertex -> Lumagen, XMC-1 HDMI-2 out -> LG C7, This requires the Vertex to provide C7 EDID information to maintain 4K UHD/DV. I suspect case 2 is going to be more difficult. I plan to keep the UDP-205 direct to the C7 and the HDMI Audio out to the XMC-1. - Rich |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 15:13:47 GMT -5
Yes. My AppleTV shows 8 bit on HDR content, but correctly displays Dolby Vision content at 12 bit. That's the same as what I'm seeing from my Oppo 203. It's hard to tell if it is a reporting error or if the higher bit video is actually passing thru the XMC-1 to the my LG OLED. This should be a priority to investigate and fix... not sure how it escaped the beta testers. But patiently awaiting fixes, and the board seems mostly spot on. Especially like the reduction in cable to my display, and having the OSD visible on every input. My bedroom's Marantz NR1606 does not report any pixel depth when ATV 4K sends HDR signal. That info is just blank.  |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 27, 2018 15:37:40 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference...
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 27, 2018 19:16:49 GMT -5
Is anyone running a 30' HDMI cable to their device?
Not sure if that's my problem, but I'm getting no signal. I can't even see the on-screen menu.
My previous pre pro, my emotiva UMC 1 did not have any issues with the video length. I'm running the xmc-1 to a JVC rs2 projector. So thinking, it could possibly be the cable, I decided to run a new cable and that did not help either.
Thinking maybe it's just the length of cable, I have a second device (LCD TV) about 8 or 10 feet from the pre-pro, so I ran a brand new 10' HDMI cable to that device, and it is getting no signal either. I'm using the second HDMI output on the XMC for the LCD TV.
I don't know if I've got a bum XMC. Or if it's just operator error and I just don't have something set right.
Curious to hear all of your thoughts.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 19:24:14 GMT -5
Is anyone running a 30' HDMI cable to their device? Not sure if that's my problem, but I'm getting no signal. I can't even see the on-screen menu. My previous pre pro, my emotiva UMC 1 did not have any issues with the video length. I'm running the xmc-1 to a JVC rs2 projector. So thinking, it could possibly be the cable, I decided to run a new cable and that did not help either. Thinking maybe it's just the length of cable, I have a second device (LCD TV) about 8 or 10 feet from the pre-pro, so I ran a brand new 10' HDMI cable to that device, and it is getting no signal either. I'm using the second HDMI output on the XMC for the LCD TV. I don't know if I've got a bum XMC. Or if it's just operator error and I just don't have something set right. Curious to hear all of your thoughts. I'm running a 35 ft HDMI Cable to my secondary monitor, LG 27UK650 4K HDR and it works fine. Because the length of the HDMI cable, I only get HDR chroma 4:2:0 from ATV 4K. I also have a 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable and with that one I get full HDR chroma 4:2:2 from ATV 4K. In your case, did you reflashed the XMC-1 with the V5.1 firmware? You should be getting signal with a 10' HDMI cable for sure. |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 27, 2018 19:47:21 GMT -5
Is anyone running a 30' HDMI cable to their device? Not sure if that's my problem, but I'm getting no signal. I can't even see the on-screen menu. My previous pre pro, my emotiva UMC 1 did not have any issues with the video length. I'm running the xmc-1 to a JVC rs2 projector. So thinking, it could possibly be the cable, I decided to run a new cable and that did not help either. Thinking maybe it's just the length of cable, I have a second device (LCD TV) about 8 or 10 feet from the pre-pro, so I ran a brand new 10' HDMI cable to that device, and it is getting no signal either. I'm using the second HDMI output on the XMC for the LCD TV. I don't know if I've got a bum XMC. Or if it's just operator error and I just don't have something set right. Curious to hear all of your thoughts. I've got this 25' cable, and it's performing without issue. It's a bit shorter than yours, but I'd assume 25' is in the same problem category as 30'. www.amazon.com/dp/B06X3QDY4M/ref=twister_B078KYZY54?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 27, 2018 19:51:27 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference... Can you please test whether or not audio has to resync after resuming from pause? It feels like I lose about 5 seconds of audio after un-pausing. I seem to remember the UMC-1 behaving similarly when I had a DVR, but I'm not 100% sure. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 20:04:05 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference... Can you please test whether or not audio has to resync after resuming from pause? It feels like I lose about 5 seconds of audio after un-pausing. I seem to remember the UMC-1 behaving similarly when I had a DVR, but I'm not 100% sure. With ATV 4K for me takes about 2 secs to resync audio after pause. With Xfinity Cable DVR takes about 3 secs. Haven't try with Oppo 203, though. |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 27, 2018 20:59:35 GMT -5
Is anyone running a 30' HDMI cable to their device? Not sure if that's my problem, but I'm getting no signal. I can't even see the on-screen menu. My previous pre pro, my emotiva UMC 1 did not have any issues with the video length. I'm running the xmc-1 to a JVC rs2 projector. So thinking, it could possibly be the cable, I decided to run a new cable and that did not help either. Thinking maybe it's just the length of cable, I have a second device (LCD TV) about 8 or 10 feet from the pre-pro, so I ran a brand new 10' HDMI cable to that device, and it is getting no signal either. I'm using the second HDMI output on the XMC for the LCD TV. I don't know if I've got a bum XMC. Or if it's just operator error and I just don't have something set right. Curious to hear all of your thoughts. I've got this 25' cable, and it's performing without issue. It's a bit shorter than yours, but I'd assume 25' is in the same problem category as 30'. www.amazon.com/dp/B06X3QDY4M/ref=twister_B078KYZY54?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1I don't think I need to reflash the xmc-1. It's a brand new unit. So I'm assuming that it has the most up-to-date firmware. I will be calling emotiva tomorrow to discuss with them. I dread the thought of unhooking all the cables. 😞 |
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Post by suffolk112000 on Jun 27, 2018 21:00:57 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference... Can you please test whether or not audio has to resync after resuming from pause? It feels like I lose about 5 seconds of audio after un-pausing. I seem to remember the UMC-1 behaving similarly when I had a DVR, but I'm not 100% sure. Mine is a high speed cable from Monoprice. |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 27, 2018 21:05:10 GMT -5
If I end up switching to 4K and decide to still have a projector (meaning, a 10 meter HDMI line run), it sounds like the right way to go is the HDBaseT extender.
Mark
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Post by denali on Jun 27, 2018 21:14:36 GMT -5
No one has replied to my question that I posted yesterday. Can someone please check this?
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Post by donh50 on Jun 27, 2018 21:21:34 GMT -5
I don't think I need to reflash the xmc-1. It's a brand new unit. So I'm assuming that it has the most up-to-date firmware. I will be calling emotiva tomorrow to discuss with them. I dread the thought of unhooking all the cables. 😞 Earlier in this thread or the other Lonnie (I think) said the units shipping have FW 5.0, the latest official release. Check and see if you have 5.0 and, if so, download and install 5.1 (beta) from the link earlier in this thread. That has fixed problems for many of us. HTH - Don |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 22:07:02 GMT -5
I don't think I need to reflash the xmc-1. It's a brand new unit. So I'm assuming that it has the most up-to-date firmware. I will be calling emotiva tomorrow to discuss with them. I dread the thought of unhooking all the cables. 😞 Lonnie mentioned yesterday that all XMC-1s were leaving headquarters with V5.0 firmware and he did recommend customers reflashing the units with V5.1 as soon they get the XMC-1 delivered. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 27, 2018 22:14:09 GMT -5
No one has replied to my question that I posted yesterday. Can someone please check this? If you meant Standby Volume, then it's still there in V5.1 firmware.   |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 0:57:15 GMT -5
I've got this 25' cable, and it's performing without issue. It's a bit shorter than yours, but I'd assume 25' is in the same problem category as 30'. I don't think I need to reflash the xmc-1. It's a brand new unit. So I'm assuming that it has the most up-to-date firmware. I will be calling emotiva tomorrow to discuss with them. I dread the thought of unhooking all the cables. 😞 Mine was updated and shipped from Emotiva last Thursday and Lonnie confirmed that it will come with 5.0, so I will have to load 5.1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 28, 2018 2:57:53 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference... Can you please test whether or not audio has to resync after resuming from pause? It feels like I lose about 5 seconds of audio after un-pausing. I seem to remember the UMC-1 behaving similarly when I had a DVR, but I'm not 100% sure. On my ATV 4K, audio recovery from "pause" is nearly instantaneous regardless of app used. From my 203, it's about 1-2 seconds tops. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 28, 2018 3:40:16 GMT -5
I'm going to pick up the 4K UHD Blu-ray version of "Hostiles" on my way home and see what results I get using my 203 rather than the ATV. At least from the 203, I can tell what is being sent from its HDMI output and I'll know just by seeing the "Liongate" opening splash screen if there's any difference... After a long night of tinkering, I have to agree that there "is" some odd behavior between the ATV 4K and the v3 board. Dolby Vision titles play fine, as does SDR, but HDR can show some odd banding that simply is not present when watching the same titles with the ATV connected directly to the TV, or through my 7703, or on my (virtually identical) Living Room setup. Apple states that they use the HDR 10 Media Profile (HDR-10) in the ATV 4K, but I believe HDR-10 requires at least 10 bits of color information to function correctly. I believe there may be something more to this "8bit" issue than just being a panel reporting error. Even the ATV’s Home Screen can show some horrendous banding if you tinker with the video settings just one too many times. The only way to recover after this is to fully power down the XMC-1, flip the power switch, and then reboot. Since Lonnie has already mentioned that they are aware of issues with HDR on the ATV, I think I'll leave well enough alone...  On a happier note, after upgrading to the newest 5.1a firmware, the "Extended Information" from my UDP-203 (which shows what’s actually being sent from its HDMI output) and the "Info" panel of my XMC-1 are finally, for the first time, in agreement when playing an HDR-10 encoded disc... Attachments:
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Post by zarthaz on Jun 28, 2018 4:13:38 GMT -5
My board has arrived in Melbourne Australia, has left the airport so assuming delivery tomorrow. Is there updated firmware that combines the beta 5.1 and 5.1A yet? I will probably need the 5.1A as I have a computer interfacing with the processor and it seems 5.1A is required for bug fix for computers, PS4, Xbox1.
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Post by cwt on Jun 28, 2018 6:00:20 GMT -5
On a happier note, after upgrading to the newest 5.1a firmware, the "Extended Information" from my UDP-203 (which shows what’s actually being sent from its HDMI output) and the "Info" panel of my XMC-1 are finally, for the first time, in agreement when playing an HDR-10 encoded disc... Certainly you would expect very little banding with a 10bit uhd signal than an 8bit Doc . I wonder with the readout being either 8bit or 12bit whether anyone has seen the XMC1 readout say 10bit - the UHD bd "standard" as it also is with the mandatory HDR10 ? It follows that no 10bit read out = something to be programmed in later with a new firmware or a glitch with a UHD bd player.. Theres many readouts that cant even emulate the XMC1's oled With the ATV4 ; does it stream at 8bit to conserve bandwidth ? Noticed this ' |
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