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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 10:49:09 GMT -5
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jun 28, 2018 11:00:36 GMT -5
Man, I hope on future processors (like the RMC-1) that the Emotiva Staff can come up with a Firmware Update system as simple and smooth as the one that Oppo had for their Bluray Players. So much simpler just loading it over the Ethernet from a Central Server ...
Casey
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Post by bluescale on Jun 28, 2018 11:10:56 GMT -5
Can anyone comment on whether or not there are any problems with the nVIDIA Shield TV? Given the number of issues that keep coming up, we are holding off on recommending any upgrades for clients until the board is ready for prime time. So, so, sad. I have a couple more calls this morning, but I'm working from home, so I can test this for you. I just have to take the Shield from the living room into the theater. I doubt there will be any problems, but I'll put it through the paces in a bit. |
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 28, 2018 11:31:16 GMT -5
THX. I tried downloading it to a usb, but the xmc-1 just says there is No firmware on it? |
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Post by melm on Jun 28, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -5
THX. I tried downloading it to a usb, but the xmc-1 just says there is No firmware on it? Make sure it's not a zip file... if so, unzip it and put it on your USB stick. |
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 28, 2018 11:38:21 GMT -5
THX. I tried downloading it to a usb, but the xmc-1 just says there is No firmware on it? Make sure it's not a zip file... if so, unzip it and put it on your USB stick. It's a .dat file? |
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Post by melm on Jun 28, 2018 11:52:53 GMT -5
Yes, 5.1 is a .dat file.
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 28, 2018 11:53:11 GMT -5
Make sure it's not a zip file... if so, unzip it and put it on your USB stick. It's a .dat file? Sorry! My usb was wrong format. Got it now!unfortunately still in 30 Hz with HDRš |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 28, 2018 12:12:01 GMT -5
Sorry! My usb was wrong format. Got it now!unfortunately still in 30 Hz with HDRš Could this be a cable issue? If you bypass the XMC-1 completely do you get 60Hz with HDR? |
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Post by kongjarl on Jun 28, 2018 12:14:52 GMT -5
Sorry! My usb was wrong format. Got it now!unfortunately still in 30 Hz with HDRš Could this be a cable issue? If you bypass the XMC-1 completely do you get 60Hz with HDR? Yep. All new Amazon 4k HDMI cables. Onlys getting 60hz without HDR and in 8bit yuv 420. Using Shield TV btw. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 28, 2018 12:15:02 GMT -5
On a happier note, after upgrading to the newest 5.1a firmware, the "Extended Information" from my UDP-203 (which shows whatās actually being sent from its HDMI output) and the "Info" panel of my XMC-1 are finally, for the first time, in agreement when playing an HDR-10 encoded disc... Certainly you would expect very little banding with a 10bit uhd signal than an 8bit Doc . I wonder with the readout being either 8bit or 12bit whether anyone has seen the XMC1 readout say 10bit - the UHD bd "standard" as it also is with the mandatory HDR10 ? It follows that no 10bit read out = something to be programmed in later with a new firmware or a glitch with a UHD bd player.. Theres many readouts that cant even emulate the XMC1's oled With the ATV4 ; does it stream at 8bit to conserve bandwidth ? Noticed this ' Actually, yes. After updating the firmware to 5.1a, the input from the ATV 4K reports "4:2:0 10bit HDR". However, the ATV must be set to "4k60 HDR" in its video output settings to see this and you only see it while the ATV is in the "Home" or App screens. The moment you play HDR content, it falls back to "4:2:2 8bit HDR". Just as stated in the information you've found. I have done some additional research this morning and will post my findings below. But, no, the ATV does not limit the bandwidth and does, in fact, output all formats (SDR, HDR-10 and DolbyVision) in a proper format. |
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Post by melm on Jun 28, 2018 12:32:30 GMT -5
5.1a is getting me 12 bit Dolby Vision on my AppleTV when there is appropriate content.. and other items that are just HDR from Netflix and Amazon show as 10 bit.
After an update by ATV downgraded some of my settings, so I had to reset the video settings to pass through format and frame rate... FYI... those updates can change things... so make sure your settings are clean...
mel
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 28, 2018 13:09:03 GMT -5
Iāve spent the better part of the morning doing more research to try to shed some light upon the ā8bitā reporting issues on the XMC-1 with the Apple TV 4K. This is what Iāve foundā¦ HERE is a link to a discussion in the āApple TV Ownersā thread on the AVS Forum where members there are discussing āwhatā the ATV 4K outputs and āhowā it is being reported on their equipment. In post #6567 (page 219), this member goes into great detail exposing what his ATV appears to be outputting using the āHDMI Inā of his Oppo UDP-203. You can see, there, what he finds to be true in his own system. However, in post #6572 (page 220), another member directly refutes those findings by using a specialized tool (an Accupel Analyzer) to test the ATV 4K directly at its HDMI output. The ATV 4K does output HDR content at 4:2:2/12bit. Keep in mind that these posts are fairly dated (October 2017) and since that time, Apple has added āMatch Rangeā and āMatch Frame Rateā to the video settings and Oppo has put a lot of work into getting the āHDMI Inā working correctly. But my findings below do coincide with the findings of the "refuting" poster above. Since Iām tired of pulling my rack out and switching cables in my main system, I decided to instead use the setup in my living room as a test mule. Itās the same TV (just 55ā versus 65ā), the same UDP-203 and the same ATV 4K. All firmware is current and all of the cables are the identical brand (Monoprice Certified Premium) and are the same exact length (6 ft). Routing the HDMI output of my ATV 4K through my UDP-203ās HDMI input to gain access to the input/output data (the same way the guys on AVS Forum did), this is what Iāve foundā¦ *** For reference, this is how I've always configured my ATV 4K and have always gotten great results. As a note for those who may not be familiar with the "extended" information that Oppo provides, the information displayed in the upper right corner is the data of the "incoming" signal. This is the signal that the ATV 4K is outputting. The information that is shown in the lower left corner is what the Oppo (itself) is outputting based upon how you have your output options configured (all "auto" in my case) and what your display "asks" for through its EDID requests.***  Since I always use "Match Range" and "Match Frame Rate", the results for SDR and HDR content will be different. Keep in mind that the HDMI Input of the 203 (or 205 for that matter) is not Dolby Vision compatible. But since the XMC-1 is not having issues properly receiving Dolby Vision from an ATV 4K, the results would be irrelevant. Here is the "Home Screen". The video data represents 4K SDR output from the ATV.  Here is SDR content streamed from iTunes. The results are the same for SDR streamed from any app or with SDR content streamed locally from my NAS (all MKV rips).  Here is HDR content streamed from iTunes.  Here is HDR content streamed from a 4K UHD HDR rip (MKV).  As you can see, the ATV 4K does, in fact, output both SRD and HDR-10 in formats that are both adequate and proper. It's also important to note that Oppo apparently had issues "detecting" this as well but, more importantly, got it fixed because it certainly gets it right now. I'm sure that Lonnie, Ray and the development team at Emotiva will find the same magic bullet that Oppo did. Until then, I must admit that my fear is that "if" this issue with the XMC-1 "is" related to bad EDID, the ATV will truncate its output (in a bad way) based upon the information that it receives. I have already seen this happen and, luckily, a reboot fixed it. Tweaking the setting too many times in one sitting will surely upset the apple cart (no pun intended). I also have to say that, until now, I have never used the HDMI input of my 203 and I'm impressed. Later this evening, I might pull my rack out again (yeah, I know, I said I was tired doing of that) and connect my main system the same way. I'm curious to see what the XMC-1 says then...  |
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Post by donh50 on Jun 28, 2018 13:40:06 GMT -5
I believe that is the error message when the video board is wrong. Have you tried flashing 5.1 again? The really bad news is that Emotiva does not seem to have a customer-friendly way to fix a corrupted flash image and you might have to send it in...  My company deals with this a lot and we have a "back door" serial port and utilities to allow customers to get in and fix a bad flash image, though in some cases it may take board rework to attach the UART port. If the UART header is installed (which we recommend, natch) it is usually a simple matter to attach a serial cable (usually through a USB dongle) and run the (command-line Windows or Linux) utility to erase and re-flash the image. We also look for multiple images and require customers to select the one they want to load. Our applications are more mission-critical than an audio processor, though no less frustrating if they get it wrong, and plenty of customers and internal engineers have inadvertently bricked a board... Good, albeit painful, reminder to the rest of us. I did remember to check for an older image on my stick before flashing the new FW, fortunately. All of the boards could be flashed, but here is the thing. How many people have a Jtag interface sitting around at their house.  Lonnie Good point. Our devices just need a standard UART dongle (we do have JTAG ports but don't let customers touch those). That said, I'd bet very few folk have even that sitting around the house. I have one for an older project I was doing, but must admit I have no idea where it is, and would probably grab one from work. And I bet most workplaces don't have them either; getting to be archaic except for some special cases like this. Some electronics hobbyists may have them. By and large most audiophiles don't want to dig that deeply into the guts of things, and I would expect this to happen infrequently. We included a flash erase button on some boards (some flash chips have a global erase pin), but then you need JTAG or something like it to flash new FW, so that isn't a great solution either. Not to mention customers who decide to hit the button and then complain they have no way to restore the (now bricked) board. We have a serial boot loader in the HW but that takes some extra work and logic gates. Easy for me to suggest since I am an analog guy and don't deal with that part of the design... |
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Post by multicore on Jun 28, 2018 15:10:12 GMT -5
In the for what its worth department with respect to XMC-1 menu font color on my XMC-1:
FW 5.0 Blue
FW 5.1 Blue
FW 5.1A White
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 15:28:54 GMT -5
Going to test this with 75' cat6 and 35' cat6 just to see if I get proper HDR and DV in my Sony X930E. I will report later my findings.  |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 28, 2018 18:56:05 GMT -5
Can anyone comment on whether or not there are any problems with the nVIDIA Shield TV? Given the number of issues that keep coming up, we are holding off on recommending any upgrades for clients until the board is ready for prime time. So, so, sad. The 5.1a code addresses this. Should be completely stable. Lonnie |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 28, 2018 18:58:47 GMT -5
Make sure it's not a zip file... if so, unzip it and put it on your USB stick. It's a .dat file? Are you using a MAC? Mac always screws up the files, I mean saves it in a format not compatible. . Truth be told, the XMC looks for a file system on Fat32. Make sure it is being saved that way. Lonnie |
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Post by andyman on Jun 28, 2018 19:06:04 GMT -5
I did my install and update yesterday . Went very smooth . Hardest part was getting the top cover off.š
The USB stick I recieved with my board had 5.1 on the label. Thanks for all the tips and info from the loungers .
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 19:10:50 GMT -5
Ok after a few hours testing here are my findings:
1.- I tested the ATV 4K and Oppo 203 connecting them directly to the Emotiva HDBaseT transmitter --------> 35 ft Cat6 -------> Emotiva HDBaseT receiver ------> Sony X930E and I got full HDR and DV from Oppo 203 and full HDR from ATV 4K. I also got DV from ATV 4K but for some weird reason, the ATV 4K colors menu look washed out but as soon the DV movie starts, colors look normal. Same thing happened when connected the ATV 4K with the 50' Monoprice HOSS active HDMI Cable. If I connect the ATV 4K with a 6' Certified HDMI Cable directly to the TV then ATV 4K menu looks great with DV settings. Looks like ATV 4K is very sensible to long run HDMI cables, even if you use an HDBaseT HDMI Extender. I'm going to report this to Lonnie so they can check in the lab. So now that I know that the Emotiva HDBaseT can handle HDR and DV, I can move to second round of testings.
2.- Now HDMI OUT 2 from XMC-1 is connected to the HDBaseT extender, 35 ft Cat6 then to the Sony X930E. I didn't get DV from Oppo 203, nor from ATV 4K. Reflashed the XMC-1 with V5.1a, same results, no DV from Oppo 203, nor from ATV 4K. Then tested HDR and I can get HDR from ATV 4K only if I set ATV 4K at 4K HDR 60Hz and disable match Frame Rate and Dynamic Content. If I enable those two, the XMC-1 reports HDR but the TV shows SDR. I only have one DV UHD dice which is "It". If I play It from the Oppo 203, I don't get DV but also I don't get any kind of HDR, only SDR. If I switch to Hacksaw Ridge in 4K HDR, then I get HDR 24Hz/8 bit 4:4:4.
3.- I don't care too much about DV because this is a projector setup and projectors do not support DV. But I know some of you have OLED and LED TVs and you guys care and want DV. I'm going to keep the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT HDMI Extender because I know it pass HDR full bandwidth and that's what I need in my setup.
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My company deals with this a lot and we have a "back door" serial port and utilities to allow customers to get in and fix a bad flash image, though in some cases it may take board rework to attach the UART port. If the UART header is installed (which we recommend, natch) it is usually a simple matter to attach a serial cable (usually through a USB dongle) and run the (command-line Windows or Linux) utility to erase and re-flash the image. We also look for multiple images and require customers to select the one they want to load. Our applications are more mission-critical than an audio processor, though no less frustrating if they get it wrong, and plenty of customers and internal engineers have inadvertently bricked a board...
