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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 19:12:59 GMT -5
Are you using a MAC? Mac always screws up the files, I mean saves it in a format not compatible.  . Truth be told, the XMC looks for a file system on Fat32. Make sure it is being saved that way. Lonnie Excuse me, my MacMini is very obedient, if I tell it to save in Fat32 format (so last millennium  ) it does. Cheers Gary |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 20:29:40 GMT -5
OK so now testing in my living room setup with the LG27UK650 4K HDR Monitor, I only get 4K HDR 4:2:0 when use the HDBaseT Extender. If I switch to the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable I get 4K/60Hz HDR 4:2:2. I'm returning the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT, it's not reliable in my setup. Handshake takes too much time. I had unplugged and plugged back in more than 10 times, tried different HDMI cables (all of them no more than 6') and no way to get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2 from ATV 4K.
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Post by ttocs on Jun 28, 2018 20:36:20 GMT -5
OK so now testing in my living room setup with the LG27UK650 4K HDR Monitor, I only get 4K HDR 4:2:0 when use the HDBaseT Extender. If I switch to the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable I get 4K/60Hz HDR 4:2:2. I'm returning the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT, it's not reliable in my setup. Handshake takes too much time. I had unplugged and plugged back in more than 10 times, tried different HDMI cables (all of them no more than 6') and no way to get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2 from ATV 4K. Hmmmmm, I hope someone can chime in on this because the HDBaseT is what I'll need for my setup, or something like it. I was hoping you'd have a great review to share with us. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 21:13:04 GMT -5
Hi Enrico, sorry for the dumb questions but I'm confused, please help me out here. OK so now testing in my living room setup with the LG27UK650 4K HDR Monitor, I only get 4K HDR 4:2:0 when use the HDBaseT Extender. What is the source? What rate is the "4K HDR 4:2:0", is it 30/50/60? Is that just an improvement from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2? Or is there a rate improvement as well? Where are you using the <6' HDMI cables? And how many? Is it from the ATV4K to the XMC-1 or from the XMC-1 to the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT Extender? Or both? Wouldn't that be <12' of HDMI cable? So there's <12' of HDMI cable to and from the Extender, which could be the reason for the signal degradation? FWIW, personally I'd try using 50cm (1.5') HDMI cable to keep the non amplified cable length down. Cheers Gary |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 21:21:06 GMT -5
OK so now testing in my living room setup with the LG27UK650 4K HDR Monitor, I only get 4K HDR 4:2:0 when use the HDBaseT Extender. If I switch to the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable I get 4K/60Hz HDR 4:2:2. I'm returning the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT, it's not reliable in my setup. Handshake takes too much time. I had unplugged and plugged back in more than 10 times, tried different HDMI cables (all of them no more than 6') and no way to get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2 from ATV 4K. Hmmmmm, I hope someone can chime in on this because the HDBaseT is what I'll need for my setup, or something like it. I was hoping you'd have a great review to share with us. It does work if bypass the XMC-1. I can get DV from Oppo 203 perfect but from ATV 4K the menu looks washed out. Then as soon it goes into the XMC-1, no DV, HDR works sometimes and the most important thing for me was the 4K HDR Monitor that is only getting 4K/60 HDR 4:2:0, same results as with my current 35' Bluerigger passive HDMI cable ($15) and if I switch to the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable ($27) I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2. So at this point there is no way I can justify $399 if I'm getting the better results with a $27 HDMI cable. What I'm looking for is to get the same resolution, bit depth and chroma subsampling on both, the HDR monitor which is 35' away from the XMC-1 and from the JVC 4K projector which is 6' from the XMC-1 so if I turn ON both displays the XMC-1, Oppo 203 or ATV 4K don't get crazy trying to match chroma and bit depth. I guess I need to make sure to not turn ON both displays. I think I can get away with the HOSS active cable, though. But for now the Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender goes back to TN. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 21:34:21 GMT -5
Hi Enrico, sorry for the dumb questions but I'm confused, please help me out here. OK so now testing in my living room setup with the LG27UK650 4K HDR Monitor, I only get 4K HDR 4:2:0 when use the HDBaseT Extender. What is the source? What rate is the "4K HDR 4:2:0", is it 30/50/60? R: Source is ATV 4K. The Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender does not pass the chroma 4:2:2 subsampling test, while the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable does pass the chroma 4:2:2 subsampling test. With the 4K Extender I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:0 and with the Monoprice I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2.Is that just an improvement from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2? Or is there a rate improvement as well? R: Rate is the same. Where are you using the <6' HDMI cables? And how many? Is it from the ATV4K to the XMC-1 or from the XMC-1 to the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT Extender? Or both? Wouldn't that be <12' of HDMI cable? So there's <12' of HDMI cable to and from the Extender, which could be the reason for the signal degradation? R: I did the test with: XMC-1 --->6' HDMI Cable ---> 4K HDBaseT Extender Transmitter----> 35' Cat6 UTP cable ---> 4K HDBaseT Extender Receiver ---> 6' HDMI Cable ---> LG 27UK650 4K HDR Monitor. All the 6' Cables are Monoprice Certified Premium. There should be no degradation because as soon the signal reach the 4K Extender Transmitter it gets amplified and sent over Cat6, then the Receiver restore the signal without any loss then a 6' HDMI cable from the receiver to the monitor should work just fine. FWIW, personally I'd try using 50cm (1.5') HDMI cable to keep the non amplified cable length down. Cheers Gary |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 28, 2018 21:39:11 GMT -5
Can anyone comment on whether or not there are any problems with the nVIDIA Shield TV? Given the number of issues that keep coming up, we are holding off on recommending any upgrades for clients until the board is ready for prime time. So, so, sad. I have a couple more calls this morning, but I'm working from home, so I can test this for you. I just have to take the Shield from the living room into the theater. I doubt there will be any problems, but I'll put it through the paces in a bit. Things got busy this today, so i didn't get a chance to test earlier, sorry. Anyway, the good news is that everything worked just fine with the Shield and the XMC-1 (with the 5.1a firmware applied). In all instances, video was perfect, with HDR and SDR properly detected. Sound also worked properly, although there were a couple minor anomalies: - If you have system sounds turned on on the Shield, you won't hear them properly. I'm assuming this is because of the slow audio lock. The only way I could hear the click when scrolling through items was if I held the scroll button down. If I press through tiles individually, there was only the last few milliseconds of the click.
- If the Shield is set to output in stereo only, audio lock when streaming for a service like Netflix is not a problem. I assumed the fact that system sounds didn't work, audio lock in video would be problematic. Instead, it's pretty much instantaneous.
- If the Shield is set to output in stereo only, the XMC-1 will incorrectly report SDR if you hit the info button when playing HDR video, even though it properly passes HDR to my projector. This appears to be a purely cosmetic issue.
- If the Shield is set to output in 5.1, audio lock is similar to my blu ray player. The delay is several seconds, and unfortunately that's true after pausing it as well. The info button properly reports HDR when HDR is playing.
- If the Shield is set to output in 5.1, and the XMC-1's surround mode is set to Auto, the XMC-1 identifies the incoming audio signal as PCM 5.1. If the XMC-1's surround mode is set to Direct, the XMC-1 identifies the incoming audio signal as Dolby.
The biggest remaining issue is audio sync. Whether or not to recommend the upgrade depends on how picky/demanding your customers are about small details. It's very usable at the moment, but it could use some more polish.
Edit: I just rebooted the XMC-1, and #5 is no longer an issue. I'm having enough weird issues that come and go that I think I'm going to try backing up my settings and doing a factory reset. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 22:41:35 GMT -5
Hi Enrico, sorry for the dumb questions but I'm confused, please help me out here. What is the source? What rate is the "4K HDR 4:2:0", is it 30/50/60? R: Source is ATV 4K. The Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender does not pass the chroma 4:2:2 subsampling test, while the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable does pass the chroma 4:2:2 subsampling test. With the 4K Extender I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:0 and with the Monoprice I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2.Is that just an improvement from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2? Or is there a rate improvement as well? R: Rate is the same. Where are you using the <6' HDMI cables? And how many? Is it from the ATV4K to the XMC-1 or from the XMC-1 to the Emotiva 4K HDBaseT Extender? Or both? Wouldn't that be <12' of HDMI cable? So there's <12' of HDMI cable to and from the Extender, which could be the reason for the signal degradation? R: I did the test with: XMC-1 --->6' HDMI Cable ---> 4K HDBaseT Extender Transmitter----> 35' Cat6 UTP cable ---> 4K HDBaseT Extender Receiver ---> 6' HDMI Cable ---> LG 27UK650 4K HDR Monitor. All the 6' Cables are Monoprice Certified Premium. There should be no degradation because as soon the signal reach the 4K Extender Transmitter it gets amplified and sent over Cat6, then the Receiver restore the signal without any loss then a 6' HDMI cable from the receiver to the monitor should work just fine. FWIW, personally I'd try using 50cm (1.5') HDMI cable to keep the non amplified cable length down. Thanks Enrico, filled in the knowledge gaps nicely, much appreciated. My experience with HDMI extenders (not Emotiva) has been that I can have really long (like 50 metres plus) runs between the bases. But if I don't use short, like really short, HDMI cables to and from the extender bases, I have issues. I know in theory at 6' x 2 = 12' it shouldn't, but it does in practise. It's actually worse than a single 12' unamplified HDMI cable as there are 4 connections instead of 2. A good friend of mine installs video conferencing facilities and he was the one who tipped me off about trying the short HDMI connections. In comparison your 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable doesn't have any unamplified lengths of HDMI cable before it and after it and it only has 2 connections. FWIW, I currently have 3 x 5 metre HDMI cables all supposedly certified "Premium 4K High Speed" from 3 different manufacturers and only one of them passes 4K60hz 4.2.2. The other 2 only 1 makes 4K60HZ 4.2.0 and the other 4K30hz 4.2.2. Fortunately when I install the XMC-1 I will only need 1 x 5 metre HDMI cable (the one that works) and I can junk the other 2. Cheers Gary |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 28, 2018 23:04:42 GMT -5
Thanks Enrico, filled in the knowledge gaps nicely, much appreciated. My experience with HDMI extenders (not Emotiva) has been that I can have really long (like 50 metres plus) runs between the bases. But if I don't use short, like really short, HDMI cables to and from the extender bases, I have issues. I know in theory at 6' x 2 = 12' it shouldn't, but it does in practise. It's actually worse than a single 12' unamplified HDMI cable as there are 4 connections instead of 2. A good friend of mine installs video conferencing facilities and he was the one who tipped me off about trying the short HDMI connections. In comparison your 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable doesn't have any unamplified lengths of HDMI cable before it and after it and it only has 2 connections. Cheers Gary I have experience with HDBaseT HDMI Extenders. I work as a technologies manager in a mega church and part of my job is installation and service of all video and audio equipment in campus. Just this week finished installing fiber optic to the projectors (Christie DHD800) in our main worship center. We were running HDBaseT Atlona and Gefen Extenders that are POL and due to EMP we lost very expensive equipment, including two outputs in out Ross Carbonite broadcasting video production switcher. Now, my experience is more with HD (1080i) and no HDCP compliant equipment. The problem with 4K HDBaseT HDMI Extenders is HDCP 2.2 which makes things unreliable. To be honest, when I decided to get the Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender I thought I was dealing with what I'm use to when working with Gefen and Atlona products, the only small detail I forgot about it is the HDCP 2.2 crap that make things more and more complicated. 52 years, I'm still learning new things every single day     |
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Post by Gary Cook on Jun 28, 2018 23:19:54 GMT -5
Thanks Enrico, filled in the knowledge gaps nicely, much appreciated. My experience with HDMI extenders (not Emotiva) has been that I can have really long (like 50 metres plus) runs between the bases. But if I don't use short, like really short, HDMI cables to and from the extender bases, I have issues. I know in theory at 6' x 2 = 12' it shouldn't, but it does in practise. It's actually worse than a single 12' unamplified HDMI cable as there are 4 connections instead of 2. A good friend of mine installs video conferencing facilities and he was the one who tipped me off about trying the short HDMI connections. In comparison your 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI cable doesn't have any unamplified lengths of HDMI cable before it and after it and it only has 2 connections. I have experience with HDBaseT HDMI Extenders. I work as a technologies manager in a mega church and part of my job is installation and service of all video and audio equipment in campus. Just this week finished installing fiber optic to the projectors (Christie DHD800) in our main worship center. We were running HDBaseT Atlona and Gefen Extenders that are POL and due to EMP we lost very expensive equipment, including two outputs in out Ross Carbonite broadcasting video production switcher. Now, my experience is more with HD (1080i) and no HDCP compliant equipment. The problem with 4K HDBaseT HDMI Extenders is HDCP 2.2 which makes things unreliable. To be honest, when I decided to get the Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender I thought I was dealing with what I'm use to when working with Gefen and Atlona products, the only small detail I forgot about it is the HDCP 2.2 crap that make things more and more complicated. 52 years, I'm still learning new things every single day I hear you, I too still enjoy learning new stuff. I paid my way through University being a roady for a few bands, building and fixing sound and lighting gear, repairing cables etc. A couple of the guys I worked with back then are now riggers on movies and I use them as pit crew for the long distance races, bonus chance to have a chat and drink and talk about the "good old days". Cheers Gary |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 29, 2018 7:32:08 GMT -5
Ok, I'm installing my board this Sunday. Only time available when everyone is out of the house!
I believe the kit came with a stick loaded with 5.0
I will load that, but I have also downloaded 5.1 to a stick. Nothing else on it.
My question is, do I need to also download and flash with 5.1a?
I have an Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K.
Reading some of these threads and posts concerning what does what can get rather confusing.
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Post by melm on Jun 29, 2018 8:00:36 GMT -5
After board is installed with 5.0 load 5.1. Then load 5.1a, which updates only a subset of the firmware... don't skip any steps.. don't have more than one update file on the same thumb drive..
I have an Oppo 203 and ATV. Despite some comments to the contrary, 5.1a cleaned up some issues with the OSD display. Seems like it may be possible to install 5.1 first thing, but I would feel safer doing the sequence above.
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 29, 2018 8:01:55 GMT -5
Are you using a MAC? Mac always screws up the files, I mean saves it in a format not compatible. . Truth be told, the XMC looks for a file system on Fat32. Make sure it is being saved that way. Lonnie Excuse me, my MacMini is very obedient, if I tell it to save in Fat32 format (so last millennium ) it does. Cheers Gary Just having a little fun. I actually use a MAC myself, but have run into the issue where it saves it in some format I can't remember and had to tell it to save as FAT32. Lonnie |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 29, 2018 8:04:57 GMT -5
Ok, I'm installing my board this Sunday. Only time available when everyone is out of the house! I believe the kit came with a stick loaded with 5.0 I will load that, but I have also downloaded 5.1 to a stick. Nothing else on it. My question is, do I need to also download and flash with 5.1a? I have an Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K. Reading some of these threads and posts concerning what does what can get rather confusing. I certainly don’t see any harm in loading 5.1a after installing 5.1. In fact, I believe it cleared up “some” of the incorrect display reporting of the incoming signals on my system. HDR-10 still shows as “2160P/24 8bit YCbCr 4:2:2” which is incorrect based upon what the source device says it’s sending. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 29, 2018 8:13:08 GMT -5
Excuse me, my MacMini is very obedient, if I tell it to save in Fat32 format (so last millennium ) it does. Cheers Gary Just having a little fun. I actually use a MAC myself, but have run into the issue where it saves it in some format I can't remember and had to tell it to save as FAT32. Lonnie That’s probably due to a partition map incompatibility. The Mac likes to use GUID (GPT) and some PCs require MBR which seems to be more compatible with older devices. Easily changed, btw, you just need to manually change it in “Disk Utilities” before you format the drive. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 29, 2018 9:07:23 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, I hope someone can chime in on this because the HDBaseT is what I'll need for my setup, or something like it. I was hoping you'd have a great review to share with us. It does work if bypass the XMC-1. I can get DV from Oppo 203 perfect but from ATV 4K the menu looks washed out. Then as soon it goes into the XMC-1, no DV, HDR works sometimes and the most important thing for me was the 4K HDR Monitor that is only getting 4K/60 HDR 4:2:0, same results as with my current 35' Bluerigger passive HDMI cable ($15) and if I switch to the 50' Monoprice HOSS Active HDMI Cable ($27) I get 4K/60 HDR 4:2:2. So at this point there is no way I can justify $399 if I'm getting the better results with a $27 HDMI cable. What I'm looking for is to get the same resolution, bit depth and chroma subsampling on both, the HDR monitor which is 35' away from the XMC-1 and from the JVC 4K projector which is 6' from the XMC-1 so if I turn ON both displays the XMC-1, Oppo 203 or ATV 4K don't get crazy trying to match chroma and bit depth. I guess I need to make sure to not turn ON both displays. I think I can get away with the HOSS active cable, though. But for now the Emotiva 4K HDMI Extender goes back to TN. According to the specs you should be getting it "Color spaces supported: RGB, YCbCr 4:4:4, YCbCr 4:2:2." but for some reason it's switching to 4:2:2 . |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 29, 2018 11:03:00 GMT -5
I thought it might be useful to post the supported 4K formats of the chip set, in case anyone was wondering. Lonnie Attachments:
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 29, 2018 11:26:31 GMT -5
I thought it might be useful to post the supported 4K formats of the chip set, in case anyone was wondering. Lonnie In that table, when color space shows -, means it support RGB, 4:2:0, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4? Also, what "Other" means in color space? RGB, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4? |
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Post by mr on Jun 29, 2018 11:51:15 GMT -5
Ok, I'm installing my board this Sunday. Only time available when everyone is out of the house! I believe the kit came with a stick loaded with 5.0 I will load that, but I have also downloaded 5.1 to a stick. Nothing else on it. My question is, do I need to also download and flash with 5.1a? I have an Oppo 203 and Apple TV 4K. Reading some of these threads and posts concerning what does what can get rather confusing. Please post how this works out for you. I will be sending my unit back to Franklin for factory install next week, and I will be running a 203 and an ATV 4K as well, along with a Mac Mini (Roon). |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 29, 2018 12:39:09 GMT -5
I thought it might be useful to post the supported 4K formats of the chip set, in case anyone was wondering. Lonnie In that table, when color space shows -, means it support RGB, 4:2:0, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4? Also, what "Other" means in color space? RGB, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4? Looks like it doesn't do 4:4:4 and maxes out at 4:2:0 |
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