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Post by doc1963 on Jun 22, 2018 15:10:24 GMT -5
Have you tried "forcing" HDR from the Oppo's video setting? Here, let me help! 😋  Thought about that one too...  |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 22, 2018 15:25:13 GMT -5
Well... I've spent the better part of the day trying to resolve why I stopped getting HDR support "after" re-flashing the firmware. I've done everything that I can think of doing up to, and including, flashing the firmware for a third time. Nothing has changed. As I stated in an earlier post, I had full support for SDR, HDR and Dolby Vision initially, but could not receive anything but the "core" audio from any title played from any source. Re-flashing the firmware fixed that problem, but broke HDR. The odd thing is that I still get Dolby Vision. Really scratching my head here...Pull the XMC-1 out of the system, everything works as expected. Put the AV7703 back into the system, everything still works as expected. Put the XMC-1 back in the system, no HDR. Looking at both issues, the only thing that makes sense is that this has to be some sort of " botched" EDID information being broadcast by my XMC-1. I'm in no big hurry to put my XMC-1 " back in the closet", but I'm all fresh out of ideas. I've sent a full report back to support and will wait for their suggestions. I had something similar... replaced my 'certified' longer cable with a shorter one and the issue went away. HDMI is such a bag of hurt. When I first hooked the board up I tried switching the HDMI cable to the second output on the XMC-1. Amazingly that brought the HDR back. Then I put it back on the original output and HDR worked again. Then I switched to a shorter cable and the issue went away. Also, be sure your monitor has the input you are using set up for 4K. When I first tried this, I could not get any 4K HDR.. then I remembered that input on my LG was set up for plain old regular HDTV. Each input has to be set up to handle 4K and HDR. My expectation is we will see some firmware updates that address some of this rather quickly. Hang in there.. I think most people have it all working.. it looks like I do now.. but it was rocky at the start. Had similar issues (no HDR) when I put in a Sony Projector in my home theater... but it sorted itself out with settings checks. Let us know how you are doing. Thanks melm... yes sir, tried all of those ideas too. All of the inputs on my C6 already have “HDMI HD Ultra Deep Color” enabled which is why I’m able to receive Dolby Vision. Just no joy for HDR, which makes no sense at all. I gave the HDMI 1 a try too since I cannot get ARC to work on my XMC-1 either. ARC hasn’t worked on my XMC-1 in quite some time, but works flawlessly on my 7703. Since I don’t really need ARC anymore, it’s not a dealbreaker, so I can live with that. No worries though, I can wait it out for a few weeks and see what happens. It’s not like I don’t have a backup...  |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 22, 2018 15:31:08 GMT -5
Well... I've spent the better part of the day trying to resolve why I stopped getting HDR support "after" re-flashing the firmware. I've done everything that I can think of doing up to, and including, flashing the firmware for a third time. Nothing has changed. As I stated in an earlier post, I had full support for SDR, HDR and Dolby Vision initially, but could not receive anything but the "core" audio from any title played from any source. Re-flashing the firmware fixed that problem, but broke HDR. The odd thing is that I still get Dolby Vision. Really scratching my head here...Pull the XMC-1 out of the system, everything works as expected. Put the AV7703 back into the system, everything still works as expected. Put the XMC-1 back in the system, no HDR. Looking at both issues, the only thing that makes sense is that this has to be some sort of " botched" EDID information being broadcast by my XMC-1. I'm in no big hurry to put my XMC-1 " back in the closet", but I'm all fresh out of ideas. I've sent a full report back to support and will wait for their suggestions. Do you have a way to check what your TV is getting? Is it 8 bit RGB like I'm seeing? |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 22, 2018 15:32:57 GMT -5
So any active cable without a power source is non-compliant with HDMI? Why do they make power available? There are quite a few active cables (like the Monoprice Enrico mentions) that have been around for years and I’ve never heard that they were doing something outside of protocol. I’ve been using several of the older Redmere active cables with the XMC V1 board and they’ve worked well. I was planning on replacing them for the V3 board with something ‘Premium’, but this is the first I’ve heard that I shouldn’t get an active cable (I wouldn’t consider anything with a PS, nor have I seen one). With “La Credenza” I won’t need anything long, but I like the thin cables as they reduce connector stress and are easy to route, I’m just trying to understand this, it’s a bit of a surprise. Just a heads up here. Should you be using an active HDMI cable and if you run into any problems, you can get a HDMI 5V Injector from a number of companies that will power the cable from the USB out on the processor. Just and FYI Lonnie This is a side-track from the v3 discussion, but your post got me to look at these and led me to a question. I have an XMC-1 with the original HDMI board (the 1.4, IIRC), and one of my HDMI inputs to the XMC-1 is a PC. If I switch inputs from the PC to another source that uses an HDMI input and leave the PC on - when I switch back to the PC, the XMC-1 does not show the PC's video. If I switch the PC into standby and then back onto full power (which I can do from my wireless keyboard), the PC video returns. Someone said that was because the PC stops sending a signal to the XMC-1 if the XMC-1 is not looking to the HDMI input from the PC. I was wondering...if I used one of the 5v injectors between the PC and the XMC-1, would that always ensure that the XMC-1 is "seeing" a current from the PC so it always assumes it's an active connection (and therefore avoid the need to cycle the PC into and out of standby mode)? Thanks and sorry for the side-track! And, by the way - congratulations on getting the V3 board done and out there! Mark |
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 22, 2018 15:35:19 GMT -5
So any active cable without a power source is non-compliant with HDMI? Why do they make power available? There are quite a few active cables (like the Monoprice Enrico mentions) that have been around for years and I’ve never heard that they were doing something outside of protocol. I’ve been using several of the older Redmere active cables with the XMC V1 board and they’ve worked well. I was planning on replacing them for the V3 board with something ‘Premium’, but this is the first I’ve heard that I shouldn’t get an active cable (I wouldn’t consider anything with a PS, nor have I seen one). With “La Credenza” I won’t need anything long, but I like the thin cables as they reduce connector stress and are easy to route, I’m just trying to understand this, it’s a bit of a surprise. The reason there is power on the connector is to keep the receiving chip powered even if the unit is turned off. HDCP requires a ping every few u seconds even if the unit is off. So the processor is has to supply enough power to run the RX chip. This is a very low requirement of power so it by itself is not a problem. Supplying power power to run an amplifier was never in the provision but most are efficient enough to operate without issues. We do have a few cables here that draw so much juice that they actually suck the board dry and our HDMI board basically stops working. According to the spec, inline amplifiers are perfectly fine as long as the power for it is externally supplied. On a personal note here, I happen to like using HDBaseT. It converts everything and sends it over Cat 6 or Cat 7 up to 100 meters and being POE, means the receiver doesn't need to have power connected. For me, running Cat is far easier then running a crazy big HDMI cable. But that is just me. Lonnie Lonnie, Is there a way to mount the HDBaseT to a ceiling, or I wonder how it would survive being in an attic? I'm trying to figure out how to run it to my projector that is mounting on my ceiling. |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jun 22, 2018 15:35:50 GMT -5
Most cable manufacturers I have had conversations with about 4K HDMI is that you will want to use a passive cable and then some sort of external device for power over longer distances. This is for traditional copper cables. The fiber cables that are actually a hybrid can run longer without additional devices. These get to be pretty expensive cables at longer lengths. Lonnie's comment below about HDBaseT is something to consider as Cat5/6 is less expensive and easier to run. The baluns that are needed can get expensive depending on what you get. Pay attention to the specs as they should be rated for a certain distance at a specified data capability. Thanks for the passive cable info, purists have always seemed to like them better, and I understand the ‘fewer moving parts’ concept. I’ve been looking at thinline Monoprice ‘premium’ cables to hookup my 4K gear, I just looked to see if they’re active or passive. No mention of active, and one answer alludes to their 8’ length limit being because they are passive. With my new setup 8’ will work fine, I no longer need any distance, but if it comes up I’ll go HDBaseT. www.monoprice.com/product?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024021&p_id=24187&seq=1&format=2At 8FT I don't think you should have any issue. The longest passive traditional copper cable that I have seen is for 7M. There may be others out there, but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head. For fiber type cables I know of a 20M passive cable. I have seen active up to 40M. |
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 22, 2018 15:40:28 GMT -5
Well... I've spent the better part of the day trying to resolve why I stopped getting HDR support "after" re-flashing the firmware. I've done everything that I can think of doing up to, and including, flashing the firmware for a third time. Nothing has changed. As I stated in an earlier post, I had full support for SDR, HDR and Dolby Vision initially, but could not receive anything but the "core" audio from any title played from any source. Re-flashing the firmware fixed that problem, but broke HDR. The odd thing is that I still get Dolby Vision. Really scratching my head here...Pull the XMC-1 out of the system, everything works as expected. Put the AV7703 back into the system, everything still works as expected. Put the XMC-1 back in the system, no HDR. Looking at both issues, the only thing that makes sense is that this has to be some sort of " botched" EDID information being broadcast by my XMC-1. I'm in no big hurry to put my XMC-1 " back in the closet", but I'm all fresh out of ideas. I've sent a full report back to support and will wait for their suggestions. Do you have a way to check what your TV is getting? Is it 8 bit RGB like I'm seeing? The TV itself doesn’t get that granular, but I will check the XMC-1’s information to see exactly what it says it’s receiving from the source. Theoretically, the XMC-1 will send exactly what it receives, but it seems as though it’s asking for something that it shouldn’t be. |
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Post by melm on Jun 22, 2018 15:54:03 GMT -5
Do you have a way to check what your TV is getting? Is it 8 bit RGB like I'm seeing? The TV itself doesn’t get that granular, but I will check the XMC-1’s information to see exactly what it says it’s receiving from the source. Theoretically, the XMC-1 will send exactly what it receives, but it seems as though it’s asking for something that it shouldn’t be. Actually your LG does have a way to report what it is getting. Using the remote bring up the red cursor and click in the upper left corner of the display... it will tell you what resolution you are getting and if HDR is detected and running. We have the same TV so I'm sure that will work. |
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Post by sconnors11 on Jun 22, 2018 16:10:11 GMT -5
Doc1963,
Try forcing the HDMI connection to renegotiate by unplugging and then replugging the HDMI cord in while playing content.
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 22, 2018 16:12:14 GMT -5
The TV itself doesn’t get that granular, but I will check the XMC-1’s information to see exactly what it says it’s receiving from the source. Theoretically, the XMC-1 will send exactly what it receives, but it seems as though it’s asking for something that it shouldn’t be. Actually your LG does have a way to report what it is getting. Using the remote bring up the red cursor and click in the upper left corner of the display... it will tell you what resolution you are getting and if HDR is detected and running. We have the same TV so I'm sure that will work. Yes, it does show that sort of minimal information, but that’s not granular enough to provide the information he’s seeking. The XMC-1 will show the resolution, frame rate, bit depth, color timing and color space. Our LG’s don’t provide that much detail. |
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Post by jlafrenz on Jun 22, 2018 16:13:32 GMT -5
The reason there is power on the connector is to keep the receiving chip powered even if the unit is turned off. HDCP requires a ping every few u seconds even if the unit is off. So the processor is has to supply enough power to run the RX chip. This is a very low requirement of power so it by itself is not a problem. Supplying power power to run an amplifier was never in the provision but most are efficient enough to operate without issues. We do have a few cables here that draw so much juice that they actually suck the board dry and our HDMI board basically stops working. According to the spec, inline amplifiers are perfectly fine as long as the power for it is externally supplied. On a personal note here, I happen to like using HDBaseT. It converts everything and sends it over Cat 6 or Cat 7 up to 100 meters and being POE, means the receiver doesn't need to have power connected. For me, running Cat is far easier then running a crazy big HDMI cable. But that is just me. Lonnie Lonnie, Is there a way to mount the HDBaseT to a ceiling, or I wonder how it would survive being in an attic? I'm trying to figure out how to run it to my projector that is mounting on my ceiling. HDBaseT is a technology that is built into equipment so as long as that piece of equipment can be ceiling mounted then yes. Typically you will see HDBaseT in Baluns or HDMI Extenders. They are connected to each other by a Cat5/6 cable. Many are the size of a deck of cards or a bit larger. Here is a link to the Emotiva ones. emotiva.com/collections/accessories/products/hdmi-hdbaset-signal-extenderThere is some equipment that has it built into it such as AVR's, Projectors and video matrix switchers. You would still need a transmitter or receiver at the other end of the piece of equipment. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Jun 22, 2018 16:22:19 GMT -5
I just completed the installation. Directions were great. Patience was key to make sure I followed every step completely.
Just started playing with 4K HDR - noticed that my Roku Ultra doesn't think the device is connected to supports HDR. I did a "force" connect with HDR, and it worked, but I'm only seeing one thing in HDR (there are many more).
I'm going to try swapping for brand new cables, although the Roku and my LG B6 talked to each other perfectly. Might be the HDMI out from the XMC-1 - I think it's HDR capable, but I'll pick up a new one just to be certain.
Oh yeah- where is the OSD display selection. I've always showed "Bitstream", but it looks like the ability to modify from the default "info" is missing.
PS - I flashed v5 twice.
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Post by bootman on Jun 22, 2018 16:41:26 GMT -5
XMC-1_HDMIv3_Installation.zip (2.94 MB) Attached is the installation instructions for those that want to read through before purchasing. I just finished installing the board and I also thought I had bricked the unit. 1) I set it into low power mode and backed up my settings. 2) I rebooted to make sure I was still in low power mode. 3) I went through the first flash and right before the unit shut itself off I saw a FP Error: Invalid App flash on the unit. 4) I replaced the board and powered it up......then nothing! The unit appears to be bricked with no front display or any activity from the front panel or remote after I waited a few minutes to let it come back. After a few power cycles I saw the FP Error: Invalid app again so I called tech support. Well since its the weekend I can't get to speak to anyone until Monday. (not a real big deal since I was doing the upgrade on a bench and I have a Yamaha AVR in my system at the moment) Before I was going to call it a night I decided to power cycle a few times. Each time it did I saw it acted a bit different with the power light. Maybe this is a good sign! The remote still didn't work but I was pressing the front panel buttons and got the button test to come up. (this was a very good sign and don't ask how you can do this I can't rembember the sequence) I power cycled a few more times (waiting a few minutes between each one) and finally the unit booted up normally. I reflashed the unit and noticed that this time it updated the HDMI board. Now using a Apple TV 4K I verified 4KHDR/60@4.2.2 and Dolby Vision @ 1080p (that is an apple thing) on a LG OLED C6. I don't have a 4K bluray that can do 4K DV so I can't check that. Now to rip apart my HT and install this back in this weekend. ...then I called Emotiva back to leave them a message that I was back up and running. The actual board install was pretty easy. I am curious now as to what the extra connectors are for on the board. I now need a drink. lol
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 22, 2018 17:28:31 GMT -5
I'm finally getting HDR YCbCr 4:2:2 from Oppo 203 and ATV 4K after Lonnie sent me an email with V5.1 Beta. DV still glitchy with ATV 4K. I ran my 50' Monoprice HOSS active HDMI cable to my bedroom to check everything and the ATV 4K detect that my X930E has DV but when I switch from HDR to DV, colors look washed out and the XMC-1 reports SDR, same as the X930E. Still trying things. I'll report later if I find other improvements. Thanks to Lonnie and Emotiva team for all your hard work on this. Kinda amazing getting a firmware upgrade basically 24 hours after installing the new board!! We are getting closer to having a rock solid HDMI board.    |
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Post by bluescale on Jun 22, 2018 18:03:35 GMT -5
I called Emotiva a couple hours ago to report my RGB/8 bit issue. I was surprised to be transferred to Lonnie. Lonnie took down my issue description including all the source and display equipment I'd tried, and is going to call me back on Monday after digging in to the issue a bit. Lonnie was ever the gentleman, even expressing concern about my ability to use my theater over the weekend. Fortunately, I'll just bypass the XMC-1 for video as I've been doing, and wait patiently. Fingers crossed, we'll have this sorted out in short order.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Jun 22, 2018 18:11:12 GMT -5
I called Emotiva a couple hours ago to report my RGB/8 bit issue. I was surprised to be transferred to Lonnie. Lonnie took down my issue description including all the source and display equipment I'd tried, and is going to call me back on Monday after digging in to the issue a bit. Lonnie was ever the gentleman, even expressing concern about my ability to use my theater over the weekend. Fortunately, I'll just bypass the XMC-1 for video as I've been doing, and wait patiently. Fingers crossed, we'll have this sorted out in short order. If you see the pictures I posted yesterday, I was getting RGB/8bits from Oppo 203. After flashing the unit with V5.1 Beta, I'm now getting 2160/24Hz 8bits - YCbCr 4:2:2 HDR from Oppo 203. I have the Oppo 203 on AUTO for everything so it's matching the source which is the UHD disc. Not sure if I can force the 203 to sent more than 8bits and 4:2:2 with the 50' cable I'm running right now. I may need to order the HDBaseT from Emotiva and use the $50 Emobucks I got with the V3 Kit  Still $350 out of my pocket, ouch!!! |
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Post by multicore on Jun 22, 2018 18:17:51 GMT -5
I installed my board today after reading this entire thread. Thanks to all that posted since I am sure it saved me a lot of heartburn.
I still had a glitch that I cannot explain.
First thing I did was set the low power mode and then saved my settings. I then doubled check that I was in low power mode.
I then installed the 5.0 FW and watched as my XMC-1 shut down, and rebooted to give the "err: init HDSB82" error message.
I shut it down by throwing the power switch in the back and proceeded to install the new board w/o a hitch.
Before connecting anything back and while it was still sitting on the bench, I powered it up with out a problem.
I then loaded the 5.0 FW again, and again after reboot it powered on (this time w/o an error).
I checked the menu and sure enough it is in video standby.
I then loaded the settings from my back-up drive and the menu now shows low power.
I have no idea how the XMC set itself back to video standby during the initial F\W load.
Reconnected all legacy equipment and everything is working as expected.
Now onto installing my UDP-203 so I can test 4K and HDR.
Thanks again to all that paved the way.
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 22, 2018 18:34:01 GMT -5
Lonnie, Is there a way to mount the HDBaseT to a ceiling, or I wonder how it would survive being in an attic? I'm trying to figure out how to run it to my projector that is mounting on my ceiling. HDBaseT is a technology that is built into equipment so as long as that piece of equipment can be ceiling mounted then yes. Typically you will see HDBaseT in Baluns or HDMI Extenders. They are connected to each other by a Cat5/6 cable. Many are the size of a deck of cards or a bit larger. Here is a link to the Emotiva ones. emotiva.com/collections/accessories/products/hdmi-hdbaset-signal-extenderThere is some equipment that has it built into it such as AVR's, Projectors and video matrix switchers. You would still need a transmitter or receiver at the other end of the piece of equipment. I should have been clearer, I was specifically referring to the Emotiva model. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jun 22, 2018 18:41:25 GMT -5
I still had a glitch that I cannot explain. First thing I did was set the low power mode and then saved my settings. I then doubled check that I was in low power mode. I then installed the 5.0 FW and watched as my XMC-1 shut down, and rebooted to give the "err: init HDSB82" error message. I shut it down by throwing the power switch in the back and proceeded to install the new board w/o a hitch. You got the error because you rebooted after installing the v5.0 firmware with the V1 HDMI 1.4b board still hooked up. You should have turned off the "Rocker Switch" on the back side of the XMC-1 when the front power button turned amber. Then removed the old HDMI board, replaced it with the new V3 board, and then turned the "Rocker Switch" back on, and when the front power button lit back up amber, turn it on. Turning it on at the point you did, the new firmware was expecting the new hardware, ie: V3 board, to be installed and when it wasn't it gave you the error because the old V1 board was still installed and couldn't load it. |
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Still $350 out of my pocket, ouch!!! 
