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Post by Bonzo on Aug 27, 2018 13:01:34 GMT -5
Not to mention, they stole it from Randy California/ Spirt! 😜🙈🙉🙊😇 Nah, they won against that in court. And there are several other places they could have gotten it, and Spirit themselves could have gotten it from. See my post here. emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/813742/thread |
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Post by pedrocols on Aug 27, 2018 13:07:43 GMT -5
So you spend hundreds of dollars in speaker wires? When you get a chance open up your amp and your speaker and your preamp and you be supprised what cheap wire is in there. Look up Magico speakers and you will see they use the same speaker wire in their crazy expensive speaker than I use in my modest priced speaker. Expensive speaker wire is bologna and if you hear a difference good for you so keep fooling yourself into believing you can hear a difference.
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 27, 2018 13:48:23 GMT -5
The problem with this is that there is no such thing as listening 👂 to WIRES! Bill Try listening to recorded music without them... |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 27, 2018 15:20:49 GMT -5
So you spend hundreds of dollars in speaker wires? When you get a chance open up your amp and your speaker and your preamp and you be supprised what cheap wire is in there. Look up Magico speakers and you will see they use the same speaker wire in their crazy expensive speaker than I use in my modest priced speaker. Expensive speaker wire is bologna and if you hear a difference good for you so keep fooling yourself into believing you can hear a difference. Exactly right! Those folks who are convinced by the industry of snakes that there MUST be a difference....invariably WILL here a difference...…...especially if their wallet has been significantly lightened by the whole thing. Some guys become so deluded by this that they have not stopped to think about reevaluating their speakers of choice and maybe, selling them off and putting the wire money in as a down payment for loudspeakers that are better suited to what really matters.....the listening room itself. Bill |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 27, 2018 15:25:52 GMT -5
The problem with this is that there is no such thing as listening 👂 to WIRES! Bill Try listening to recorded music without them... Every day.....My Anker stereo wireless Bluetooth speaker with subwoofer built in! Not a bad noisemaker for the kitchen and the patio, actually. Work being the way it is of late, it's getting more play time than the big rig. Bill |
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Post by Cogito on Aug 27, 2018 16:33:16 GMT -5
While researching speaker wire, I came across, and am confused by, this from a company called Knukonceptz: "... tin contributes to a better sound quality by minimizing the skin-effect (lowering the current jumps between the wire surfaces). " Can anyone explain "skin-effect" and/or "current jumps" to me, an admitted non-audiophile, please? 🙉😕 Great cables. All I use (Krystal RCA cables and 10ga Kord speaker cables). NOT because they sound better, but because they are made very well, attractive (To me) and VERY inexpensive for what you get. Over the years, I've been able to compare interconnects that cost several hundred dollars (No thousands per meter stuff) and cheapo Monoprice and similar products. The only differences I found? They expensive cables were better built and more attractive, but they didn't sound any different to me. While I'm willing to pay for better quality, the difference in price simply could not be justified in my mind. I think your money is much better spent on room treatments and/or better speakers. |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 27, 2018 16:53:16 GMT -5
I love Wargames! One of those flicks I pop in when I want to kick back to a simpler time. Bill |
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Post by DavidR on Aug 27, 2018 18:21:04 GMT -5
So you spend hundreds of dollars in speaker wires? When you get a chance open up your amp and your speaker and your preamp and you be supprised what cheap wire is in there. Look up Magico speakers and you will see they use the same speaker wire in their crazy expensive speaker than I use in my modest priced speaker. Expensive speaker wire is bologna and if you hear a difference good for you so keep fooling yourself into believing you can hear a difference. Crazy heavy wire is not needed. I spend a lot of time on the Classic Speaker Pages which is frequented by former AR, KLH, Advent, BA, Bose engineers. The AR engineers would actually calculate the resistance of the wire into their crossover models. They used 22AWG tinned copper wire - even in the high end models. They will tell you it's all that was needed. Some even use lamp cord for speaker wire. They claim anything else is simply overkill. |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 27, 2018 19:31:24 GMT -5
So you spend hundreds of dollars in speaker wires? When you get a chance open up your amp and your speaker and your preamp and you be supprised what cheap wire is in there. Look up Magico speakers and you will see they use the same speaker wire in their crazy expensive speaker than I use in my modest priced speaker. Expensive speaker wire is bologna and if you hear a difference good for you so keep fooling yourself into believing you can hear a difference. Crazy heavy wire is not needed. I spend a lot of time on the Classic Speaker Pages which is frequented by former AR, KLH, Advent, BA, Bose engineers. The AR engineers would actually calculate the resistance of the wire into their crossover models. They used 22AWG tinned copper wire - even in the high end models. They will tell you it's all that was needed. Some even use lamp cord for speaker wire. They claim anything else is simply overkill. Shows you how much they know!  |
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Post by DavidR on Aug 27, 2018 19:36:00 GMT -5
Crazy heavy wire is not needed. I spend a lot of time on the Classic Speaker Pages which is frequented by former AR, KLH, Advent, BA, Bose engineers. The AR engineers would actually calculate the resistance of the wire into their crossover models. They used 22AWG tinned copper wire - even in the high end models. They will tell you it's all that was needed. Some even use lamp cord for speaker wire. They claim anything else is simply overkill. Shows you how much they know! Or maybe they're just cheap.  |
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Post by monkumonku on Aug 27, 2018 19:37:36 GMT -5
Shows you how much they know! Or maybe they're just cheap. Probably working on slim budgets. So slim that they had to resort to actual principles of physics. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Aug 27, 2018 21:29:46 GMT -5
Were I using Apogee Duettas with their impedance dip of less than an ohm in the middle of the bass range, then heavy wires (for high current) might be justified. So there's an exception to every rule. But the audio amigo with the best sounding system I've heard uses 16 ga. speaker wire for everything.
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Post by rbk123 on Aug 28, 2018 8:27:34 GMT -5
Over the years, I've been able to compare interconnects that cost several hundred dollars (No thousands per meter stuff) and cheapo Monoprice and similar products. The only differences I found? They expensive cables were better built and more attractive, but they didn't sound any different to me. While I'm willing to pay for better quality, the difference in price simply could not be justified in my mind. I think your money is much better spent on room treatments and/or better speakers. This. You can get good speaker wire in the tens of dollars range; after that put your money elsewhere just like Cogito and most are recommending here. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Aug 28, 2018 8:32:45 GMT -5
WTF..MORE interesting than discussing the 100th rendition of STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN! 3 things. 1. We have never had that discussion here so not sure how that would go. 2. I believe that conversation could easily be more interesting because A. At least it has not been previously discussed on this forum 500+ times already to little or no avail, and B. There actually could be something relevant to a new rendition (not remaster) like for example having some guest artist on it or something. There is nothing new about wires. 3. Stairway to Heaven is one of my least favorite Zep songs. It is certainly highly overrated, and any true Zep fan will tell you it is absolutely not their best song. Of course. Chalk that up to late night phone typing. Um, no, just had a bad weekend and tired and amazed that this worn out wire discussion is going on again. I should have just kept my mouth shut. My mood got the better of me, but it’s not anger issues. Sorry if you can’t handle the F word without taking offense, but I use it quite frequently on a daily basis. Not that it matters here, but found out Saturday that my nephew, who is one of my best friends, ......well his really good friend’s 22 year old son committed suicide Friday. Kid just finished boot camp for the Coast Guard and was really pumped up and excited about it. A complete shock to everyone with zero warning. Horrible. And then last night while watering flowers I saw my wife’s car had a flat. Have had the tire in the shop for slow leaks twice now in the same amount of months. Tried to pump it up but could hear the air just going out the other side, which meant the bead seal was gone. Was now dark outside so decided to call AAA since we get free tows. After 2 hours of waiting watching out the window, no tow truck had come so we called again only to have them tell us the order had been placed and then canceled, with no answer as to why or how the cancelation got entered. Very frustrating. So we had to postpone it until tonight. Not happy with AAA or my shop. Ok Bonzo..got it... I hear your frustration. Not affected by the "F" word. Sorry for the loss of your nephews friends son. I hope I got that right. Sounds like I posted on the wrong day...😂😂😂 However the article was meant to be informative and people have choices to read it or not. Hope this week is better for you and your family. |
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Post by 405x5 on Aug 28, 2018 9:18:50 GMT -5
Hey guys I thought this was an interesting read. Warning it is long but informative especially if you are considering purchasing HI-END speaker cables. The lore is out there for esoteric cables and some pontificate reasons of ownership. I myself like looking at a nice well made attractive cable in my system but not at an expense of thousands of dollars but of course the word "relative" is in our vocabulary and therefore money is no object to some people and there is NOTHING wrong with that if you are so fortunate. Dilly -Dilly. Myself I like to do things in moderation and I now think more than ever of the value in return for my $$ then any time before in my life. A smarter consumer attitude in my opinion. Looking forward to hearing return thoughts on this article. www.soundandvision.com/content/speaker-cables-can-you-hear-differenceFor those of you with no technical knowledge regarding electrical engineering; good all you need to know in less than 15 minutes link above.... Bill |
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Post by DYohn on Aug 28, 2018 9:35:56 GMT -5
Were I using Apogee Duettas with their impedance dip of less than an ohm in the middle of the bass range, then heavy wires (for high current) might be justified. So there's an exception to every rule. But the audio amigo with the best sounding system I've heard uses 16 ga. speaker wire for everything. I refer you to a handy guide on my forum, which is for car audio but the math is the same no matter where the installation happens to be. Oh, and realize those power cable data are based on car audio 12V systems. www.the12volt.com/wiring/recommended-car-stereo-wire-sizes.asp |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 28, 2018 12:23:53 GMT -5
Ok Bonzo..got it... I hear your frustration. Unfortunately my mood wasn't right. I should have just kept my mouth shut. My bad. Excellent.  Yes, kind of convoluted saying it out loud but they are very close. Actually this thread has lead to a few posts with links that have been informative for me, so hey, your thread is better than almost all the other wire ones already.  Thank you. |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 28, 2018 12:40:44 GMT -5
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Post by Cogito on Aug 28, 2018 20:17:17 GMT -5
Hey guys I thought this was an interesting read. Warning it is long but informative especially if you are considering purchasing HI-END speaker cables. The lore is out there for esoteric cables and some pontificate reasons of ownership. I myself like looking at a nice well made attractive cable in my system but not at an expense of thousands of dollars but of course the word "relative" is in our vocabulary and therefore money is no object to some people and there is NOTHING wrong with that if you are so fortunate. Dilly -Dilly. Myself I like to do things in moderation and I now think more than ever of the value in return for my $$ then any time before in my life. A smarter consumer attitude in my opinion. Looking forward to hearing return thoughts on this article. www.soundandvision.com/content/speaker-cables-can-you-hear-differenceFor those of you with no technical knowledge regarding electrical engineering; good all you need to know in less than 15 minutes link above.... Bill I simply can't stand listening to that Hugo guy with his goofy fake laugh. |
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Post by Bonzo on Aug 28, 2018 20:35:56 GMT -5
youtu.be/lG-3KyURXqkFor those of you with no technical knowledge regarding electrical engineering; good all you need to know in less than 15 minutes link above.... Bill I simply can't stand listening to that Hugo guy with his goofy fake laugh. One of the written responses listed below the video about turning into the Hulk had me laughing out loud. Sorry, but I'm just being honest. |
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