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Post by garbulky on Sept 10, 2018 14:53:23 GMT -5
Hhmmm, I thought the XMC-2 was only supposed to be Fully Balanced on the front three channels ... Regardless, what we really need is a comparison chart from Emotiva ... Casey In case anybody missed this.... Hi kids, Lets keep it simple.. XMC-1 even with all of its upgrades is a Gen 2 product. We have no intention of discontinuing it as long as there is demand for it. Not everyone cares about Atmos and DTS-X!! The upcoming XMC-2 G3 will have 7.2.4 capability wth all outputs balanced. There will be other small additions too, but basically it's the same as the XMC-1 with a new main audio board. "Differential Reference" circuitry on the 3 main front channels! Upgraded DACs and DA conversion, etc, etc. The RMC-1 G3 is the flagship AVP. 9.3.4 with all channels fully balanced. This unit has our "Differential Reference" audio path on all 16 channels! It uses the latest AKM 32 bit 768k AD's and DAC's. It's a monster. Everything is no holds barred. This is going to be the one to beat at ANY price. There you go! Peace out, Big Dan Also OK, OK... Let me make this clear... The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available. OK? Cheers, Big Dan From what I gather : XMC-2 gen 3 will have all XLR (no using an RCA for atmos) and the front three channels are balanced. |
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Post by richb on Sept 10, 2018 15:14:09 GMT -5
Hhmmm, I thought the XMC-2 was only supposed to be Fully Balanced on the front three channels ... Regardless, what we really need is a comparison chart from Emotiva ... Casey That would help. The RMC-2 is reference so I assume fully balanced on all channels. - Rich |
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Post by jagman on Sept 10, 2018 16:04:46 GMT -5
Did Emotiva say if end users will be able to install the expansion modules? If we cannot do that having to ship the RMC-1 back to TN would neuter sales to this crowd until the new year assuming they meet the Jan 1 target. Great question. I sure hope I can install an expansion module myself. Otherwise I wait and at this rate it may roll to late 2019 for the module releases... The easiest thing to do is wait until 2019 to order, that way you get the expansion modules installed by them... and if you happen to have a 25% or 40% off card the expansion modules are included in the discount 👍🤔. That last part might be wishful thinking, but I wouldn't be surprised if the expansion modules are delayed for that reason... most of us won't want to wait another 2 months to use our cards so the expansion modules will be purchased at full price. |
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Post by doc1963 on Sept 10, 2018 17:07:46 GMT -5
I’m just happy to see all of those little damned halo lights gone. Over the years, I’ve done everything possible to make my HT “dark” while Emotiva did everything they could to make it “blue”...  |
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Post by Lsc on Sept 10, 2018 17:23:46 GMT -5
... No question it looks much better than the XMC-2. It really looks like Emotiva’s XMC-2 is the existing XMC-1 with a slightly different display with the Atmos upgrade. Also a slight change in the back with the extra XLR outputs. My hunch is that it’s not using the new architecture...they saved that for the RMC-2 and RMC-1. If what I think is true it’s a no brainer on what I’m getting. Still I’m not considering the RMC-1 bc it’s too expensive and I don’t care about all channels balanced - the Front 3 is sufficient for me as those are my best speakers. ... Well I must have no brain because I'm not sure which you've chosen. From your comments I'd say the RMC-2, but it is fully balanced on all channels like the RMC-1, the XMC-2 is LCR balanced. So ... what's it gonna be boy? X or R? Lol! Yes I was a little scattered there. The RMC-2 is the no brainer given the feature set at its price. I’m thinking the XMC-2 will not be fully balanced across the front 3, just LR while the RMC-2 will be LCR balanced. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Sept 10, 2018 17:40:51 GMT -5
Well I must have no brain because I'm not sure which you've chosen. From your comments I'd say the RMC-2, but it is fully balanced on all channels like the RMC-1, the XMC-2 is LCR balanced. So ... what's it gonna be boy? X or R? Lol! Yes I was a little scattered there. The RMC-2 is the no brainer given the feature set at its price. I’m thinking the XMC-2 will not be fully balanced across the front 3, just LR while the RMC-2 will be LCR balanced. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that the RMC-2 will be fully balanced on all channels, where the XMC-2 will be balanced across the front/center/right. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 10, 2018 18:47:33 GMT -5
Lol! Yes I was a little scattered there. The RMC-2 is the no brainer given the feature set at its price. I’m thinking the XMC-2 will not be fully balanced across the front 3, just LR while the RMC-2 will be LCR balanced. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that the RMC-2 will be fully balanced on all channels, where the XMC-2 will be balanced across the front/center/right. Exactly, RMC-x fully balanced all channels. XMC-2 fully balanced LCR. And let’s not confuse the fact that they all only have XLR Outputs with fully balanced channels. Ok, brains again! |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 10, 2018 18:50:55 GMT -5
Lol! Yes I was a little scattered there. The RMC-2 is the no brainer given the feature set at its price. I’m thinking the XMC-2 will not be fully balanced across the front 3, just LR while the RMC-2 will be LCR balanced. I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that the RMC-2 will be fully balanced on all channels, where the XMC-2 will be balanced across the front/center/right. Not wrong. Of course we have no literature yet on the RMC-2 (dumb name, hence RMC-1L), but that's certainly what's implied. Its basically what the original RMC-1 was going to be, before we complained and got more out of the RMC-1. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 10, 2018 18:57:20 GMT -5
The RMC-2 is the no brainer given the feature set at its price. +1. Totally agree. RMC-1L. 😉 And mine would be the RMC-1LS. 😀 Although rumor has it Dan is all for calling the silver knob edition "The Bonz." Eeeeeeeeeeeehhh! 😎 Too bad heat is bad, otherwise I might consider having a custom black leather jacket made to go over the top. 🤣 |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 10, 2018 18:59:45 GMT -5
I don't know Bonzo ... I think you should take this as an opportunity to Get Your Craft on ... I think you could make up some very cool knobs with leather and chrome studs. That would be a Statement Look ... Casey |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 10, 2018 19:04:29 GMT -5
I just talked to Big Dan. The silver knob edition will forever be known as "The Bonz..." - and a nod to you and also Fonzie, for whom Dan holds great admiration. Mark The Silver Knob Edition seems to be more an Onkyo thing, Nah, they either paint theirs silver or worse yet its just silver plastic, so its not all that great. I want the brushed aluminum like on the Gen 1 XSP-1. Real milled metal. 😂🤣🙃🤗 |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 10, 2018 19:06:56 GMT -5
I don't know Bonzo ... I think you should take this as an opportunity to Get Your Craft on ... I think you could make up some very cool knobs with leather and chrome studs. That would be a Statement Look ... Casey Who do you think I am, a member of the Village People? 😁 |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 10, 2018 19:09:10 GMT -5
Well I must have no brain because I'm not sure which you've chosen. From your comments I'd say the RMC-2, but it is fully balanced on all channels like the RMC-1, the XMC-2 is LCR balanced. So ... what's it gonna be boy? X or R? I believe the XMC-2 is supposed to be fully balanced on all channels. No, only the front 3. Original XMC-1 is the main 2 channels. The XMC-2 takes it one more. |
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Post by Lsc on Sept 10, 2018 21:27:13 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that the RMC-2 will be fully balanced on all channels, where the XMC-2 will be balanced across the front/center/right. Exactly, RMC-x fully balanced all channels. XMC-2 fully balanced LCR. And let’s not confuse the fact that they all only have XLR Outputs with fully balanced channels. Ok, brains again! Here is what I’m thinking: XMC-1 gen3 was supposed to be fully balanced LCR and was priced at $3499 - 13 channels - this is the baseline. RMC-2 is $300 more and has 3 more channels than the XMc-2..this accounts for the slight increase in cost. To think that Emotiva will then throw in all channels fully balanced...not sure. XMC-2 is $500 less so I would think that they would take away the LCR being fully balanced and keep it LR fully balanced. I could be wrong and Emotiva will give us the RMC-2 with all channels fully balanced- well I’ll take it! 😂. But I doubt it. I could be wrong. |
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Post by garbulky on Sept 10, 2018 23:28:38 GMT -5
In this video (40 seconds) Dan talked about the RMC-1 doing HDMI 2.0a with Dolby Vision. I was under the impression this is HDMI 2.0b ?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 10, 2018 23:44:56 GMT -5
Exactly, RMC-x fully balanced all channels. XMC-2 fully balanced LCR. And let’s not confuse the fact that they all only have XLR Outputs with fully balanced channels. Ok, brains again! Here is what I’m thinking: XMC-1 gen3 was supposed to be fully balanced LCR and was priced at $3499 - 13 channels - this is the baseline. RMC-2 is $300 more and has 3 more channels than the XMc-2..this accounts for the slight increase in cost. To think that Emotiva will then throw in all channels fully balanced...not sure. XMC-2 is $500 less so I would think that they would take away the LCR being fully balanced and keep it LR fully balanced. I could be wrong and Emotiva will give us the RMC-2 with all channels fully balanced- well I’ll take it! 😂. But I doubt it. I could be wrong. I think most of those things are spelled out earlier in the thread. |
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Post by cwt on Sept 11, 2018 0:19:38 GMT -5
I believe the XMC-2 is supposed to be fully balanced on all channels. No, only the front 3. Original XMC-1 is the main 2 channels. The XMC-2 takes it one more. This is where the difference between input to output dual differential usually tends to get muddied up Bonzo . Garbulky was talking about the single ended circuitry being converted to balanced ; I took it the way you said too initially  Its logical the RMC2 is fully balanced input to output like the RMC1 as it wouldn't make a lot of sense to design a separate reference pre pro that had single ended circuitry . And the whole ethos of EMO is variants released in quick succession as Dan has hinted at and we see now . Whats the alternative ? Only balanced L/C/R like the cheaper XMC2 ? Ive almost convinced myself but not quite |
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Post by cwt on Sept 11, 2018 0:38:02 GMT -5
In this video (40 seconds) Dan talked about the RMC-1 doing HDMI 2.0a with Dolby Vision. I was under the impression this is HDMI 2.0b ? Yes indeed  ; if it wasn't it wouldn't pass HLG video Theres so many that have hdmi2.0a ; maybe that explains the slip ? |
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Post by Lsc on Sept 11, 2018 1:48:09 GMT -5
Here is what I’m thinking: XMC-1 gen3 was supposed to be fully balanced LCR and was priced at $3499 - 13 channels - this is the baseline. RMC-2 is $300 more and has 3 more channels than the XMc-2..this accounts for the slight increase in cost. To think that Emotiva will then throw in all channels fully balanced...not sure. XMC-2 is $500 less so I would think that they would take away the LCR being fully balanced and keep it LR fully balanced. I could be wrong and Emotiva will give us the RMC-2 with all channels fully balanced- well I’ll take it! 😂. But I doubt it. I could be wrong. I think most of those things are spelled out earlier in the thread. I keep hearing the RMC-2 is fully balanced on all channels. Also keep hearing the XMC-2 is LCR fully balanced. Which I am disagreeing in this game of speculation. 😊 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 11, 2018 13:11:43 GMT -5
... Quick question. On your guy’s XMC-1 using zone 2 with the follow main option does the volume sync with your main zone? No, the Z2 output (Zone 2) has it's own level control, you can use the original remote, the App, or a universal solution like Harmony to control the Z2 level. The Z1 output, which always plays what's in the Main Zone (or Zone 1), also tracks or syncs with the Main volume. |
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