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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 19:01:02 GMT -5
I could see the RMC-1X (expandable) and the RMC-1. Leave some growing space for generational numbers. As long as the 5k price tag remains on the original expandable unit I’m good with whatever they want to call it. Not bad. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 19:05:33 GMT -5
Its a catch 22, because then when the next one comes out years from it will be the whole Gen thing all over again. But ya know what, I'm done screwing with it. If they want to be inconsistent and always have people questioning it because they are confused, so be it.😎 TLA's? Three Letter Acronym ... XMC, RMC, XPA etc. I wouldn’t want to see an RMCL-1, but would be fine with an RMC-1L. Got cha. Wow, I dunno, thats crossing over into semantics for me. RMCX-1 vs RMC-1X. About the same for me. RMCX-1S vs RMC-1XS. Both work for me. They would never us the L as I said. Bad marketing to call a product light. (Except for low calorie food).😋 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 19:06:52 GMT -5
Three Letter Acronym ... XMC, RMC, XPA etc. I wouldn’t want to see an RMCL-1, but would be fine with an RMC-1L. Got cha. Wow, I dunno, thats crossing over into semantics for me. RMCX-1 vs RMC-1X. About the same for me. RMCX-1S vs RMC-1XS. Both work for me. They would never us the L as I said. Bad marketing to call a product light. (Except for low calorie food).😋 Well, we already had the XPA-1L |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 6, 2018 19:08:34 GMT -5
[[ For Bonzo's Silver Finish version ...]] How about you take the knob off and just grind it down to the underlaying raw, non-anodized aluminum? :-) Casey |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 19:10:23 GMT -5
... Input / output wise, the XMC-2 is now basically an XMC-1 with the 4 height channels added, and 5 things removed: no 7.1 inputs, 1 less stereo input, no Zone 3 output, no analog record out, and no RCA channel outputs. I’m going to keep calling you on this, the XMC-1 never had a Zone 3. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 19:12:21 GMT -5
Got cha. Wow, I dunno, thats crossing over into semantics for me. RMCX-1 vs RMC-1X. About the same for me. RMCX-1S vs RMC-1XS. Both work for me. They would never us the L as I said. Bad marketing to call a product light. (Except for low calorie food).😋 Well, we already had the XPA-1L Well yes we have haven't we.😉 Thanks for the reminder. And you know what, I don't recall anyone complaining about that system. SO, okay, then that settles it. The RMC-2 should be called the RMC-1L. Nuff said. So in the future we can have the RMC-2 and RMC-2L. And of course the RMC-2S and RMC-2LS. 😁😎 |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Sept 6, 2018 19:12:40 GMT -5
In any case, regardless of names and finishes, I'd be mighty happy to see:
1. A specification comparison chart of the XMC-2, [currently named] RMC-2, and RMC-1.
2. Information specifically on Streaming Music options; specifically Roon Endpoint.
Casey
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 19:28:51 GMT -5
... Input / output wise, the XMC-2 is now basically an XMC-1 with the 4 height channels added, and 5 things removed: no 7.1 inputs, 1 less stereo input, no Zone 3 output, no analog record out, and no RCA channel outputs. Im going to keep calling you on this, the XMC-1 never had a Zone 3. Semantics. I don't care what they labeled the back, Z1 Z2 is the same as Z2 Z3 for most intentional purposes. I know they labeled it Z1 to try and help acknowledge that it was tied to the mains, but that doesn't matter. I think the Z1 designation was/is stupid. The entire point of both outputs was for exterior zones. What purpose would running mains and Z1 in the same room serve? If they had made BOTH assignable we wouldn't be having this conversation. They should have made it that way in the first place. But here nor there, the POINT is we now have LESS because there is no REC OUT or Z1. There are 2 less sets of stereo outputs, fixed sources or not. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 21:05:52 GMT -5
Im going to keep calling you on this, the XMC-1 never had a Zone 3. Semantics. I don't care what they labeled the back, Z1 Z2 is the same as Z2 Z3 for most intentional purposes. I know they labeled it Z1 to try and help acknowledge that it was tied to the mains, but that doesn't matter. I think the Z1 designation was/is stupid. The entire point of both outputs was for exterior zones. What purpose would running mains and Z1 in the same room serve? If they had made BOTH assignable we wouldn't be having this conversation. They should have made it that way in the first place. But here nor there, the POINT is we now have LESS because there is no REC OUT or Z1. There are 2 less sets of stereo outputs, fixed sources or not. I just reread my post after the fact and realized it might have come across a bit harsh, like I was mad or something. I didn't mean it that way at all. I just simply meant that while there may be some technical differences, I find Z1 Z2 to be the same as Z2 Z3. I will though make an effort to start saying we lost the REC out and the Z1 output. That is more accurate as thats the way its labeled. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 21:11:30 GMT -5
Im going to keep calling you on this, the XMC-1 never had a Zone 3. Semantics. I don't care what they labeled the back, Z1 Z2 is the same as Z2 Z3 for most intentional purposes. I know they labeled it Z1 to try and help acknowledge that it was tied to the mains, but that doesn't matter. I think the Z1 designation was/is stupid. The entire point of both outputs was for exterior zones. What purpose would running mains and Z1 in the same room serve? If they had made BOTH assignable we wouldn't be having this conversation. They should have made it that way in the first place. But here nor there, the POINT is we now have LESS because there is no REC OUT or Z1. There are 2 less sets of stereo outputs, fixed sources or not. My point is that there are processors / receivers with a Zone 2 and a Zone 3 that are different than the main output ... zone ... thing. The main zone (Zone 1 in Emo parlay) is where your Surround speakers are, Zone 2 is (typically) in another or 2nd part of the house/outdoors, Zone 3 is yet a 3rd location. Personally, if you think of it like that, Zone 1/Z1 makes total sense, it’s a mixdown of the 1st or Primary location. Zone 2 is a (potentially different) feed for a 2nd location. By using Zone 3 you are implying that the XMC had the ability to send another (potentially different) signal to a 3rd location, and it never did. So as much as you wish there were more outputs, you can’t say they should put it back, because it was never there. What’s missing from the RMC-1, RMC-2, and XMC-2 is a Tape Out (fixed out of Main Zone), and we both agree this is unfortunate. It has yet to be seen what an Atmos modified XMC-1 will have (or not have), I currently believe it will have a Tape Out, but no Z1 or Z2. * I added the (potentially different) wording as somewhat of a definition of what a Zone is, it’s not just another output, but a potentially different output that what’s playing in the Main Zone 1 |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 21:15:31 GMT -5
Semantics. I don't care what they labeled the back, Z1 Z2 is the same as Z2 Z3 for most intentional purposes. I know they labeled it Z1 to try and help acknowledge that it was tied to the mains, but that doesn't matter. I think the Z1 designation was/is stupid. The entire point of both outputs was for exterior zones. What purpose would running mains and Z1 in the same room serve? If they had made BOTH assignable we wouldn't be having this conversation. They should have made it that way in the first place. But here nor there, the POINT is we now have LESS because there is no REC OUT or Z1. There are 2 less sets of stereo outputs, fixed sources or not. I just reread my post after the fact and realized it might have come across a bit harsh, like I was mad or something. I didn't mean it that way at all. I just simply meant that while there may be some technical differences, I find Z1 Z2 to be the same as Z2 Z3. I will though make an effort to start saying we lost the REC out and the Z1 output. That is more accurate as thats the way its labeled. I didn’t take it as harsh, just that if we use different terms it becomes confusing or misleading. I used to use Z1 to send a mixdown of my HT system to my 2C system that was controlled by a single volume control. I used it when I wanted a ‘really big show’! |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 21:23:48 GMT -5
I just reread my post after the fact and realized it might have come across a bit harsh, like I was mad or something. I didn't mean it that way at all. I just simply meant that while there may be some technical differences, I find Z1 Z2 to be the same as Z2 Z3. I will though make an effort to start saying we lost the REC out and the Z1 output. That is more accurate as thats the way its labeled. I didn’t take it as harsh, just that if we use different terms it becomes confusing or misleading. I used to use Z1 to send a mixdown of my HT system to my 2C system that was controlled by a single volume control. I used it when I wanted a ‘really big show’! Okay good. But you see, I guess that's where our thoughts differ. I would never use it in that manner, nor do I think many do. I could be totally wrong. Is there no way to control the Z1 volume separate? Maybe that's what I'm missing. So is the Z1 more so people could in theory run a theater set of speakers and a stereo set in the same room? Of course that would require the mains to be turned off while the Z1 still played. Now you've got me confused. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 21:32:52 GMT -5
I didn’t take it as harsh, just that if we use different terms it becomes confusing or misleading. I used to use Z1 to send a mixdown of my HT system to my 2C system that was controlled by a single volume control. I used it when I wanted a ‘really big show’! Okay good. But you see, I guess that's where our thoughts differ. I would never use it in that manner, nor do I think many do. I could be totally wrong. Is there no way to control the Z1 volume separate? Maybe that's what I'm missing. So is the Z1 more so people could in theory run a theater set of speakers and a stereo set in the same room? Of course that would require the mains to be turned off while the Z1 still played. Now you've got me confused. I don’t know what they had in mind when they designed it (I suppose it might be in the manual?), I used it when I wanted to ADD my 2C system to my HT, it was like stereo wides. If I wanted though I could turn off my HT power amp and just have the 2C from the Z1 out, so separate or combined systems were possible. |
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Post by Bonzo on Sept 6, 2018 21:38:57 GMT -5
Okay good. But you see, I guess that's where our thoughts differ. I would never use it in that manner, nor do I think many do. I could be totally wrong. Is there no way to control the Z1 volume separate? Maybe that's what I'm missing. So is the Z1 more so people could in theory run a theater set of speakers and a stereo set in the same room? Of course that would require the mains to be turned off while the Z1 still played. Now you've got me confused. I don’t know what they had in mind when they designed it (I suppose it might be in the manual?), I used it when I wanted to ADD my 2C system to my HT, it was like stereo wides. If I wanted though I could turn off my HT power amp and just have the 2C from the Z1 out, so separate or combined systems were possible. Interesting. Seems like an odd feature to have then. Odd or not, its now gone as it's own entity. While both options are available, they now can no longer be used or hooked up simultaneously. We can discuss this more somewhere else. We've hijacked this thread enough. |
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Post by overtheair on Sept 6, 2018 21:42:22 GMT -5
Guys, please do we have to take this CEDIA 2018 thread down into inane discussions about the color of knobs/trim pieces and naming cluttering up the thread in the process? Here's some reporting from Cedia by Sound and VisionIt includes pricing as follows: - RMC-1 $4,999
- XMC-2 $2,999 available January 2019
- RMC-2 $3,799 after XMC-2 later in 1Q19
There is also mention of the expanded I/O version of the RMC-1 with 24-channels at $6,000 to $6,500, with the XLR output modules avail;able 1Q19. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 21:44:00 GMT -5
I don’t know what they had in mind when they designed it (I suppose it might be in the manual?) ... Here’s what the manual says Zone 1 Audio OutputProvide a stereo unbalanced line level analog audio down-mix output for the Main Zone. The Volume setting on this output tracks with the Main Zone Volume setting. I’ll just finish with, the Zone 3 you suggest would need more circuitry (input selector) which would likely be a cost increase (it’s not just repurposing the jacks), I personally don’t need them, but some might. Everyone would have to pay for them. Sorry for the diversion...back to CEDIA |
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Post by klinemj on Sept 6, 2018 22:25:22 GMT -5
Guys, please do we have to take this CEDIA 2018 thread down into inane discussions about the color of knobs/trim pieces and naming cluttering up the thread in the process? Here's some reporting from Cedia by Sound and VisionIt includes pricing as follows: - RMC-1 $4,999
- XMC-2 $2,999 available January 2019
- RMC-2 $3,799 after XMC-2 later in 1Q19
There is also mention of the expanded I/O version of the RMC-1 with 24-channels at $6,000 to $6,500, with the XLR output modules avail;able 1Q19. I like the idea of a multi-tier lineup built off a common platform. The RMC-1 plus its expansion modules will be a killer option for some, yet the others will not be any slouch at all. Well done Lonnie and Dan and team! I look forward to them being onthe market. Mark |
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Post by lrobertson on Sept 6, 2018 22:39:46 GMT -5
So this is confirmation I’ll be able to order the RMC-1 with 24 channels all under the 40% discount card?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 22:42:49 GMT -5
This note apparently referring to the XMR-1 is also interesting ...
“Dolby Atmos and DTS:X will also come to the company’s first AVR, due early in 2019. It will feature 15.1 channels of output to support 9.1.6-speaker layouts and will be rated at 15x200 watts into 8 ohms.”
I didn’t remember it previously being 16 channels.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 6, 2018 22:46:25 GMT -5
So this is confirmation I’ll be able to order the RMC-1 with 24 channels all under the 40% discount card? I wouldn’t call it that, if you read the article it says that with the expansion modules it will run $6000 to $6500, not that there will be a 24 channel version including those modules. You can speculate but until it’s announced I’ll be skeptical. Edit: Though it does seem to give us a price range of these expansion modules. |
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