Official RMC-1 OWNERS Thread

[KeithL]

Here is the status of Dirac on the RMC-1 (and the RMC-1L and XMC-2).
This information is current as of today 6/18/2019.

We are currently awaiting a software build from Dirac - which we expect soon (hopefully within the next week).
Once we receive this code we will have to do some work to integrate it into the RMC-1 firmware.
Once we start doing that we will have a much better idea about exactly how long it will take.

Here are a few more details that I have now:
- The Dirac version that will be released on the RMC-1 is 2.x  (the exact version number will depend on the release date).
- Dirac is actively doing their best to ensure that the versions of Dirac available on different platforms have similar capabilities.
- This version of Dirac now includes the ability to more carefully match the front left and right speakers as a pair (should improve imaging performance).
- This version of Dirac does not include some of the advanced bass management options you may have heard talked about.
   Dirac's roadmap calls for several advanced bass management capabilities to be added to their software down the road.
   One of these is a free future update that will enable you to better visualize how your subwoofers will interact with your other speakers.
   They also plan two additional levels of more advanced bass management, including integration of multiple subs, which will be optional and will cost extra.
- (As of this time I do not have specific information about how we will be handling Dirac Live LE vs Full licensing with each processor model.)

Rest assured that this is a high priority for us and we will tell you when we have more information.
This is the latest and most up-to-date information as of today.
Please disregard anything different you may have heard elsewhere.

Jun 18, 2019 20:07:33 GMT -5 Delco said:

Jun 18, 2019 13:34:45 GMT -5 aswiss said:

Thanks for this Update.

But I'r rather read news on a FW Update or Dirac Release, than of consequences done by someone, who wants to find out, who's got the longer one ;-)

Agreed, Nick/Lonnie or Keith and ETA on the FW update that includes Dirac?

[Lsc]

Wait so Keith, what you are saying is that Emotiva hasn’t started on their end because you were waiting on Dirac and actually don’t know what the effort is until you get the code? How long did it take last time?

You guys have to read the code to figure stuff out from Dirac? They don’t give a technical turnover document?

As far as functionality goes, is there more than 1 preset for Dirac?

[adaboy]

Jun 19, 2019 7:52:00 GMT -5 Lsc said:

Wait so Keith, what you are saying is that Emotiva hasn’t started on their end because you were waiting on Dirac and actually don’t know what the effort is until you get the code? How long did it take last time?

You guys have to read the code to figure stuff out from Dirac? They don’t give a technical turnover document?

As far as functionality goes, is there more than 1 preset for Dirac?

Sounds like that return policy just got a whole lot longer... At least since the delay wasn't on Emotiva, they were able to get some of the bugs worked out. Imagine if Emotiva waited all this time to release with dirac only to discover all of the other bugs! Yikes that would have been a complete disaster!

[jim80z]

Jun 18, 2019 22:46:45 GMT -5 KeithL said:

Here is the status of Dirac on the RMC-1 (and the RMC-1L and XMC-2).
This information is current as of today 6/18/2019.

We are currently awaiting a software build from Dirac - which we expect soon (hopefully within the next week).......................

.................................Rest assured that this is a high priority for us and we will tell you when we have more information.
This is the latest and most up-to-date information as of today.
Please disregard anything different you may have heard elsewhere.

Thanks for this Keith. Now if we can have regular updates on this even if its simply "no change" say every two weeks?

Can we please have an update wrt V1.4 of the firmware and killing off the last of the bugs please? I would like to think this will get nailed and Emotiva will have a clean starting point before touching Dirac integration.

Thanks

Jim

[KeithL]

Of course they provide documentation.

However, overall, this is a bit more complicated than it might seem at first.

You have the calibration software - which runs on a separate computer.

Then you have the processing module (the "engine") - which has to run on our DSP engine - along with our other firmware.

Then you have the interface that ties it into the audio processing on our processor.

And the other interface that ties it into things like the menu and control system.

And, remember, it all has to work on a unit that already has multiple processors working together, without causing problems with anything else.

And it all has to work properly and smoothly together.

I believe we'll have multiple Dirac Presets.... but I can't promise it at this point.

Jun 19, 2019 7:52:00 GMT -5 Lsc said:

Wait so Keith, what you are saying is that Emotiva hasn’t started on their end because you were waiting on Dirac and actually don’t know what the effort is until you get the code? How long did it take last time?

You guys have to read the code to figure stuff out from Dirac? They don’t give a technical turnover document?

As far as functionality goes, is there more than 1 preset for Dirac?

[Lsc]

Jun 19, 2019 10:16:00 GMT -5 KeithL said:

Of course they provide documentation.

However, overall, this is a bit more complicated than it might seem at first.

You have the calibration software - which runs on a separate computer.

Then you have the processing module (the "engine") - which has to run on our DSP engine - along with our other firmware.

Then you have the interface that ties it into the audio processing on our processor.

And the other interface that ties it into things like the menu and control system.

And, remember, it all has to work on a unit that already has multiple processors working together, without causing problems with anything else.

And it all has to work properly and smoothly together.

I believe we'll have multiple Dirac Presets.... but I can't promise it at this point.

Is the multiple presets included in the scope of work?

Considering Emotiva has gone thru the integration once before with the XMC1, could that be leveraged or do you have the start over with this version of Dirac?

[twism]

It seems to be there is still more bad news than good news about the RMC-1 but I am still having a lot of sucess with it. Watched US via the Kalediscape Strato and Lego Movie 2 via OPPO 203 and didn't experience any issues. I have also used the Apple TV for extended periods without issues and stream music to a Bluesound Node 2i.

Right now, my biggest complaint is just the aount of time it takes to lock onto an audio signal, when your used to it being less than a second, the 3-5 second delay at times is noticeable, not a showstopper by any means, but it's all I really have to complain about.

I also at sometimes feel like the lip sync gets out of sync, this could be because all my sources go through the Lumagen first so I only have one input active on the RMC-1 but I haven't had that issue in any other setup. ( I haven't nailed down this one yet nor I have I really dived into it).

I would actually be afraid to upgrade to any new FW at this point.

[KeithL]

I believe it is scoped in.

The new processors use an entirely new DSP - the Griffin Lite.

So all of the engine code is new.

A lot of the other stuff is new as well.

Luckily we don't have to deal with the computer part of the software (the calibration module)- since that isn't running on our platform.

Jun 19, 2019 12:03:03 GMT -5 Lsc said:

Jun 19, 2019 10:16:00 GMT -5 KeithL said:

Of course they provide documentation.

However, overall, this is a bit more complicated than it might seem at first.

You have the calibration software - which runs on a separate computer.

Then you have the processing module (the "engine") - which has to run on our DSP engine - along with our other firmware.

Then you have the interface that ties it into the audio processing on our processor.

And the other interface that ties it into things like the menu and control system.

And, remember, it all has to work on a unit that already has multiple processors working together, without causing problems with anything else.

And it all has to work properly and smoothly together.

I believe we'll have multiple Dirac Presets.... but I can't promise it at this point.

Is the multiple presets included in the scope of work?

Considering Emotiva has gone thru the integration once before with the XMC1, could that be leveraged or do you have the start over with this version of Dirac?

[aswiss]

Hopefully, its at least 2 Standard Presets and 2 additional Dirac Presets.

I could live with 2 (1 MCH and one 2.0) but prefer to keep the 2 existing, and get 2 additional.

Not a big thing - to keep different Presets on the PC, and store them when needed.

Will there be a FW 1.4 first, to eliminate the existing issues, followed by a Dirac Version?

Since Emo is still waiting for the Software - and since there wasn't any FW Update for a longer period, I don't see any chance, that Dirac will be delivered before summer (which would be some sort of half a year delay).

I can undertand, that this is new stuff for Emo and Dirac - but both (Emo & Dirac) know since 1 year what DSP will be used, and hopefully how it will be integrated on the RMC-1.

So Dirac is capable to run on RMC-1 - but the needed Integration is currently not existing, nor does someone know if it will run properly.

to be honest - this is really not what I expected.

For me it sounded, that once the Dirac Code will arrive - it can be implemented very quick because the Firmware was already designed to be used together with Dirac (from some point, you believed in this, and advertised it).

I bought my RMC-1 with all the little known issues - but a new FW and Dirac should be out within the next 8 weeks.

the "keep calm - it will be out one day" strategy should be replaced with nailed end dates, or at least some planable time (so discussion and speculation will end).

Thanks

Jun 19, 2019 10:16:00 GMT -5 KeithL said:

Of course they provide documentation.

However, overall, this is a bit more complicated than it might seem at first.

You have the calibration software - which runs on a separate computer.

Then you have the processing module (the "engine") - which has to run on our DSP engine - along with our other firmware.

Then you have the interface that ties it into the audio processing on our processor.

And the other interface that ties it into things like the menu and control system.

And, remember, it all has to work on a unit that already has multiple processors working together, without causing problems with anything else.

And it all has to work properly and smoothly together.

I believe we'll have multiple Dirac Presets.... but I can't promise it at this point.

Jun 19, 2019 7:52:00 GMT -5 Lsc said:

Wait so Keith, what you are saying is that Emotiva hasn’t started on their end because you were waiting on Dirac and actually don’t know what the effort is until you get the code? How long did it take last time?

You guys have to read the code to figure stuff out from Dirac? They don’t give a technical turnover document?

As far as functionality goes, is there more than 1 preset for Dirac?

[Bonzo]

Jun 13, 2019 9:29:41 GMT -5 deewan said:

Jun 13, 2019 8:15:25 GMT -5 goozoo said:

Are you finally done with the RMC1? Your last sentence got all of our attention following your saga.

Right or wrong, this is where I'm at with the RMC (and Emotiva). I think the best analogy I can give, it's like having a family member you care for and you want to succeed have a self-destructive addiction. I am invested in the RMC (and Emotiva) and I really want to help them as much as possible so they can succeed because I care deeply about them and their product, but at each major issue I have to make a decision will things ever get better and how much longer do I try to help? The time, money and effort I've invested towards the RMC is not insignificant. I've honestly spent more time troubleshooting and researching than I have enjoying it. I truly want the product to work and as a "family member" I want to help Emotiva produce a fully functioning RMC. But at some point, I need to have an intervention (with myself) and make the choice of how much more I want to invest.

After the dinging issue was discovered last Friday night I knew that RMC unit would be going back to Franklin and I had no other choice than to buy a processor that would allow me to watch content during the weekend while we entertained friends. I was going to be traveling for work the following week (this week) and the normal frustration experienced by my wife using the finicky RMC would boil over if she had no processor at all. With the help of a local AV store who completely understands my frustration, I scored a deal on a Marantz 8805. Saturday I pulled the dinging RMC out of the stack, boxed it up and prepped it for a return trip back to Franklin. I then installed the 8805, reprogrammed the Harmony remote and enjoyed an issue free weekend using my theater. My wife was so excited she could use the theater again without my help she didn't complain once about me asking her to print the return shipping label for the RMC and haul the box to the UPS store while I was out of town. The 8805 in the stack honestly made my travel less stressful as I knew I wouldn't get a call stating "I pushed 'Watch movie' button but nothing is displayed on the screen... how do I watch a movie?"

So my processor sage includes switching from a 7704 to an RMC, swapping out that RMC due to hardware issues, swapping out THAT RMC for an RMC that dinged, removing the dining RMC and currently having an 8805 in my equipment stack. As the dinging RMC is on it's way back to Emotiva and I was told the RMC I sent back to Franklin two weeks ago will be shipped back to me today (Thursday) and should arrive Friday or Monday. A quick update on the RMC coming back to me. I shipped it back to Emotiva with all my user settings loaded. I was told after arriving in Franklin, they found some broken connections on the analog board. They were not sure how that happened but a new board was installed. This week I've had several conversations and was able to help troubleshoot the crackling heard in my middle overhead channels and the subwoofer becoming inactive when exiting out of the speaker preset menu. I was informed both issues will be resolved via future FW update. The issues
were not hardware related.

Getting back to my analogy, for now it seems the family member I love is in rehab, getting the help they need. I have a fully functioning theater again and time will tell if the RMC graduates from rehab and can transition back into normal society. If not, I'll pay return shipping and send the RMC back to Emotiva one final time. If it comes to that I'll have to stay strong knowing what I am doing is best for me and Emotiva.

I was waiting for someone else to ask you, but since no one has, I will. How are you liking the 8805? Can you give us some impressions, from of course SQ and glitches (or lack of) which are the big core differences between it and the RMC-1 right now, but also from a usability standpoint. How is the menu system? How is the rest of your family (wife) with it? Anything else you can say about it? Curious minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance - Bonzo

[skiman1]

(Dirac)..."also plan two additional levels of more advanced bass management, including integration of multiple subs, which will be optional and will cost extra"

I wonder how this might affect the planned multiple subwoofer module. Either/or, work together? Cost?

[deewan]

Jun 19, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

I was waiting for someone else to ask you, but since no one has, I will. How are you liking the 8805? Can you give us some impressions, from of course SQ and glitches (or lack of) which are the big core differences between it and the RMC-1 right now, but also from a usability standpoint. How is the menu system? How is the rest of your family (wife) with it? Anything else you can say about it? Curious minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance - Bonzo

I've had a few people reach out to me via private message asking about how the two compare. I didn't want to post my thoughts about a competing product without being solicited since this is a RMC thread. But since you asked I have no problem sharing my feelings.

Without going into a lot of detail, the sound quality between to the 8805 and RMC is very comparable without room correction applied to either. The RMC does seem to have better dynamics and a lower noise floor... the lower noise floor often helping to contribute to a sense of better dynamics. It's difficult to A/B test and compare since hooking up each processor is not a small task. Other than sound quality and front panel display (I've always disliked the porthole display) the 8805 wins in all other categories right now, not taking into consideration what the RMC MAY offer in the future or what FW fixes may bring). Setup with the 8805 is a breeze, if anything the OSD and setup steps are a little over the top since I feel most people spending this much money on a processor should have an idea of what they are doing. But I know that is not the case and the 8805 provides a detailed step by step guide. All the extra goodies work as designed. Wireless, audio streaming apps, etc... the 8805 has them all and they work. These are not features I would pay extra for, but it's nice they are available. I have not experienced a single audio issue while using the 8805 and the same setup and equipment that had my RMC throwing static to channels and dropouts. Input switching feels instant compared to the lengthy time the RMC takes. I have not had to swap inputs due to a failed connect with the 8805. More importantly, the startup of the 8805 is quick and all commands sent by the Harmony are received by the 8805 and completed. Sometimes with the RMC if I was selecting a new input during startup the input switch would not always register and I'd have to hit the help button on the harmony remote. That caused a lot of frustration with my wife. I feel the Audessy room correct on the 8805 is junk. I did run through the setup once and hated the results. In my room, with my equipment I'll keep the room correction turned off with the 8805.

My biggest compliant so far is the powering on and off of the 8805 when I use Airplay2. Powering on the unit is fine, it's the process it takes to turn it off. There have been a few times I've forgotten to turn the 8805 off. Not a big issues and I'm really reaching for things to complain about.

Long story short, I have my RMC back from Emotiva but it will remain in the box until I feel it may compete with the 8805 from a stability standpoint. The RMC does win the sound quality category, but it has a lot of issues right now in my system. While my biggest complaints about the 8805 is no room correction (that I would use), limit to 7.1.6 (no expansion bays) and the fact the 8805 does not auto shut off if it's turned on via Airplay2.

[davidl81]

Jun 19, 2019 20:12:05 GMT -5 deewan said:

Jun 19, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

I was waiting for someone else to ask you, but since no one has, I will. How are you liking the 8805? Can you give us some impressions, from of course SQ and glitches (or lack of) which are the big core differences between it and the RMC-1 right now, but also from a usability standpoint. How is the menu system? How is the rest of your family (wife) with it? Anything else you can say about it? Curious minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance - Bonzo

I've had a few people reach out to me via private message asking about how the two compare. I didn't want to post my thoughts about a competing product without being solicited since this is a RMC thread. But since you asked I have no problem sharing my feelings.

Without going into a lot of detail, the sound quality between to the 8805 and RMC is very comparable without room correction applied to either. The RMC does seem to have better dynamics and a lower noise floor... the lower noise floor often helping to contribute to a sense of better dynamics. It's difficult to A/B test and compare since hooking up each processor is not a small task. Other than sound quality and front panel display (I've always disliked the porthole display) the 8805 wins in all other categories right now, not taking into consideration what the RMC MAY offer in the future or what FW fixes may bring). Setup with the 8805 is a breeze, if anything the OSD and setup steps are a little over the top since I feel most people spending this much money on a processor should have an idea of what they are doing. But I know that is not the case and the 8805 provides a detailed step by step guide. All the extra goodies work as designed. Wireless, audio streaming apps, etc... the 8805 has them all and they work. These are not features I would pay extra for, but it's nice they are available. I have not experienced a single audio issue while using the 8805 and the same setup and equipment that had my RMC throwing static to channels and dropouts. Input switching feels instant compared to the lengthy time the RMC takes. I have not had to swap inputs due to a failed connect with the 8805. More importantly, the startup of the 8805 is quick and all commands sent by the Harmony are received by the 8805 and completed. Sometimes with the RMC if I was selecting a new input during startup the input switch would not always register and I'd have to hit the help button on the harmony remote. That caused a lot of frustration with my wife. I feel the Audessy room correct on the 8805 is junk. I did run through the setup once and hated the results. In my room, with my equipment I'll keep the room correction turned off with the 8805.

My biggest compliant so far is the powering on and off of the 8805 when I use Airplay2. Powering on the unit is fine, it's the process it takes to turn it off. There have been a few times I've forgotten to turn the 8805 off. Not a big issues and I'm really reaching for things to complain about.

Long story short, I have my RMC back from Emotiva but it will remain in the box until I feel it may compete with the 8805 from a stability standpoint. The RMC does win the sound quality category, but it has a lot of issues right now in my system. While my biggest complaints about the 8805 is no room correction (that I would use), limit to 7.1.6 (no expansion bays) and the fact the 8805 does not auto shut off if it's turned on via Airplay2.

FWIW I use the Marantz iPhone app to turn off my AV8802A when I stream music to it.

[deewan]

Jun 19, 2019 20:26:35 GMT -5 davidl81 said:

FWIW I use the Marantz iPhone app to turn off my AV8802A when I stream music to it.

+1. That is what I've been doing too. I just wish if the 8805 was turned don with Airplay and last played Airplay, there would be an auto-off feature. But honestly, I'm really reaching for things to complain about when that is a top issue with the 8805.

[Bonzo]

Jun 19, 2019 20:12:05 GMT -5 deewan said:

Jun 19, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

I was waiting for someone else to ask you, but since no one has, I will. How are you liking the 8805? Can you give us some impressions, from of course SQ and glitches (or lack of) which are the big core differences between it and the RMC-1 right now, but also from a usability standpoint. How is the menu system? How is the rest of your family (wife) with it? Anything else you can say about it? Curious minds would like to know.

Thanks in advance - Bonzo

I've had a few people reach out to me via private message asking about how the two compare. I didn't want to post my thoughts about a competing product without being solicited since this is a RMC thread. But since you asked I have no problem sharing my feelings.

Without going into a lot of detail, the sound quality between to the 8805 and RMC is very comparable without room correction applied to either. The RMC does seem to have better dynamics and a lower noise floor... the lower noise floor often helping to contribute to a sense of better dynamics. It's difficult to A/B test and compare since hooking up each processor is not a small task. Other than sound quality and front panel display (I've always disliked the porthole display) the 8805 wins in all other categories right now, not taking into consideration what the RMC MAY offer in the future or what FW fixes may bring). Setup with the 8805 is a breeze, if anything the OSD and setup steps are a little over the top since I feel most people spending this much money on a processor should have an idea of what they are doing. But I know that is not the case and the 8805 provides a detailed step by step guide. All the extra goodies work as designed. Wireless, audio streaming apps, etc... the 8805 has them all and they work. These are not features I would pay extra for, but it's nice they are available. I have not experienced a single audio issue while using the 8805 and the same setup and equipment that had my RMC throwing static to channels and dropouts. Input switching feels instant compared to the lengthy time the RMC takes. I have not had to swap inputs due to a failed connect with the 8805. More importantly, the startup of the 8805 is quick and all commands sent by the Harmony are received by the 8805 and completed. Sometimes with the RMC if I was selecting a new input during startup the input switch would not always register and I'd have to hit the help button on the harmony remote. That caused a lot of frustration with my wife. I feel the Audessy room correct on the 8805 is junk. I did run through the setup once and hated the results. In my room, with my equipment I'll keep the room correction turned off with the 8805.

My biggest compliant so far is the powering on and off of the 8805 when I use Airplay2. Powering on the unit is fine, it's the process it takes to turn it off. There have been a few times I've forgotten to turn the 8805 off. Not a big issues and I'm really reaching for things to complain about.

Long story short, I have my RMC back from Emotiva but it will remain in the box until I feel it may compete with the 8805 from a stability standpoint. The RMC does win the sound quality category, but it has a lot of issues right now in my system. While my biggest complaints about the 8805 is no room correction (that I would use), limit to 7.1.6 (no expansion bays) and the fact the 8805 does not auto shut off if it's turned on via Airplay2.

Thank you for taking the time with such a detailed reply.

Although its almost exactly what I would have thought if one had asked me to guess. SQ in the RMC-1 wins, and will win more for people who require some form of room correction. Its the better audiophile piece (once working better). But for everyday family life and modern convieniences, the 8805 wins. In my house and my multi-purpose room, that's more important than the last 1% in SQ. Just my situation. My 8802a will hold tight for a while.

Again, thanks, I appreciate it.

[deewan]

Jun 19, 2019 20:41:15 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Thank you for taking the time with such a detailed reply.

Although its almost exactly what I would have thought if one had asked me to guess. SQ in the RMC-1 wins, and will win more for people who require some form of room correction. Its the better audiophile piece (once working better). But for everyday family life and modern convieniences, the 8805 wins. In my house and my multi-purpose room, that's more important than the last 1% in SQ. Just my situation. My 8802a will hold tight for a while.

Again, thanks, I appreciate it.

You are welcome. The RMC does have better sound quality even without room correction, but I'm not sure how much better it sounds when compared to the 8805. Considering the 8805 can be easily found for not much more than the RMC after a 40% coupon is used, if people are looking for a 7.1.6 setup they need to decide if the small sound quality improvement over the 8805 is worth the additional money and semi-quirky operations of the RMC. Again, assuming all the actual issues of the RMC are resolved.

[tom9933]

Jun 19, 2019 21:09:23 GMT -5 deewan said:

Jun 19, 2019 20:41:15 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Thank you for taking the time with such a detailed reply.

Although its almost exactly what I would have thought if one had asked me to guess. SQ in the RMC-1 wins, and will win more for people who require some form of room correction. Its the better audiophile piece (once working better). But for everyday family life and modern convieniences, the 8805 wins. In my house and my multi-purpose room, that's more important than the last 1% in SQ. Just my situation. My 8802a will hold tight for a while.

Again, thanks, I appreciate it.

You are welcome. The RMC does have better sound quality even without room correction, but I'm not sure how much better it sounds when compared to the 8805. Considering the 8805 can be easily found for not much more than the RMC after a 40% coupon is used, if people are looking for a 7.1.6 setup they need to decide if the small sound quality improvement over the 8805 is worth the additional money and semi-quirky operations of the RMC. Again, assuming all the actual issues of the RMC are resolved.

It sounds like the 8805 is very similar to the Denon 8500....  I use a DR3 for the LCR (Revel Performas) which I also used with the Denon, but things really seemed to come alive once I put the RMC into the mix.  I also agree about the UI, streaming music, remote control, RS232 control and general operation, the Denon is many steps beyond the RMC.  I upgraded for sound quality improvements so I am ok with this, but if you need to address a "wife factor" I can see the 8500/8805 being a clear winner in this area.  It is interesting your comments about the calibration before the 8500 I came from Pioneer elite units and I felt audyssey was a big improvement over MCACC...  I do miss the HEOS audio playback (streaming sources) feature and am defiantly in the market for a replacement, I'm not sure if that will be a card from Emotiva or a standalone box.  I am still very impressed with how much better the RMC sounds though even with something like network TV.  It seems like especially when shows are playing music, it just sounds more natural and the separation seems much better between the music and dialogue.  I'm still holding on to the 8500 to see if 1.4 fixes my cutout issues, but considering my upgrade also included a lot of other parts (amps, rack, rewiring etc) I'm 95% sure I'll stick with this new setup...

[liv2teach]

Jun 19, 2019 21:09:23 GMT -5 deewan said:

Jun 19, 2019 20:41:15 GMT -5 Bonzo said:

Thank you for taking the time with such a detailed reply.

Although its almost exactly what I would have thought if one had asked me to guess. SQ in the RMC-1 wins, and will win more for people who require some form of room correction. Its the better audiophile piece (once working better). But for everyday family life and modern convieniences, the 8805 wins. In my house and my multi-purpose room, that's more important than the last 1% in SQ. Just my situation. My 8802a will hold tight for a while.

Again, thanks, I appreciate it.

You are welcome. The RMC does have better sound quality even without room correction, but I'm not sure how much better it sounds when compared to the 8805. Considering the 8805 can be easily found for not much more than the RMC after a 40% coupon is used, if people are looking for a 7.1.6 setup they need to decide if the small sound quality improvement over the 8805 is worth the additional money and semi-quirky operations of the RMC. Again, assuming all the actual issues of the RMC are resolved.

My outside perspective on this is, a lot of people are coming to the conclusion that the Marantz (or other processor) is the better deal overall. After waiting forever, and finally tiring of the long list of ongoing problems on here I opted for the 8802a. After a few months with it, and being that I use a tube system for music, I threw in the towel on the RMC. Oddly, I'm finding that my 40% card (which were hot tickets at one time) can't be sold at a reasonable price. I've marked it down on ebay to $690 and the best offer I've received is $650...with me paying the postage and insurance... I hate to speculate, but I'm not sure this has worked out in favor of Emotiva... It won't be long before Monoprice releases their multi-channel receiver and that could put another dent in Emotiva's RMC plans.

[cwt]

Jun 19, 2019 16:03:36 GMT -5 aswiss said:

[/div]

So Dirac is capable to run on RMC-1 - but the needed Integration is currently not existing, nor does someone know if it will run properly.

to be honest - this is really not what I expected.

For me it sounded, that once the Dirac Code will arrive - it can be implemented very quick because the Firmware was already designed to be used together with Dirac (from some point, you believed in this, and advertised it).

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I appreciate the exasperation aswiss ; especially when you see other ce;s with dirac 2 already running the same homogenised code . I think Emo were planning to have a similar proprietary version of the previous dirac algorithm and once again things have changed

As an aside ' If I had to buy a RMC1 right now [and not wait for a RMC1L] I would use its stability as an excuse to buy a Lumagen to sort out my UHD Bd bit mapping ; an 8805 is 7k down under but an Arcam 850 has a 2k trade in deal atm and more appealing as it has dirac .I expect prices across the board to rise [ except for Emo;s pre pros as mentioned] due to the illogical tariff policies that are threatening stock markets worldwide

[aswiss]

My RMC-1 has issues with the not working TRIM (doesn't work in an 5.0.4 with no Sub in Chain), and what is not so good, is the Waiting Pause on the Input Changement.

But I was able to manage everything with adding more delays on my Harmony functions.

As the RMC-1 is capable to transport all UHD Versions perfect (HDR10, Dolby Vision, HLG), and I don't need any upconversion from any devices like Darbee, Lumagen etc, in my setup, it's still the best AV I had - and I'm happy with it.

The Dirac Code is for sure a customized version for EMO (was before for the XMC-1) - and so is for the NAD. As long as I'll get a Full Version with the Top Model RMC-1, I can wait for it until it's here. Some Time in Emo's words can be everything.

About prices - this will affect all products - as some US Products will encounter more Tax in several countries on exporting their goods. It's not only the import of parts from China to US.

This is the result of the current administrations politcs, and all manufacturer have to deal with it - end customer has to pay the bill anyway.

Therefore, I'm happy to got one of the first RMC-1 here in Europe.

Jun 20, 2019 3:02:37 GMT -5 cwt said:

Jun 19, 2019 16:03:36 GMT -5 aswiss said:

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So Dirac is capable to run on RMC-1 - but the needed Integration is currently not existing, nor does someone know if it will run properly.

to be honest - this is really not what I expected.

For me it sounded, that once the Dirac Code will arrive - it can be implemented very quick because the Firmware was already designed to be used together with Dirac (from some point, you believed in this, and advertised it).

[/quote]
I appreciate the exasperation aswiss ; especially when you see other ce;s with dirac 2 already running the same homogenised code . I think Emo were planning to have a similar proprietary version of the previous dirac algorithm and once again things have changed

As an aside ' If I had to buy a RMC1 right now [and not wait for a RMC1L] I would use its stability as an excuse to buy a Lumagen to sort out my UHD Bd bit mapping ; an 8805 is 7k down under but an Arcam 850 has a 2k trade in deal atm and more appealing as it has dirac .I expect prices across the board to rise [ except for Emo;s pre pros as mentioned] due to the illogical tariff policies that are threatening stock markets worldwide [/quote]