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Post by andersmi on Jun 21, 2019 9:10:05 GMT -5
Hope there is someone that can help me. How can I hear stereo music with the subwoofer on the RMC-1 without all speakers are playing.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 21, 2019 9:19:58 GMT -5
Hope there is someone that can help me. How can I hear stereo music with the subwoofer on the RMC-1 without all speakers are playing. Just choosing “Stereo” audio mode (not “Reference Stereo”) should do what you want. Stereo Mode Stereo Mode provides a full complement of processing and control options - with a stereo output. In Stereo Mode: • The output is always TWO CHANNEL STEREO.
• Bass management IS available and the subwoofer IS active.• Loudness Control, the Tone Controls, and the Tone Trims are active. • Dirac Live and the manual Parametric EQ Presets are active. • Level Trims are active. • Speaker Distance adjustments are available for both analog and digital inputs. • Stereo digital signals are presented directly to the processor. • Stereo analog input signals are converted to digital and passed to the processor. • Surround sound digital signals are decoded, down-mixed to stereo, and passed to the processor. • Multi-channel discrete digital signals (like multi-PCM) are down-mixed to stereo and passed to the processor. • If an LFE signal is present, and one or two subwoofers are also present, the LFE content will be routed to the subs along with low-frequency content from the main channels (as determined by the bass management settings). |
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Post by andersmi on Jun 21, 2019 9:22:38 GMT -5
Hope there is someone that can help me. How can I hear stereo music with the subwoofer on the RMC-1 without all speakers are playing. Just choosing “Stereo” audio mode (not “Reference Stereo”) should do what you want. Stereo Mode Stereo Mode provides a full complement of processing and control options - with a stereo output. In Stereo Mode: • The output is always TWO CHANNEL STEREO. • Bass management IS available and the subwoofer IS active. • Loudness Control, the Tone Controls, and the Tone Trims are active. • Dirac Live and the manual Parametric EQ Presets are active. • Level Trims are active. • Speaker Distance adjustments are available for both analog and digital inputs. • Stereo digital signals are presented directly to the processor. • Stereo analog input signals are converted to digital and passed to the processor. • Surround sound digital signals are decoded, down-mixed to stereo, and passed to the processor. • Multi-channel discrete digital signals (like multi-PCM) are down-mixed to stereo and passed to the processor. • If an LFE signal is present, and one or two subwoofers are also present, the LFE content will be routed to the subs along with low-frequency content from the main channels (as determined by the bass management settings). No when selecting Stereo the subwoofer isn't playing. If I hit the trim button for the sub it says no subwoofer but it works if I'm playing movies. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 21, 2019 9:26:57 GMT -5
No when selecting Stereo the subwoofer isn't playing. If I hit the trim button for the sub it says no subwoofer but it works if I'm playing movies. On my XMC-1 when I choose Stereo (again, NOT Reference Stereo), my subwoofers play. The RMC-1 should work the same way, if you read the section of the manual I posted you’ll see it’s correct. (see bold text) Edit: Your L/R speakers must also be set to “Small” or “Enhanced Bass” should be checked. |
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Post by andersmi on Jun 21, 2019 9:32:21 GMT -5
No when selecting Stereo the subwoofer isn't playing. If I hit the trim button for the sub it says no subwoofer but it works if I'm playing movies. On my XMC-1 when I choose Stereo (again, NOT Reference Stereo), my subwoofers play. The RMC-1 should work the same way, if you read the section of the manual I posted you’ll see it’s correct. (see bold text) But it doesn't, no matter what the manual says :-) On my denon you could configure if the subwoofer should play in stereo mode isn't there something similar on the rmc-1? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 21, 2019 9:34:29 GMT -5
On my XMC-1 when I choose Stereo (again, NOT Reference Stereo), my subwoofers play. The RMC-1 should work the same way, if you read the section of the manual I posted you’ll see it’s correct. (see bold text) But it doesn't, no matter what the manual says :-) On my denon you could configure if the subwoofer should play in stereo mode isn't there something similar on the rmc-1? I added this to my last post after you quoted me, have you checked this? Edit: Your L/R speakers must also be set to “Small” or “Enhanced Bass” should be checked. |
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Post by andersmi on Jun 21, 2019 9:36:31 GMT -5
But it doesn't, no matter what the manual says :-) On my denon you could configure if the subwoofer should play in stereo mode isn't there something similar on the rmc-1? I added this to my last post after you quoted me, have you checked this: Edit: Your L/R speakers must also be set to “Small” or “Enhanced Bass” should be checked. Ahh of course yes that could be it. I will check when I get home. Thanks |
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Post by SOWK on Jun 21, 2019 10:24:05 GMT -5
I'm starting to get annoyed. And I don't annoy easily. 1. Emotiva can't create the audio drop outs but refuse to run the setup the way people are suggesting you to... I wouldn't be surprised at this point to find out you are not even running Atmos or DTSX when attempting to find the drop outs. And to make matters worse you have been offered devices from customers to test that have the issue!!!!
2. Emotiva engineers just found out that Atmos ceiling speakers are a thing... 3. I was told at Axpona 2019 (this year) that Atmos ceiling speakers are a matrixed source vs object based... WHAT!!!!! 4. The Audio dropouts have NOTHING to do with the bandwidth so STOP looking into it. WASTE OF TIME! Audio is usually the last thing to mess up if your bandwidth sucks.
5. Your Processors are wired "in phase" on the XLR outputs, but your Amps are wired "out of phase" on the XLR inputs...
Seriously, what the heck is going on over there.
I want to say a lot more, but then I would just be being a sarcastic Ahole. (And that is not who I am.)
So I apologize if I am coming off harsh.
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Post by audiovideojunky on Jun 21, 2019 10:50:34 GMT -5
Just a reminder, not all audio dropouts happen when media is streamed from an internet source. This is one of the reasons I sent you one of my media streamers that I have had a lot of issues with while watching movies stored on a local NAS with a wired network. Those audio dropouts are NOT a internet or limited bandwidth issue. I've made several posts about but anytime I see an Emotiva person speak about streaming media the blame is places on the internet connection. In the past I've offered to send you a drive with complete movies that I can reproduce the audio dropouts, but that offer was declined by Emotiva. I completely understand that bad internet connections aren't the only cause but for testing we are going to try to add as many buffers in the path to try and force a strain on the unit to try to trigger a dropout. We have our main NAS movie server here we have used with the Mede8er plus have tested using a couple of my external HHD's with movies plugged in via USB. We are testing every day with various connections to try and force the issue. I don't know it this helps, but I get audio dropouts like clockwork regardless of source or content. They happen whether I'm streaming (via Xbox 1X or Apple TV, using Amazon Prime, Netflix, or Pandora), playing a game on the Xbox, or playing a disc (4k, 2k, or DVD) on my Oppo UDP-205 or XBox. The last code update shortened the dropouts a bit (they now last maybe 1/4 second), but they still occur about every 8 1/2 minutes without fail. I suspect perhaps it's an equipment mix or setting that causes the issue. I've tried unplugging my second display (which I've left unplugged for quite some time now) and all sources but one (the one I'm using), and that doesn't fix the problem. The only common denominator I haven't removed (due to logistics) is my Sony VPLVW385ES 4k projector. So I'm wondering if perhaps that is re-negotiating with the RMC and causing the issue? I've dug through the Sony menus to attempt to turn anything that might aggravate that problem off (such as CEC), but haven't found the culprit yet. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. My next step is likely to bring a flat-panel TV (non-Sony) into the theater and test with that. If Emotiva needs a set of equipment that repeatedly generates these dropouts, my setup clearly does. I'd gladly volunteer my theater as a test bed if it would help in any way.
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 21, 2019 10:52:51 GMT -5
Good to know the great progress is having with the RMC-1 Does the upcoming price hike affect RMC-1? Thanks I don't believe so. While we have to buy certain parts (because they are no longer made here), I don't think it impacted the cost enough to justify an increase. Lonnie |
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Post by Lonnie on Jun 21, 2019 11:22:05 GMT -5
I'm starting to get annoyed. And I don't annoy easily. 1. Emotiva can't create the audio drop outs but refuse to run the setup the way people are suggesting you to... I wouldn't be surprised at this point to find out you are not even running Atmos or DTSX when attempting to find the drop outs. And to make matters worse you have been offered devices from customers to test that have the issue!!!!
2. Emotiva engineers just found out that Atmos ceiling speakers are a thing... 3. I was told at Axpona 2019 (this year) that Atmos ceiling speakers are a matrixed source vs object based... WHAT!!!!! 4. The Audio dropouts have NOTHING to do with the bandwidth so STOP looking into it. WASTE OF TIME! Audio is usually the last thing to mess up if your bandwidth sucks. 5. Your Processors are wired "in phase" on the XLR outputs, but your Amps are wired "out of phase" on the XLR inputs... Seriously, what the heck is going on over there. I want to say a lot more, but then I would just be being a sarcastic Ahole. (And that is not who I am.) So I apologize if I am coming off harsh.
Allow me to clarify things. 1. The Mede8tor that we have is from Deewan and the files on it play perfectly here. No issues even with Deewan's original unit with his config file still in it. So we keep looking to see if there is some other interaction causing the issue. 2. Not sure what you mean by this unless you are referring to the Heights vs. Tops vs. Reflective. As the spec reads the Heights vs. Tops was a little vague and somewhat interchangeable but that has been corrected. 3. Not sure who told you this, but Atmos object channels are not discrete in the since of it having a direct I2S channel assignment, but they are discrete in that the information is embedded within the Metadata. Now if you are talking about DTSX, then it can only do 12 channels discretely and matrix's the rest. 5. Yes, you are correct and here is why. 15 years ago the first and second series of amps were wired to the EU standard which is now out of phase to the US standard. On many occasions we discussed changing this but decided not to because anyone who had older gear would run into problems. Better to keep things consistent especially since it doesn't matter as long as all the speakers are wired the same way. Hope this clarifies things. Lonnie |
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 21, 2019 11:45:03 GMT -5
I had not heard this before. Does it mean when using an XLR input on an Emo amp, the speaker polarities should be reversed? Or is that taken care of internally after the input connector?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 21, 2019 11:52:42 GMT -5
I had not heard this before. Does it mean when using an XLR input on an Emo amp, the speaker polarities should be reversed? Or is that taken care of internally after the input connector? Only if you’re a believer in ‘absolute phase’, which means if the original waveform hit your ear (or more correctly the mic) starting with a ‘positive’ pressure, the reproduced wave should also do that. For a while, audiophiles claimed they could hear the difference, and some companies even added ‘phase’ switches so you could switch the phase on both channels (now you’d need one for all channels). There are so many variables that it’s difficult to reproduce a recording knowing what’s correct, and it’s not audible. If you want to compensate for it, reverse ALL of your speaker cables (+ and -), or don’t worry about it. |
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Post by SOWK on Jun 21, 2019 12:06:11 GMT -5
Allow me to clarify things. 1. The Mede8tor that we have is from Deewan and the files on it play perfectly here. No issues even with Deewan's original unit with his config file still in it. So we keep looking to see if there is some other interaction causing the issue. 2. Not sure what you mean by this unless you are referring to the Heights vs. Tops vs. Reflective. As the spec reads the Heights vs. Tops was a little vague and somewhat interchangeable but that has been corrected. 3. Not sure who told you this, but Atmos object channels are not discrete in the since of it having a direct I2S channel assignment, but they are discrete in that the information is embedded within the Metadata. Now if you are talking about DTSX, then it can only do 12 channels discretely and matrix's the rest. 5. Yes, you are correct and here is why. 15 years ago the first and second series of amps were wired to the EU standard which is now out of phase to the US standard. On many occasions we discussed changing this but decided not to because anyone who had older gear would run into problems. Better to keep things consistent especially since it doesn't matter as long as all the speakers are wired the same way. Hope this clarifies things. Lonnie
1. Are you running 2160P or 1080P? Are you using Deewan's settings exactly?
2. Glad it has been corrected.
3. Glad you have an understanding of the Atmos metadata and how it works. The Emotiva rep I spoke to had no clue and almost made me want to return my RMC-1. Didn't even catch the name as I was so flabbergasted at the lack of knowledge about Atmos. TBH.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jun 21, 2019 12:13:48 GMT -5
I had not heard this before. Does it mean when using an XLR input on an Emo amp, the speaker polarities should be reversed? Or is that taken care of internally after the input connector? Only if you’re a believer in ‘absolute phase’, which means if the original waveform hit your ear starting with a ‘positive’ pressure, the reproduced wave should also do that. For a while, audiophiles claimed they could hear the difference, and some companies even added ‘phase’ switches so you could switch the phase on both channels (now you’d need one for all channels). There are so many variables that it’s difficult to reproduce a recording knowing what’s correct, and it’s not audible. If you want to compensate for it, reverse ALL of your speaker cables (+ and -), or don’t worry about it. I’ve known about this for quite some time now and it hasn’t had any adverse effects in my home theater, so I personally just don’t worry about it. |
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Post by SOWK on Jun 21, 2019 12:26:14 GMT -5
While I don't want to start a huge debate... If your (separately powered) Subs don't have a 180 switch to also make them out of phase, the Emotiva AMP's for the mains will have your main speakers fighting your sub-woofer at the speakers crossover points.
Many ways to fix though
1. make the sub amp out of phase too.
2. swap all the speaker wires around (+ to -) and (- to +) at the amp or speaker end (One end only).
3. buy XLR phase inverter adapters.
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Post by rbk123 on Jun 21, 2019 12:35:58 GMT -5
As well if you have a mix of unbalanced and XLR connected amps, then not all speaker/subs will be in phase. CJ preamps are phase reversed if I recall so it's not bad thing, just something to be aware of. To which I'm now curious if Emo's amps reverse the polarity internally for the balanced signal path or not. If it does then there's nothing one needs to do at the speaker terminals. If it doesn't than SOWK's list of possible actions sums things up nicely.
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Post by SOWK on Jun 21, 2019 12:39:42 GMT -5
As well if you have a mix of unbalanced and XLR connected amps, then not all speaker/subs will be in phase. CJ preamps are phase reversed if I recall so it's not bad thing, just something to be aware of. To which I'm now curious if the amp reverses the polarity internally for the balanced signal path or not. If it does then there's nothing one needs to do at the speaker terminals. If it doesn't than SOWK's list of possible actions sums things up nicely. If you have a pre-amp using (XLR outputs) that are out of phase and plug into an Emotiva Amp, Then you can wire the speaker cables normally at the amp and speaker end. Speakers will be in phase.
Just make sure you still 180 the sub to get that back in phase. LOL
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 21, 2019 12:49:54 GMT -5
As well if you have a mix of unbalanced and XLR connected amps, then not all speaker/subs will be in phase. CJ preamps are phase reversed if I recall so it's not bad thing, just something to be aware of. To which I'm now curious if the amp reverses the polarity internally for the balanced signal path or not. If it does then there's nothing one needs to do at the speaker terminals. If it doesn't than SOWK's list of possible actions sums things up nicely. Besides subs, some people mix speaker brands, not all brands may (for instance) have the cone move out when a positive voltage is applied to the positive terminal. So if you're mixing brands you should use a battery to test which way the cone moves when you put positive to positive, then attach your cables so that all the speakers move the same. There are also some test discs that let you check this, but depending on where you put your various brands, there may not be a test that makes this easy. This is of course unrelated to whatever is going on with the amp, as those channels will all be the same (for a given amp). |
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Post by SOWK on Jun 21, 2019 12:53:09 GMT -5
Bottom line... Make sure all your speakers are phased the same  Lets get back to the RMC-1 |
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