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Post by Percussionista on Apr 14, 2020 14:35:26 GMT -5
The already mentioned Blade Runner 2049 - I bring it up again because I was particularly struck with the great use of enveloping sound at times. Many movies just use the surround channels for subtle affects that help give it some 3D reality, but BR 2049 often was very powerful in all its channels. I "only" have a 5.1 system, but this was a stand-out disc. I appreciated the movie far more the second time I viewed it, putting everything better in context (what can I say, age == short-term memory not so good  ) |
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Post by garbulky on Oct 26, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -5
Just watched
Star Wars ep4 on 4kUHD bluray.
There's no doubt that this is a heck of a sharp transfer. I've watched every SW movie numerous times. Easily more than ten each. I was so surprised that I was seeing readily apparent details that I hadn't seen before. For instance all the wires in C3pos suit or the dirty scuff marks on his metallic body. A huge amount of detail really. I considered the recent Blu ray remaster to be excellent so I was really surprised by the additional detail. It's quite stunning that a movie so old can look so great. Really nice dark levels too.
Having said that.... in terms of the HDR, there wasn't any impressive "bright" segments. What this felt like was an analog film at extremely high and clean quality. There was also some beautiful film grain.
Some of the planet CGI that was added in revision later, does stick out as a sore thumb, not containing the resolution, the color, or the detail of the analog film transfer.
My second issue was that overall the picture is quite dark. It must have been graded for tv sets that could produce the HDR10 level of nits. So perhaps this transfer may look superb on newer or upcoming TV's like microled, but it wasn't as bright as my Bluray on my LG OLED.
Also I recently got Star Wars: The Force Awakens on 4k UHD Blu Ray.
I already owned the 3d blu ray version - which is FANTASTIC and so I was worried about wasting money on the 4k version.
I'm glad I did. The 4k version looks superb. It's a true demo disc. Star Wars has never looked clearer or more beautiful. Every bit of it is filled with hiogh dynamic range, brilliant color, and a superbly clear transfer. Only downside no IMAX framing! The sound is also outstanding. As you watch it, you'll notice that it's very similar in theme to the New Hope.
Both movies highly reccomended. I'm going to get Empire Strikes and may be return of the jedi.
I'm contemplating whether it will be worth purchasing Ep 1,2, and 3.
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 25, 2020 23:17:36 GMT -5
I won an eBay auction this past weekend for the "Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K" box set for $102(no digital codes), and received it today. After work, I immediately played the oldest episode IV: A New Hope, so I could see just how well the re-mastering of a movie made in 1977 would look in 4K and HDR10. Well I'm not disappointed, it definitely looks crisper with more definition, but without losing the grainy feel of 1977, and the whites and blacks add depth. The Dolby Atmos audio, is most certainly an improvement(especially if you have immersive channels) over the DTS-HD MA 6.1 track on the older 1080p bluray set(episodes I - VI). I also expect episodes V & VI to look nominally better and even better yet, episodes I - III(but not as good as episodes VII - IX).  |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 26, 2020 2:26:20 GMT -5
I won an eBay auction this past weekend for the "Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4K" box set for $102(no digital codes), and received it today. After work, I immediately played the oldest episode IV: A New Hope, so I could see just how well the re-mastering of a movie made in 1977 would look in 4K and HDR10. Well I'm not disappointed, it definitely looks crisper with more definition, but without losing the grainy feel of 1977, and the whites and blacks are add depth. The Dolby Atmos audio, is most certainly an improvement(especially if you have immersive channels) over the DTS-HD MA 6.1 track on the older 1080p bluray set(episodes I - VI). I also expect episodes V & VI to look nominally better and even better yet, episodes I - III(but not as good as episodes VII - IX). Let me know about I-III please. I heard it was filmed in 1080p so that's why I'm curious how much improvement the HDR does. I already have IV, 5, and 6. And it is indeed better than the previous masters. Also you might be interested in noticing that 4,5, and 6 actually do look a little sharper than 6, 7, and 8 even though 6,7, and 8 are also great quality. 6,7, and 8 excel tremendously in the HDR section while I thought 4,5, and 6 excelled in a very sharp transfer. |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 26, 2020 2:26:40 GMT -5
Contemplating buying the 4k LOTR set. Amazon has it for $90
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 26, 2020 9:38:12 GMT -5
Contemplating buying the 4k LOTR set. Amazon has it for $90 I preordered this a few weeks back. Looking forward to this as I really enjoy these 3 movies. If the remastering is top notch I’ll also get the 3 Hobbit movies as well. |
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Post by daveczski65 on Nov 26, 2020 9:59:34 GMT -5
I’ve been watching season 2 of “Jack Ryan” on Amazon, the video in HDR10 and Dolby Atmos(7.2.4 in my case) are the best I’ve seem while streaming. I just rewatched season 2 yesterday on my new LG OLED.Holy crap what a difference in HDR! Coming from a Samsung plasma. Its like a whole new world. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 26, 2020 11:49:17 GMT -5
Contemplating buying the 4k LOTR set. Amazon has it for $90 I preordered this a few weeks back. Looking forward to this as I really enjoy these 3 movies. If the remastering is top notch I’ll also get the 3 Hobbit movies as well. Anxious to hear how you like these, I have the Blu-ray set which looks and sounds great, but there are lots of opportunities for immersive audio to shine. |
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 26, 2020 12:23:56 GMT -5
I preordered this a few weeks back. Looking forward to this as I really enjoy these 3 movies. If the remastering is top notch I’ll also get the 3 Hobbit movies as well. Anxious to hear how you like these, I have the Blu-ray set which looks and sounds great, but there are lots of opportunities for immersive audio to shine. Bill Hunt (The Digital Bits) just received the LOTR set and has his “in process” review started HERE |
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 26, 2020 15:24:25 GMT -5
Anxious to hear how you like these, I have the Blu-ray set which looks and sounds great, but there are lots of opportunities for immersive audio to shine. Bill Hunt (The Digital Bits) just received the LOTR set and has his “in process” review started HERENow that I've read his review, I'm very much looking forward to these movies again, and I just went ahead and ordered "The Hobbit" movies as well. |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 30, 2020 1:07:23 GMT -5
I preordered this a few weeks back. Looking forward to this as I really enjoy these 3 movies. If the remastering is top notch I’ll also get the 3 Hobbit movies as well. Anxious to hear how you like these, I have the Blu-ray set which looks and sounds great, but there are lots of opportunities for immersive audio to shine. Bill Hunt (The Digital Bits) just received the LOTR set and has his “in process” review started HERENow that I've read his review, I'm very much looking forward to these movies again, and I just went ahead and ordered "The Hobbit" movies as well. Welp, I went ahead and ordered up ep 1,2,3 and Rogue one on 4k of SW. Now I've got every live action SW in 4k. And then went and ordered the extended LOTR and the hobbit in 4k! LOTR is already sold out (at $90 for the box set!) |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 30, 2020 10:14:52 GMT -5
I’ve previously mentioned that the UHD Harry Potter series has a great 4K picture and DTS:X audio, but the version I have is abridged and not the theatrical release. I didn’t know this when I bought these a couple years ago, but my wife and I have now watched them enough times that she can even tell me the scenes that are missing. I have the set pictured below, does anyone have a UHD Harry Potter Complete 8 disk set of the theatrical release? |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 30, 2020 10:18:07 GMT -5
I’ve previously mentioned that the UHD Harry Potter series has a great 4K picture and DTS:X audio, but the version I have is abridged and not the theatrical release. I didn’t know this when I bought these a couple years ago, but my wife and I have now watched them enough times that she can even tell me the scenes that are missing. I have the set pictured below, does anyone have a UHD Harry Potter Complete 8 disk set of the theatrical release?View AttachmentWhy on earth would they ABRIDGE IT?!? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 30, 2020 10:19:55 GMT -5
I’ve previously mentioned that the UHD Harry Potter series has a great 4K picture and DTS:X audio, but the version I have is abridged and not the theatrical release. I didn’t know this when I bought these a couple years ago, but my wife and I have now watched them enough times that she can even tell me the scenes that are missing. I have the set pictured below, does anyone have a UHD Harry Potter Complete 8 disk set of the theatrical release?View AttachmentWhy on earth would they ABRIDGE IT?!? My first thought was disk capacity, but I haven’t explored what the limitations of the media are, and where these films stand. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 30, 2020 11:42:08 GMT -5
Fitting a few more minutes on a disc, within reason, is never a real problem.
The h.265 compression used on 4k Blu-Ray discs is variable-rate, so you can always squeeze a little harder, and make a little bit more room. And, since it's already compressed at a ratio of around ten or twenty to one, a few more percent is really no big deal.
(The streaming services typically compress their content SEVERAL TIMES more than the compression used on discs... and it still looks OK.)
However, especially with first disc releases, they like to leave room for all sorts of "interesting and exciting" extras. And, of course, then they can sell the "theatrical release" again later... And then "the director's cut"... And then "the extended director's cut"... And then the "solid gold plated collector's edition"... And then the "really great, super duper, 28 disc collector's edition, with all the versions and all the extras"... (And here you thought all the magic took place in the movie...)
Why on earth would they ABRIDGE IT?!? My first thought was disk capacity, but I haven’t explored what the limitations of the media are, and where these films stand. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 30, 2020 12:32:39 GMT -5
I agree...
I have almost always considered film grain to be a flaw... (Which means that, for me, it usually ranges from "annoying" at worst to "not too annoying" at best.)
And the cases where I consider that it was used to advantage stylistically are few and far between. (I generally prefer my movies to look like "real life" rather than like "an old film".)
However at least some people must enjoy it... Because a great deal of effort has been devoted to software that deliberately adds "realistic film grain"...  (I've even seen it done in hardware... which is technologically quite interesting... although I fail to see the point.)
There's film grain because it was shot on film. Attack of the Clones was one of the first (if not the first) movies shot completely in digital in 2002. Prior to that, only certain parts of a film were shot in digital. When movies shot on film are scanned for home media release, they're scanned at a resolution comparable to the best format of the time. They will not re-scan the movie unless they think that they will get a return on their investment. An example would be when The Beatles "Help" was released. Each frame from the master print was cleaned and repaired, then scanned and color corrected for the release. This was very expensive! Godzilla (1998) was not well received and was considered a box office flop. It has not gained cult-status like other notable box office flops such as Fantasia or even Rocky Horror. Therefore it is highly unlikely that the studio has re-scanned the original print from the time that it was first scanned (which may have been for the DVD release). Just because it's on a new format does not mean that it is an improved picture. I totally understand what you mean. This one is obviously not taken from a good master. I too doubt that they cleaned repaired and color corrected it. Compare this one to the 4k release of the shining filmed in the 70's or even the 4k release of Wizard of Oz filmed in the 30's and the difference is obvious. Those have film grain but the picture is phenomenal and the grain doesn't detract too badly. You have great dense color with good depth and detail. Interestingly there are some titles like this Godzilla that appear to have worse "film grain" but it may simply be from poor mastering and be more noise than anything. It also may be a stylistic choice. The current 4k version of Godzilla age of monsters have purposefully bumpbed up film grain either purposefully added on digital or simply a stylistic choice if it was done on film - which I doubt. The same goes for Netflix's "Glow" which was filmed in very high res digital cameras. They purposefully digitally added film grain - which is a pity. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 30, 2020 23:51:57 GMT -5
I’ve previously mentioned that the UHD Harry Potter series has a great 4K picture and DTS:X audio, but the version I have is abridged and not the theatrical release. I didn’t know this when I bought these a couple years ago, but my wife and I have now watched them enough times that she can even tell me the scenes that are missing. I have the set pictured below, does anyone have a UHD Harry Potter Complete 8 disk set of the theatrical release?View AttachmentSo the "Harry Potter 8-Film Collection" you show above are "Abridged" versions? I too own this collection and just this weekend finished "the Half-Blood Prince" and was finally looking forward to "the Deathly Hallows Part 1 & 2", and now you are telling me I'm missing out on some original footage? I'm not overly disappointed, but I would have preferred to watch the full theatrical versions if this is indeed true. Now I'm only a little disappointed since the "Sorcerer's Stone" is somewhere between 6 to 7 min shorter. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just checked the film lengths of the 8-Film Collection I have compared to the 8 single 4K versions, source of this information is www.bluray.com. It appears the first film, "Sorcerer's Stone" is shorter than the "single 4K version". "Sorcerer's Stone" is 2:32.21 and the single 4K version is 159min(ie: 2:39), so these are not the same. "Chamber Of Secrets" is 2:40.58 and the single 4K version is 161min(ie: 2:41), so these are the same. "Prisoner Of Azkaban: is 2:21.42 and the single 4K version is 142min(ie: 2:22) so these are the same. "Goblet of Fire" is 2:37.05 and the single 4K version is 157min(ie: 2:37) so these are the same. "Order of the Phoenix" is 2:18.13 and the single 4K version is 139min(ie: 2:19) so these are probably the same. "Half Blood Prince" is 2:33.30 and the single 4K version is 153min(ie: 2:33) so these are the same. "Deathly Hallows I" is 2:26.05 and the single 4K version is 146min(ie: 2:26) so these are the same. "Deathly Hallows II" is 2:10.26 and the single 4K version is 130min(ie: 2:10) so these are the same. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 1, 2020 1:11:45 GMT -5
I’ve previously mentioned that the UHD Harry Potter series has a great 4K picture and DTS:X audio, but the version I have is abridged and not the theatrical release. I didn’t know this when I bought these a couple years ago, but my wife and I have now watched them enough times that she can even tell me the scenes that are missing. I have the set pictured below, does anyone have a UHD Harry Potter Complete 8 disk set of the theatrical release?View AttachmentSo the "Harry Potter 8-Film Collection" you show above are "Abridged" versions? I too own this collection and just this weekend finished "the Half-Blood Prince" and was finally looking forward to "the Deathly Hallows Part 1 & 2", and now you are telling me I'm missing out on some original footage? I'm not overly disappointed, but I would have preferred to watch the full theatrical versions if this is indeed true. Yes, not theatrical, but they’re still very enjoyable and you really have to know the material to know what’s missing (besides seeing them in the theatre we’ve had DVDs, Blu-rays, and now UHD — not to mention books and books on tape). The Deathly Hallows are two of the best, you’ll have a good time. Edit: Just saw your edit, I know we remember a missing scene from “Goblet of Fire”, also some of the Amazon reviews of this mention the missing material, some may have it detailed. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 1, 2020 3:12:37 GMT -5
So the "Harry Potter 8-Film Collection" you show above are "Abridged" versions? I too own this collection and just this weekend finished "the Half-Blood Prince" and was finally looking forward to "the Deathly Hallows Part 1 & 2", and now you are telling me I'm missing out on some original footage? I'm not overly disappointed, but I would have preferred to watch the full theatrical versions if this is indeed true. Yes, not theatrical, but they’re still very enjoyable and you really have to know the material to know what’s missing (besides seeing them in the theatre we’ve had DVDs, Blu-rays, and now UHD — not to mention books and books on tape). The Deathly Hallows are two of the best, you’ll have a good time. Edit: Just saw your edit, I know we remember a missing scene from “Goblet of Fire”, also some of the Amazon reviews of this mention the missing material, some may have it detailed. I'm wondering if this was a director's cut or extended edition that you saw previously on regular blu ray/dvd. This may be missing on the 4k version. |
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Post by bmoney187 on Dec 1, 2020 8:36:05 GMT -5
I have the 8 film collection in 4k and on sorcerer stone I have the option of extended or theatrical edition when I start it up. This is the only one with this option
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