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Post by billforesman on Nov 15, 2019 20:44:08 GMT -5
I've owned the XMC for several months and while I was impressed with the sound quality the inputs SUCK! It takes several seconds to change from one input to another AND the XBOX AND PS4 are REGULARLY not recognized which results IN NO PICTURE! Run everything through my TV and a SINGLE HDMI into the XMC and it all works FINE so the devices WORK! XMC SUCKS
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Post by garbulky on Nov 15, 2019 21:33:23 GMT -5
I've owned the XMC for several months and while I was impressed with the sound quality the inputs SUCK! It takes several seconds to change from one input to another AND the XBOX AND PS4 are REGULARLY not recognized which results IN NO PICTURE! Run everything through my TV and a SINGLE HDMI into the XMC and it all works FINE so the devices WORK! XMC SUCKS There is a fast boot setting on the XMC-1 where I believe everything is left "always on". I think that would help with the box and PS4 not being recognized. |
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Post by vcautokid on Nov 15, 2019 21:35:33 GMT -5
Yep what Garbulky says. I use the XMC-1 with my Sony UHD 4K works just fine. My computer with a GTX-2070 adapter works peachy too. Never had an issue with the XMC-1.
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Post by dimora on Nov 15, 2019 21:58:10 GMT -5
I had zero issues with my XMC until I did the HDMI 2.0b board upgrade. That slowed it down a lot. Audio quality was amazing.
Does yours have the HDMI 2.0b upgrade board installed? If so, that's why its slow. That board is terrible.
Sadly the RMC-1 has something similar and input switching is slow on it as well. "PLEASE WAIT" is annoying on the screen...but I put up with it because it sounds AMAZING...better than any other processor I've heard under 5 grand.
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 15, 2019 22:34:00 GMT -5
I had zero issues with my XMC until I did the HDMI 2.0b board upgrade. That slowed it down a lot. Audio quality was amazing. Does yours have the HDMI 2.0b upgrade board installed? If so, that's why its slow. That board is terrible. Sadly the RMC-1 has something similar and input switching is slow on it as well. "PLEASE WAIT" is annoying on the screen...but I put up with it because it sounds AMAZING...better than any other processor I've heard under 5 grand. That’s because they both are the same identical board. The RMC-1’s HDMI board is/was the XMC-1’s “upgrade”. |
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Post by emofrmcgy on Nov 15, 2019 22:51:03 GMT -5
I've owned the XMC for several months and while I was impressed with the sound quality the inputs SUCK! It takes several seconds to change from one input to another AND the XBOX AND PS4 are REGULARLY not recognized which results IN NO PICTURE! Run everything through my TV and a SINGLE HDMI into the XMC and it all works FINE so the devices WORK! XMC SUCKS It's your cables. The xmc is AWESOME. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 16, 2019 6:28:48 GMT -5
Yes, switching input takes forever, and IIRC, it's due to the copyright protection code in the XMC-1.
This is 100% my guess (not fact) - I have a hunch that Emotiva is being a LOT more aggressive in HDCP copyright enforcement than the competitors. This is based on a post by Lonnie quite a while ago who said that the board was very, very fast without the HDCP code.
Personally, I too have times where the screen is blank after an input switch. My solution is to flip back to Chromecast or Roku, let it lock, and then switch back. Sometimes, it's the LG TV that requires a power cycle too (it's certainly not just the Emotiva).
My #1 issue comes when I switch from a 4k HDR source to a 1080i or 720p (SDR) source. It almost never works, and I revert to the Chromecast trick (I have my Chromecast plugged directly into HDMI-7
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Post by billforesman on Nov 16, 2019 7:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, I have the upgraded board in this one and I agree it sounds great but this it's ridiculous to wait like that to switch between inputs. No, I've bought several cables for it which changes nothing. They either work or they don't. I also do NOT turn the XMC off at all because I really don't care if it uses power.
If this is the standard for the XMC and RMC you can def count me out of buying another one.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 16, 2019 10:07:00 GMT -5
I've owned the XMC for several months and while I was impressed with the sound quality the inputs SUCK! It takes several seconds to change from one input to another AND the XBOX AND PS4 are REGULARLY not recognized which results IN NO PICTURE! Run everything through my TV and a SINGLE HDMI into the XMC and it all works FINE so the devices WORK! XMC SUCKS Never had trouble with the XMC1 inputs in the 5 years it’s been tied into the system. What was the response you received from technical support? Bill |
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Post by creimes on Nov 16, 2019 10:46:01 GMT -5
Yes, I have the upgraded board in this one and I agree it sounds great but this it's ridiculous to wait like that to switch between inputs. No, I've bought several cables for it which changes nothing. They either work or they don't. I also do NOT turn the XMC off at all because I really don't care if it uses power. If this is the standard for the XMC and RMC you can def count me out of buying another one. Everyone has their own priorities and there is nothing wrong with that, you mention cable changes haven't changed anything so not sure if there is anything that would fix your sync issues. I still run the 1.4 HDMI board so maybe that`s why I don`t have any issues, but I have never had any input switching issues or have I noticed it being slow, I did have a Sherbourn PT-7020A that for some reason did not like to work well with my projector but worked fine with my TV, and I use a very good cable run to my projector ?? Sounds like something like a Marantz may be more up your alley, they seem to have better and faster HDMI switching and changes. Chad |
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Post by billforesman on Nov 21, 2019 11:58:23 GMT -5
I've owned the XMC for several months and while I was impressed with the sound quality the inputs SUCK! It takes several seconds to change from one input to another AND the XBOX AND PS4 are REGULARLY not recognized which results IN NO PICTURE! Run everything through my TV and a SINGLE HDMI into the XMC and it all works FINE so the devices WORK! XMC SUCKS Never had trouble with the XMC1 inputs in the 5 years it’s been tied into the system. What was the response you received from technical support? Bill Nada so far |
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Post by garbulky on Nov 21, 2019 12:06:35 GMT -5
Never had trouble with the XMC1 inputs in the 5 years it’s been tied into the system. What was the response you received from technical support? Bill Nada so far Did you email or call them? (This forum is made out of owners of Emotiva products but it is not a support forum.) |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 21, 2019 13:47:36 GMT -5
I think the difference too is viewing habits. We tend to watch a single source for the night, maybe Amazon Prime on AppleTV, so we boot to that and don’t switch inputs. Other nights maybe DirecTV for network shows and kinda stick there, or throw a disk on the Oppo. So for us, the few seconds for switching inputs is rarely encountered. If you tend to watch a variety of sources in one sitting, then I imagine the switching speed could get annoying.
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Post by creimes on Nov 21, 2019 13:52:14 GMT -5
It's pretty sad that life has become so fast paced that even the input switching time on our gear becomes a life altering problem haha, what is the switching time like 30 seconds ?? I mean my XMC-1 isn't instantaneous but the 3 seconds it takes doesn't cause me stress by any means.
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 21, 2019 13:52:55 GMT -5
I imagine if I was a manic input switcher with a short attention span the source switching time would be annoying, but in my house we might change inputs once per viewing session. So the couple of seconds it takes to swap from, say, the cable box to the ATV4K is not a big deal. In fact it’s no deal at all, plus it gives me time to adjust the volume for the different source, which is almost always required. Saves getting blasted out of the room when switching from a multi channel audio program on the ATV4K to a mono advertisement on the cable box.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by thrillcat on Nov 21, 2019 14:00:48 GMT -5
I think the difference too is viewing habits. We tend to watch a single source for the night, maybe Amazon Prime on AppleTV, so we boot to that and don’t switch inputs. Other nights maybe DirecTV for network shows and kinda stick there, or maybe a disk on the Oppo. So for us, the few seconds for switching inputs is rarely encountered. If you tend to watch a variety of sources then I imagine the switching speed could get annoying. I was the same way. I would fire up the theater with the Harmony app from upstairs a few minutes before we head down there. I never cared about the sync times when switching between inputs. That said, I completely understand the frustration for those who switch around a lot. However last night I connected my XMC-1’s replacement and I was amazed how quickly it locked on to incoming signals, even allowing the resync process of my JVC projector to happen more quickly. |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Nov 21, 2019 14:08:00 GMT -5
Hi kids,
We're working on improving the HDMI switching times.
The issue is DSD. We have to pause to make sure there is no DSD stream coming in. This takes a few seconds to confirm. We're going to add an option on the input set up page to tell the inputs if DSD is going to be accessed on a given input.
There is a reason behind everything; we don't so it to make you unhappy. We want fast switching, but we also don't want terrible noises and misidentified streams.
This change will result in a 3-4 second switching time improvement on non DSD enabled inputs.
Look for it in 1.8.
Cheers,
Big Dan
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Post by KeithL on Nov 21, 2019 14:15:09 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking.... our XMC-1 or RMC-1 may just not be for you.
During the design process we placed the highest priority on delivering great sound quality. Another goal was to deliver a clean video signal, without altering or degrading it in any way, and while complying with the current HDMI standards. And, after that, comes "getting it to work with all the other popular devices out there - even the ones that do completely comply with the standards".
(You might be surprised how many popular gadgets don't comply with the proper standards.)
And yet another goal was doing all that for significantly less than the price of a new economy car. One of the resulting compromising was that switching between inputs is a bit slower than we would have preferred. And, while we continue to work to improve switching speed if possible, it's never going to be lightning fast, and we feel that to be a worthwhile compromise.
I have a buddy who has to wait a full two minutes before he can drive his fancy sports car.
He thinks it's worth the wait because his car performs very well - and is a lot of fun to drive.
I would never be satisfied with that; I can drive my Nissan Versa the second after I turn the key. We all have different priorities.
Yes, I have the upgraded board in this one and I agree it sounds great but this it's ridiculous to wait like that to switch between inputs. No, I've bought several cables for it which changes nothing. They either work or they don't. I also do NOT turn the XMC off at all because I really don't care if it uses power. If this is the standard for the XMC and RMC you can def count me out of buying another one. Everyone has their own priorities and there is nothing wrong with that, you mention cable changes haven't changed anything so not sure if there is anything that would fix your sync issues. I still run the 1.4 HDMI board so maybe that`s why I don`t have any issues, but I have never had any input switching issues or have I noticed it being slow, I did have a Sherbourn PT-7020A that for some reason did not like to work well with my projector but worked fine with my TV, and I use a very good cable run to my projector ?? Sounds like something like a Marantz may be more up your alley, they seem to have better and faster HDMI switching and changes. Chad |
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 21, 2019 14:16:57 GMT -5
Hi kids, We're working on improving the HDMI switching times. The issue is DSD. We have to pause to make sure there is no DSD stream coming in. This takes a few seconds to confirm. We're going to add an option on the input set up page to tell the inputs if DSD is going to be accessed on a given input. There is a reason behind everything; we don't so it to make you unhappy. We want fast switching, but we also don't want terrible noises and misidentified streams. This change will result in a 3-4 second switching time improvement on non DSD enabled inputs. Look for it in 1.8. Cheers, Big Dan Not sure how many here actually stream DSD files or play SACD’s, but I for one will appreciate having this option as I just have no use for DSD.  |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 21, 2019 14:59:23 GMT -5
I'd bet that < 1% of users use DSD. I've tried it, but FLAC is fine for me.
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