HDSapper
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Post by HDSapper on Nov 21, 2019 15:11:18 GMT -5
I do have a few DSD files on a thumb drive, but I rarely listen to them. But for clarity, how would I need to set the input for a disc player that will play the occasional SACD?
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Post by KeithL on Nov 21, 2019 15:14:08 GMT -5
It should be a good solution for everyone...
Especially since most of the people who do listen to DSD do so from only one of their source devices.
Hi kids, We're working on improving the HDMI switching times. The issue is DSD. We have to pause to make sure there is no DSD stream coming in. This takes a few seconds to confirm. We're going to add an option on the input set up page to tell the inputs if DSD is going to be accessed on a given input. There is a reason behind everything; we don't so it to make you unhappy. We want fast switching, but we also don't want terrible noises and misidentified streams. This change will result in a 3-4 second switching time improvement on non DSD enabled inputs. Look for it in 1.8. Cheers, Big Dan Not sure how many here actually stream DSD files or play SACD’s, but I for one will appreciate having this option as I just have no use for DSD.  |
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Post by audiogeek on Nov 21, 2019 15:29:59 GMT -5
Plus, I’ve found that DSD converted to PCM and run thru Dirac sounds better anyway. DSD only works best if your system sounds best direct without any other processing.
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Post by HDSapper on Nov 21, 2019 15:37:12 GMT -5
Plus, I’ve found that DSD converted to PCM and run thru Dirac sounds better anyway. DSD only works best if your system sounds best direct without any other processing. So does this mean that I can set my player to output PCM from SACDs and take advantage of the future speed up for that input too? |
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Post by audiogeek on Nov 21, 2019 15:52:34 GMT -5
Plus, I’ve found that DSD converted to PCM and run thru Dirac sounds better anyway. DSD only works best if your system sounds best direct without any other processing. So does this mean that I can set my player to output PCM from SACDs and take advantage of the future speed up for that input too? I assume so, but I will defer to the experts to answer that. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 22, 2019 5:40:48 GMT -5
I listen to quite a lot of SACD’s with the Sony 4K BDP as the source. In fact it’s possible that I listen to more SACD’s than I watch 4K BD’s. The other inputs no problem in turning off DSD support from the menu.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by garbulky on Nov 22, 2019 10:19:02 GMT -5
I listen to quite a lot of SACD’s with the Sony 4K BDP as the source. In fact it’s possible that I listen to more SACD’s than I watch 4K BD’s. The other inputs no problem in turning off DSD support from the menu. Cheers Gary Interesting. I would never have guessed. What kind of SACD music do you play? Where do you purchase them from? |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 22, 2019 16:14:14 GMT -5
I listen to quite a lot of SACD’s with the Sony 4K BDP as the source. In fact it’s possible that I listen to more SACD’s than I watch 4K BD’s. The other inputs no problem in turning off DSD support from the menu Interesting. I would never have guessed. What kind of SACD music do you play? Where do you purchase them from? I don’t have a huge collection, I’ve never counted them maybe 40/50. Mostly from Amazon, Acoustic Sounds and sa-cd.net and a local JBHIFI who carries a few. Generally classic rock albums, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Billy Joel, Moody Blues, Fleetwood Mac, Santana, etc plus jazz and others Nora Jones, Dianna Krall etc. Cheers Gary |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 22, 2019 16:28:09 GMT -5
It should be a good solution for everyone...
Especially since most of the people who do listen to DSD do so from only one of their source devices.
Not sure how many here actually stream DSD files or play SACD’s, but I for one will appreciate having this option as I just have no use for DSD. Please make the default "No DSD" so the bulk of us that don't use it are required to change anything |
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Post by audiogeek on Nov 22, 2019 17:12:58 GMT -5
Interesting. I would never have guessed. What kind of SACD music do you play? Where do you purchase them from? I don’t have a huge collection, I’ve never counted them maybe 40/50. Mostly from Amazon, Acoustic Sounds and sa-cd.net and a local JBHIFI who carries a few. Generally classic rock albums, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Billy Joel, Moody Blues, Fleetwood Mac, Santana, etc plus jazz and others Nora Jones, Dianna Krall etc. Cheers Gary I have many of the same. I still like to use them for critical listening and evaluating equipment, but I’ve recently gotten some good hi res stuff off HDTracks. My current SOTA disk though is the Pure Audio Blu-ray of John Coltrane. Amazing remaster of a 1957 recording. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 22, 2019 17:31:26 GMT -5
Probably yes. As long as your player is willing and able to convert the output to PCM - then it is simply a PCM source.
(Virtually all players will output SACD content as either 24/88k or 24/176k PCM.)
Many modern players simply cannot play SACDs at all. However, most players that can play SACDs and DSD/DFF files, also have the option of converting them to PCM. (Many will do so automatically if they detect that your processor won't accept DSD.)
You will also find that many SACD discs, which sound different than their CD counterparts, retain that difference when converted to PCM
(Which strongly suggests that the difference is present in how they are mastered and is not specific to the DSD format.)
Note that many players cannot play DSD or SACDs at all. With one of those, if you play a Hybrid SACD, it will simply play the "Red Book CD layer" - which is 16/44k PCM like all other CDs.
But, if you put a "NON-Hybrid" disc (if an SACD doesn't say "Hybrid" then it probably is not), or a DSD or DFF file, into one of them, you will get nothing.
Also, if you didn't know, there is a hardware difference between SACD discs and ordinary discs that goes beyond the DSD data format. You can play DSD or DFF files on a computer, with the right software, because they're both simply file formats. However, in order to play SACD discs, a special disc drive is required, because the disc itself is slightly different.
The reason you can't play or RIP SACD discs on a computer is that regular drives cannot play them - and nobody sells computer-type SACD drives.
Plus, I’ve found that DSD converted to PCM and run thru Dirac sounds better anyway. DSD only works best if your system sounds best direct without any other processing. So does this mean that I can set my player to output PCM from SACDs and take advantage of the future speed up for that input too? |
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Post by vcautokid on Nov 22, 2019 20:35:26 GMT -5
I have a buddy who has to wait a full two minutes before he can drive his fancy sports car.
He thinks it's worth the wait because his car performs very well - and is a lot of fun to drive.
I would never be satisfied with that; I can drive my Nissan Versa the second after I turn the key.
We all have different priorities.
I love these old car myths and warm up. Even Vintage cars really do not need allot of time before they are drive worthy. That is false. Allot of people even do that on modern cars and that too is unnecessary. Wasting gas and idling for nothing. Sorry had to throw that one out there. But yeah, the XMC-1 may not be telepathic, but it does deliver the promise for allot of people. Will it be 100%? What do you think??!! What A/V device is 100% telepathic in response. Not too many if any. It is a computer folks. Chillax!!
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Post by billforesman on Nov 27, 2019 9:50:56 GMT -5
If it takes several seconds to switch from one input to another then YES Emotiva products are not for me. I've never run into such a thing, ever. Perhaps the better option is to learn why other systems do NOT have this problem!
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 27, 2019 9:52:47 GMT -5
Shoot - It takes about 20 seconds to switch from DirecTV to AppleTV or Roku. Sometimes it takes 40 seconds.
It's horrendous.
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Post by thrillcat on Nov 27, 2019 10:44:32 GMT -5
Shoot - It takes about 20 seconds to switch from DirecTV to AppleTV or Roku. Sometimes it takes 40 seconds. It's horrendous. Switching wasn’t a deal-breaker for me, though I have noticed that the Anthem switches MUCH faster and locks on almost immediately. It’s about a second to a second and a half. 95% of the time, though, I only use a single input per session in the theater. My remote has turned everything on and automatically selected the desired input before I’m even in the room. But, while setting up the Anthem, I was amazed at how quickly it switched. |
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 27, 2019 11:46:08 GMT -5
Shoot - It takes about 20 seconds to switch from DirecTV to AppleTV or Roku. Sometimes it takes 40 seconds. It's horrendous. Switching wasn’t a deal-breaker for me, though I have noticed that the Anthem switches MUCH faster and locks on almost immediately. It’s about a second to a second and a half. 95% of the time, though, I only use a single input per session in the theater. My remote has turned everything on and automatically selected the desired input before I’m even in the room. But, while setting up the Anthem, I was amazed at how quickly it switched. Switching is for sure not a strength of the RMC-1. I do think 20 seconds seems much longer than when I switch. If I switch inputs from say apple TV to Xbox I think it's about 7-10 seconds. I'll time it today for fun. |
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Post by wilburthegoose on Nov 27, 2019 19:18:57 GMT -5
It takes forever when I go from HDR to non-SDR input source.
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Post by davidl81 on Nov 27, 2019 19:30:36 GMT -5
It takes forever when I go from HDR to non-SDR input source. Just timed it three times and it takes me 13.5 seconds to go from hdmi 1 (apple tv 4K playing hdr) to hdmi 3 (x box x in Sdr). This is just jumping from the input 1 button to the input 3 button. If hitting input up twice it is much slower. |
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Post by creimes on Nov 27, 2019 19:35:05 GMT -5
It takes forever when I go from HDR to non-SDR input source. Just timed it three times and it takes me 13.5 seconds to go from hdmi 1 (apple tv 4K playing hdr) to hdmi 3 (x box x in Sdr). This is just jumping from the input 1 button to the input 3 button. If hitting input up twice it is much slower. So because of DSD these times are this high, I'm most likely keeping my XMC-1 anyhow as it's about $1500 for me to get the XMC-2 and I have zero need for 4K or Atmos, the offer is good enough though that I really want to swap up but still on the fence and funds are non existent anyhow lol. |
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 27, 2019 19:35:42 GMT -5
Don't worry, Dan will come on with another "Hi kids," post on switching and it'll all be good.
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