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Post by novisnick on Feb 29, 2020 20:18:36 GMT -5
Just some thoughts here... today I saw a meme which was a good reminder: "2002 - West Nile virus will kill us all.
2004 - SARS will kill us all.
2005 - Bird flu will kill us all.
2009 - Swine flu will kill us all.
2014 - Ebola will kill us all.
2016 - Zika will kill us all."
On top of that, don't forget how Y2K would cripple the entire world, bringing us to a crashing standstill. And don't forget about Mad Cow disease. Well, it did affect Denny Crane so I have to allow for that. People like to latch onto things and those things start gathering momentum at an exponential rate - not the "things" themselves, but the talk about them. As more people jump on the bandwagon, others figure they had better get on too, so they won't look stupid being left behind. And the more who are on board, the more it must be something credible. Like that's why people had to buy Talking Elmo or Cabbage Patch Kids, because everyone else was buying them. There's safety in numbers. Then there's the Dutch tulip craze. And the world's gonna end in 12 years (and think of how the world was supposed to have already ended how many times by now?). Now I'm not saying that the Corona Virus isn't legit and that we shouldn't be concerned about it, but let's not stop drinking Corona beer and doing other irrational things. The best path is to be prudent and take precautions like you ought to be doing anyway, since the flu is still going around and that's pretty deadly as well. Just use common sense and don't let panic, opportunists or irrationality take over. Don't get afflicted with CLS (Chicken Little Syndrome) The sure end of us all, Zombies!
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Post by klinemj on Feb 29, 2020 20:31:54 GMT -5
My financial firm had an expert in disease propagation on a recent webcast. She said this one will pass, but expect others occurring again more frequently than in the past.
What's happening in the market is a good reason to keep a balanced portfolio and keep a few years "Cash" on hand in case of prolonged downturns.
I got lucky this time and sold most of this year's "chunk" of equities I needed to shed just prior to the downturn. Doing so avoided a loss I wanted to avoid.
Mark
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Post by DavidR on Feb 29, 2020 20:42:52 GMT -5
The sure end of us all, Zombies!
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 2, 2020 7:13:55 GMT -5
The sure end of us all, Zombies!
I always wondered what EmoFest looked like...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 8:45:23 GMT -5
Just some thoughts here... today I saw a meme which was a good reminder: "2002 - West Nile virus will kill us all.
2004 - SARS will kill us all.
2005 - Bird flu will kill us all.
2009 - Swine flu will kill us all.
2014 - Ebola will kill us all.
2016 - Zika will kill us all."
On top of that, don't forget how Y2K would cripple the entire world, bringing us to a crashing standstill. And don't forget about Mad Cow disease. Well, it did affect Denny Crane so I have to allow for that. People like to latch onto things and those things start gathering momentum at an exponential rate - not the "things" themselves, but the talk about them. As more people jump on the bandwagon, others figure they had better get on too, so they won't look stupid being left behind. And the more who are on board, the more it must be something credible. Like that's why people had to buy Talking Elmo or Cabbage Patch Kids, because everyone else was buying them. There's safety in numbers. Then there's the Dutch tulip craze. And the world's gonna end in 12 years (and think of how the world was supposed to have already ended how many times by now?). Now I'm not saying that the Corona Virus isn't legit and that we shouldn't be concerned about it, but let's not stop drinking Corona beer and doing other irrational things. The best path is to be prudent and take precautions like you ought to be doing anyway, since the flu is still going around and that's pretty deadly as well. Just use common sense and don't let panic, opportunists or irrationality take over. Don't get afflicted with CLS (Chicken Little Syndrome) Good advice. The swine flu of course did not kill everyone, only about a quarter of a million people worldwide, but it's fatality rate was a small fraction of a percent and was higher for people under 65. At the swine flu level of worldwide infection (16%) and a fatality rate of 1-2%, coronavirus would only kill 10-20 million people, which is only about a fifth of the number killed by the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic. However, that 1-2% is an overall number, and this flu seems to like old people, especially those with other health problems, in other words people like those who live in nursing homes, or AUDIOPHILES, so the fatality rate for old sick people would be higher. Given the number of such folk on the lounge, such as me, here are some blanks to fill in: ___ ___ ___.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 16:50:43 GMT -5
Four more die in Washington State ----- COVID-19
Just announced 12:15pm, Monday that 4 more at Evergreen hospital, Kirkland, WA have died, total now of 6 deaths. We live only about 17 miles away. I think all 6 were residents at a local nursing/assisted living facility. Our local Costco is a mess with hoards shopping yesterday and today. I was there yesterday but went back home, amazingly long lines. I went back again this morning prior to opening and got some items with still quite long lines, about one hour, not bad. Many folks stocking up on water, toilet paper, etc.
No panic here but Noriko is tentatively going to Japan next week to help care for her ill mother. She has emphysema from years of smoking plus lung damage from her previous cancer. I'm in my 6th year of CHF (Congestive Heart Failure) with lungs operating well below 100%. Thus we are both more prone to developing pneumonia if we catch this virus.
According to medical experts: No masks wearing unless we get the virus. However, we do wear disposable nitrile exam gloves whenever we leave the house and change as needed when out and about.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 2, 2020 18:01:25 GMT -5
The sure end of us all, Zombies!
I always wondered what EmoFest looked like... Nailed it, but with really good music, 👍
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Post by DYohn on Mar 2, 2020 18:57:50 GMT -5
I'm drinking a lot of Coronas, to keep the virus at bay, lol....ok, so seriously, just the same old, keeping an eye on things, doing the obvious, experts are saying it's going to hit around 70% of the Earth population but most will be fine...depends on age and hygiene... The Chinese are the experts on this. They created it in a lab and set it loose. That is a conspiracy theory myth.
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Post by Jean Genie on Mar 2, 2020 20:40:44 GMT -5
The Chinese are the experts on this. They created it in a lab and set it loose. That is a conspiracy theory myth. ... which is potentially more insidious and dangerous.
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 5, 2020 3:58:02 GMT -5
I've got to do a conference call today about whether or not to cancel a safety conference scheduled for the middle of April. Many of the organizers and attendees would have to come by air from other states, and the epidemiology of this coronavirus is questionable due to the total lack of detection kits. Since there is no reliable information on the disease, I'm likely to have to make a decision without reliable facts. Even if the committee opts to proceed with the conference, will the attendees, speakers, and vendors cancel anyway? There's no way to know.
So ultimately, it's a risk / benefit decision. All the good done by the conference isn't worth the life of a single attendee. Unless I hear compelling arguments to the contrary, I'm most likely going to vote to cancel the conference. Is this too much caution? With no evidence either way, caution may not be economically popular, but from a safety and health standpoint it is prudent. I'll soon have to make a similar vote on an international conference with an order of magnitude greater attendance.
And on a personal basis, I'm scheduled to speak at both conferences. Should I risk it? I'm the "target demographic" for the highest fatality rates among those who do catch coronavirus. My wife is already encouraging me to skip both engagements.
There may be no good choices, and as you might note from the time of this posting, I am losing some sleep over it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 5:05:11 GMT -5
I've got to do a conference call today about whether or not to cancel a safety conference scheduled for the middle of April. Many of the organizers and attendees would have to come by air from other states, and the epidemiology of this coronavirus is questionable due to the total lack of detection kits. Since there is no reliable information on the disease, I'm likely to have to make a decision without reliable facts. Even if the committee opts to proceed with the conference, will the attendees, speakers, and vendors cancel anyway? There's no way to know. So ultimately, it's a risk / benefit decision. All the good done by the conference isn't worth the life of a single attendee. Unless I hear compelling arguments to the contrary, I'm most likely going to vote to cancel the conference. Is this too much caution? With no evidence either way, caution may not be economically popular, but from a safety and health standpoint it is prudent. I'll soon have to make a similar vote on an international conference with an order of magnitude greater attendance. And on a personal basis, I'm scheduled to speak at both conferences. Should I risk it? I'm the "target demographic" for the highest fatality rates among those who do catch coronavirus. My wife is already encouraging me to skip both engagements.There may be no good choices, and as you might note from the time of this posting, I am losing some sleep over it... Boom if you see my post above you will see we both are also in the high risk demographics category. We have been watching on TV, both US and Japanese about COVID-19. Seattle currently is the most affected area in the US. There is growing information daily about the virus, precautions, treatment, test kits and how the disease is transmitted. I had a blood test Tuesday for my Coumadin Protime/INR level by a nurse who started coughing while seeing me. She promptly left the room and returned 10 minutes later wearing a mask and quickly sanitized the table where I was sitting. She repeatedly apologized. It wasn't until I left the office that it began to concern me. I am now checking myself frequently for a rising temperature over 100.5 and any other initial symptoms. I empathize with your concerns from your comments above. I can understand the conflicting thoughts for canceling/skipping the conference and possible economic issues on the other hand. I would have to lean to the opinion of your wife, your comment about most likely cancelling and thus make your personal safety the priority. All the best to you in this difficult decision. Chuck
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Post by cwmcobra on Mar 5, 2020 7:51:34 GMT -5
If I had a vote, it would be to cancel simply based on an abundance of caution. And I'm aware of a couple of US and international companies that have in the last week cancelled scheduled corporation conferences and in one case, banned all travel. Emphasis on ALL, even by car from location to location in this country.
Yes, there will be economic implications to hotels, restaurants, airlines, travel companies, cruise lines, etc. But that impact pales in comparison to the potential risks involved in meeting.
My $0.02 on the subject. I too am in the high risk category....
Another Chuck
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 5, 2020 8:10:17 GMT -5
So far the data is showing that the risk is higher for the older population and especially for those who have lung related issues. This could change, but from what I've been reading, that people who are normally healthy it can range from like having a cold or the flu.
Last night one of the Diamond Princess passengers who is quarantied now conducted an interview and said that he experienced an initial fever of 103 which has since gone away. other than that he said that it felt like he just had a cold. He was relatively healthy and looked like an older guy.
Better safe than sorry. We should all be taking precautions like washing hands frequently, not touching our faces unless we have washed our hands, and to stay away from people who are coughing or sneezing. This should be a routine we all follow regardless of the current virus. No one likes having a regular cold or the flu or this latest nastiness.
I'm hoping that it goes away as the flu does when Spring arrives and the warm weather comes.
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Post by mfeust on Mar 5, 2020 9:00:31 GMT -5
I vote cancel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 10:20:36 GMT -5
Given the history of the spread so far, this thing seems to have a significant incubation period when others can be easily infected without having symptoms oneself, so traveling from/to other states could have consequences for many people other than the immediate conference attendees. For the good of the herd, cancel. This would be especially problematic for international travel, regardless of the cheap air fares that are going to be popping up soon.
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 5, 2020 11:50:03 GMT -5
I've got to do a conference call today about whether or not to cancel a safety conference scheduled for the middle of April. Many of the organizers and attendees would have to come by air from other states, and the epidemiology of this coronavirus is questionable due to the total lack of detection kits. Since there is no reliable information on the disease, I'm likely to have to make a decision without reliable facts. Even if the committee opts to proceed with the conference, will the attendees, speakers, and vendors cancel anyway? There's no way to know. So ultimately, it's a risk / benefit decision. All the good done by the conference isn't worth the life of a single attendee. Unless I hear compelling arguments to the contrary, I'm most likely going to vote to cancel the conference. Is this too much caution? With no evidence either way, caution may not be economically popular, but from a safety and health standpoint it is prudent. I'll soon have to make a similar vote on an international conference with an order of magnitude greater attendance. And on a personal basis, I'm scheduled to speak at both conferences. Should I risk it? I'm the "target demographic" for the highest fatality rates among those who do catch coronavirus. My wife is already encouraging me to skip both engagements. There may be no good choices, and as you might note from the time of this posting, I am losing some sleep over it... Well after all, it IS a SAFETY conference. So be prudent and safe. You can always reschedule. Years from now I doubt there will be any significant regrets about postponing the conference but there will be regrets if anyone is affected by the virus. Besides that, on the other end like you said, many will probably choose not to attend anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2020 14:20:43 GMT -5
Two of the big companies based in the Seattle area, Microsoft and Amazon, have recommended that employees work from home if possible. The local nursing home in nearby Kirkland which had 39 cases yesterday is reporting 70 cases today. This is the facility that has experienced the 10 deaths so far. Obviously this virus is very contagious in a fairly confined situation. Our state insurance commission has allowed people to go out of network doctors and clinics if necessary with expanded insurance coverage thru May. Availability of test kits is quickly being increased. Many local schools are closed and numerous events are being cancelled or delayed.
My wife leaves for Japan on Tuesday and she is staying home until we head to the airport. I am making any necessary trips out of the house in the meantime.
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 7, 2020 18:58:12 GMT -5
Two of the big companies based in the Seattle area, Microsoft and Amazon, have recommended that employees work from home if possible. The local nursing home in nearby Kirkland which had 39 cases yesterday is reporting 70 cases today. This is the facility that has experienced the 10 deaths so far. Obviously this virus is very contagious in a fairly confined situation. Our state insurance commission has allowed people to go out of network doctors and clinics if necessary with expanded insurance coverage thru May. Availability of test kits is quickly being increased. Many local schools are closed and numerous events are being cancelled or delayed. My wife leaves for Japan on Tuesday and she is staying home until we head to the airport. I am making any necessary trips out of the house in the meantime. Here in NY, we’re getting the home PC ready (as ordered) to potentially work from home. We’ve got a community center across the street from our block. They have canceled everything. This morning they had a crew In there scrubbing 🧽 everything down
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Post by DavidR on Mar 8, 2020 9:39:57 GMT -5
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 9, 2020 13:17:18 GMT -5
Well, despite not wanting to do so for political reasons, the World Health Organization today designated COVID-19 a pandemic. And if you think that they’re chicken little...
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