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Post by selind40 on May 25, 2021 16:39:45 GMT -5
Be careful out there....they still upset about everything! |
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Post by chops on May 25, 2021 17:03:17 GMT -5
405x5 IF... You don't believe in expensive cables, fine. You don't believe they make a sound difference, fine. You have never heard a difference in cables, fine. You think it's just all in my head, fine. Do me and everyone else a favor and keep it to yourself. Don't come on here preaching to me, attempting to reason with me and talk me into your way of thinking. I don't want to hear it, period. Go back and read… All I said was carpeting would help immeasurably and those wires help nothing. Have you tried carpeting or room treatment in there? ….And when someone posts pictures there is ALWAYS an assumption that they’re open for commentary. Surely you couldn’t post a shot of a garden hose running to a stereo and not expect someone to ask you about it. That said what did you hear that was different and what about the wiring that runs to the outlet behind that wall? I don't have to go back and read. I read it fine the first time. All I use are open baffle, planar, or horn speakers, all of which have minimal side wall and floor/ceiling interaction, so the large plush area rug I have is more than enough floor covering in this room. Further room treatments will come eventually. I'm glad you "think" the wires help nothing. And in case you didn't notice, that single garden hose cable is supplying power to the entire system. The original wiring in the wall to that outlet was upgraded a year ago with a dedicated 12/2 Romex line going to its own separate breaker box 25' away, and terminated with a PS Audio Power Port outlet. |
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Post by chops on May 25, 2021 17:06:12 GMT -5
Not hardly. Speak for yourself. I'm too old to be compared to that same group of clowns. Nor do I use that young punk terminology. |
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Post by selind40 on May 25, 2021 18:36:11 GMT -5
Not hardly. Speak for yourself. I'm too old to be compared to that same group of clowns. Nor do I use that young punk terminology. Wasn't comparing you to anything or anyone? Did I quote your post? Nope.......have a nice night Mr. Chops. |
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Post by pedrocols on May 25, 2021 20:08:52 GMT -5
So many experts here....Pathetic...🙄
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Post by 405x5 on May 25, 2021 22:18:30 GMT -5
No one should take this stuff personally, but this picture actually IS a prime example of “audio foolery” at it’s very best. So far, I haven’t heard anyone make mention of the beyond ludicrous “cable elevators”. (good luck opening the door). Those individuals who get sucker punched into these items believe that collectively, they make “a difference”…..The ONLY truth is….they make none. Bill  |
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Post by chops on May 26, 2021 5:46:53 GMT -5
No one should take this stuff personally, but this picture actually IS a prime example of “audio foolery” at it’s very best. So far, I haven’t heard anyone make mention of the beyond ludicrous “cable elevators”. (good luck opening the door). Those individuals who get sucker punched into these items believe that collectively, they make “a difference”…..The ONLY truth is….they make none. Bill View AttachmentI like how you keep assuming things about my system. The door never gets used, whether the system is there or not. The cable insulators are NOT for sound. It makes for vacuuming around them easier, bit to mention a few of them are nearly 100 years old. Now are you going to continue picking apart my system or are you going to shut up about it now? If you want to keep going, because there's PLENTY I can pick at about your system, so don't get me started. And I do mean plenty. |
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Post by housetech on May 26, 2021 11:20:56 GMT -5
I must say, the Klipsch RP-8000F got good reviews. (Andrew Robinson likes them too) View AttachmentIt’s good that you brought up Andrew Robinson…In his most recent video, he had something to say about exotic wiring. oh, you mean this- When I bought my first 5.1 complete system, I got "sold" nearly $700 in magical custom cables. For all the $ I saved buying a "complete system", it was lost on cables. Still got them- wanna buy 'em, make ya a deal? They're pretty.- even have an arrow for signal direction. lol btw, they are some of the finest cables you never heard. |
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Post by 405x5 on May 26, 2021 12:26:02 GMT -5
It’s good that you brought up Andrew Robinson…In his most recent video, he had something to say about exotic wiring. oh, you mean this- When I bought my first 5.1 complete system, I got "sold" nearly $700 in magical custom cables. For all the $ I saved buying a "complete system", it was lost on cables. Still got them- wanna buy 'em, make ya a deal? They're pretty.- even have an arrow for signal direction. lol btw, they are some of the finest cables you never heard. Yes….that’s the one ☝️! I have to say my “stock” in Andrew dropped somewhat when he “admitted” to falling victim to the 5K HDMI. I have to believe there’s more to that story than he admitted to in the video. I’ve got a few of those “directional” cables. Some are Monsters that I grabbed from Circuit City (remember them?) when I first put the HT together for amp/preamp RCA. No big money…maybe just a tad higher than their mono price counterparts and also saved me running around time. Another one meter pair I bought a few years before that and paid 175.00 bucks for them. For my part, I paid that so this guy Pete in The sound room could get some commission. I was taking gear in and out of that place on consignment in order to evaluate and separate fact from fiction with my own two ears. He was so no pressure helpful that I started to feel bad and wanted to do something for him. One piece was a California Audio Labs CD player with a tube analog section. The only difference I could hear was no sound at all until the tube heated sufficiently for the audio to kick in. That unit retailed for 1400.00. Sometime later, I came across a 75 dollar player in SEARS that had the identical remote that came with the exotica player. |
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Post by monkumonku on May 26, 2021 12:35:12 GMT -5
oh, you mean this- When I bought my first 5.1 complete system, I got "sold" nearly $700 in magical custom cables. For all the $ I saved buying a "complete system", it was lost on cables. Still got them- wanna buy 'em, make ya a deal? They're pretty.- even have an arrow for signal direction. lol btw, they are some of the finest cables you never heard. Yes….that’s the one ☝️! I have to say my “stock” in Andrew dropped somewhat when he “admitted” to falling victim to the 5K HDMI. I have to believe there’s more to that story than he admitted to in the video. I’ve got a few of those “directional” cables. Some are Monsters that I grabbed from Circuit City (remember them?) when I first put the HT together for amp/preamp RCA. No big money…maybe just a tad higher than their mono price counterparts and also saved me running around time. Another one meter pair I bought a few years before that and paid 175.00 bucks for them. For my part, I paid that so this guy Pete in The sound room could get some commission. I was taking gear in and out of that place on consignment in order to evaluate and separate fact from fiction with my own two ears. He was so no pressure helpful that I started to feel bad and wanted to do something for him. One piece was a California Audio Labs CD player with a tube analog section. The only difference I could hear was no sound at all until the tube heated sufficiently for the audio to kick in. That unit retailed for 1400.00. Sometime later, I came across a 75 dollar player in SEARS that had the identical remote that came with the exotica player. If there is a way to differentiate your product (i.e., try and justify charging more for it) then people will do it. Like with cables. If you run out of fancy materials to tout, then put arrows on the sleeves to indicate the direction. One thing I've yet to see though is an RCA/coax cable that has a small marker or dot on the connector to indicate that the dot should be facing upwards when plugged into the component (both ends of the cable would have these dots so that the electrons flowing through them would be in synch and not get disoriented). Or a torque adjusting tool for locking banana plugs to make sure they are tightened the exact right amount. You can't leave something like that to hand adjustment and human error but a torque adjuster will make sure the plugs have been tightened to an optimum level that best facilitates the signal from the amp flowing in a maximum way to the speaker. |
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Post by 405x5 on May 26, 2021 12:50:56 GMT -5
Yes….that’s the one ☝️! I have to say my “stock” in Andrew dropped somewhat when he “admitted” to falling victim to the 5K HDMI. I have to believe there’s more to that story than he admitted to in the video. I’ve got a few of those “directional” cables. Some are Monsters that I grabbed from Circuit City (remember them?) when I first put the HT together for amp/preamp RCA. No big money…maybe just a tad higher than their mono price counterparts and also saved me running around time. Another one meter pair I bought a few years before that and paid 175.00 bucks for them. For my part, I paid that so this guy Pete in The sound room could get some commission. I was taking gear in and out of that place on consignment in order to evaluate and separate fact from fiction with my own two ears. He was so no pressure helpful that I started to feel bad and wanted to do something for him. One piece was a California Audio Labs CD player with a tube analog section. The only difference I could hear was no sound at all until the tube heated sufficiently for the audio to kick in. That unit retailed for 1400.00. Sometime later, I came across a 75 dollar player in SEARS that had the identical remote that came with the exotica player. If there is a way to differentiate your product (i.e., try and justify charging more for it) then people will do it. Like with cables. If you run out of fancy materials to tout, then put arrows on the sleeves to indicate the direction. One thing I've yet to see though is an RCA/coax cable that has a small marker or dot on the connector to indicate that the dot should be facing upwards when plugged into the component (both ends of the cable would have these dots so that the electrons flowing through them would be in synch and not get disoriented). Or a torque adjusting tool for locking banana plugs to make sure they are tightened the exact right amount. You can't leave something like that to hand adjustment and human error but a torque adjuster will make sure the plugs have been tightened to an optimum level that best facilitates the signal from the amp flowing in a maximum way to the speaker. Rest assured someone will make this pipe dream a reality soon enough. Back when HDMI hit the scene I dreamed about snake oil biting the dust because there are standards to adhere to. Instead, those very same standards made it more confusing than ever. |
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Post by 405x5 on May 26, 2021 12:56:53 GMT -5
So many experts here....Pathetic...🙄 “Pathetic” experts are an essential part in all of this |
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Post by housetech on May 26, 2021 13:27:13 GMT -5
Heard a rumor that S-Video is making a come-back and I have the high end "magical custom cables" (1 & 2 meter with arrows) that will make you the envy of your hood.
I will admit those cable can run parallel & tywrapped to anything without noise induction. I still use the Coax & RCA.
HDMI-
Can we all agree there should be a standard that all HDMI cables MUST have the specs, version and frequency, printed on the darn thing?! grrr.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 13:28:06 GMT -5
Yes….that’s the one ☝️! I have to say my “stock” in Andrew dropped somewhat when he “admitted” to falling victim to the 5K HDMI. I have to believe there’s more to that story than he admitted to in the video. I’ve got a few of those “directional” cables. Some are Monsters that I grabbed from Circuit City (remember them?) when I first put the HT together for amp/preamp RCA. No big money…maybe just a tad higher than their mono price counterparts and also saved me running around time. Another one meter pair I bought a few years before that and paid 175.00 bucks for them. For my part, I paid that so this guy Pete in The sound room could get some commission. I was taking gear in and out of that place on consignment in order to evaluate and separate fact from fiction with my own two ears. He was so no pressure helpful that I started to feel bad and wanted to do something for him. One piece was a California Audio Labs CD player with a tube analog section. The only difference I could hear was no sound at all until the tube heated sufficiently for the audio to kick in. That unit retailed for 1400.00. Sometime later, I came across a 75 dollar player in SEARS that had the identical remote that came with the exotica player. Or a torque adjusting tool for locking banana plugs to make sure they are tightened the exact right amount. You can't leave something like that to hand adjustment and human error but a torque adjuster will make sure the plugs have been tightened to an optimum level that best facilitates the signal from the amp flowing in a maximum way to the speaker. Something like this would work, 3/8 or 1/2 inch crowsfoot wrench sets which attach to ratchet or torque wrenches: www.amazon.com/dp/B0942GG1JF/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?_encoding=UTF8&aaxitk=9b0146af84cb0e5f53e26a98920d490b&hsa_cr_id=9929160250401&pd_rd_plhdr=t&pd_rd_r=42bca760-861d-42b2-8369-c815edf0dc5d&pd_rd_w=ba9oU&pd_rd_wg=ABZoq&ref_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_1_imgHere's an universal approach if you didn't want specialty tooling: www.amazon.com/Yellow-Jacket-Digital-Adjustable-Torque/dp/B071G3YRBY/ref=sr_1_10?dchild=1&keywords=wrench+for+torque+wrench&qid=1622053655&s=power-hand-tools&sr=1-10 |
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Post by monkumonku on May 26, 2021 13:33:15 GMT -5
Too late, already got those.  |
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Post by housetech on May 26, 2021 13:53:29 GMT -5
Too late, already got those. Me too & didn't pay $150, holy s... must be Snap-on's platinum series. 3-Year Protection for $65.99 |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 14:17:19 GMT -5
Too late, already got those. Me too & didn't pay $150, holy s... must be Snap-on's platinum series. 3-Year Protection for $65.99 If one wanted to use a torque wrench on the amp connector lugs then they'll definitely need a torque wrench measured in inches rather than foot pounds. I have one .... not a bad idea actually. Not for any sonic difference but to keep them from being over or under tightened. Usually I just finger tight as much as I can before my fingers fail me. |
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Post by pedrocols on May 26, 2021 15:46:09 GMT -5
So many experts here....Pathetic...🙄 “Pathetic” experts are an essential part in all of this Should have said "self made experts."  |
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Post by housetech on May 26, 2021 16:18:58 GMT -5
Back to the thread topic of 2-ch. When I got my first surround system, I tested it with the Denon amp L-R output to the M.A. sub, then out to the M.A. bookshelves. It was the best those speakers & sub ever sounded. Paul McGowan @ PSAudio strongly advises that hook-up config in a 2 ch system. I believe Lonnie discussed it also. The thought of applying 150-200 watts/ch into a plate amp was... scary.  My plan is to do that connection again this weekend with the full range fronts now that the Sub is center, front located. Also considering that set-up in 2nd living/office, but have furniture to move first. Who connects their 2.1 system that way? How do you like it? How will that config effect switching back to 5.1 or 5.2 system in surround mode? Thx |
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Post by 405x5 on May 27, 2021 10:10:32 GMT -5
“Now are you going to continue picking apart my system or are you going to shut up about it now? If you want to keep going, because there's PLENTY I can pick at about your system, so don't get me started. And I do mean plenty.” Constructive criticism would be great and I would welcome that actually. I have not changed things much in quite some time so your opinions would be welcome indeed. |
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