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Post by bootman on Dec 31, 2020 17:57:43 GMT -5
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin Meanwhile, US COVID deaths: 343,000. Covid deaths yesterday 3808 day before that 3700 80,000 more projected in next three weeks. I surely hope we all focus on other sources of yearly deaths as much as we do with this virus after its death rate reaches flu levels with the release of the vaccine. Example: 9M worldwide die of hunger every year. How many in the US? Funny (not!) how we don't track that yet if we use the current world wide percentage rate of hunger deaths(.11%) its 3.6M in the US. OK, if you argue that the US is 10x better than the world average its still rivals covid levels every year. Something to think about as we wear our masks outside. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 31, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -5
This thread is about the vaccine, which is a very important step in controlling and hopefully eliminating COVID-19. If people post their experiences getting the vaccine, any side effects, and hopefully that they don’t then test positive, that will help us all.
It would also be interesting to know what group someone is in that ‘qualified’ them to get the vaccine when they did. I think I’m in the 65-75 with no pre existing conditions, and fear it will be a while before I’m eligible.
If you’re on the fence or don’t plan to get vaccinated (as some have indicated), maybe this thread can help allay some of your concerns (though there are probably better sources for this kind of information). I’m old enough to remember kids in kindergarten and grade school with braces on their legs from polio, even then I knew I didn’t want that and was happy to be vaccinated for polio and other diseases (certainly my mother had a say in that). We need 75-85% of the people to get vaccinated for this thing to work.
If we drag everything that was wrong with 2020 into this thread it will certainly be locked, I hope that doesn’t happen.
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Post by garbulky on Dec 31, 2020 18:14:29 GMT -5
AudioHTIT I know several healthcare workers that have been vaccinated. They are very grateful. One doctor has expressed regret that his own patients have not yet gotten what he is getting but he understands the reasoning behind it and has gotten the vaccine.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Dec 31, 2020 18:26:00 GMT -5
AudioHTIT I know several healthcare workers that have been vaccinated. They are very grateful. One doctor has expressed regret that his own patients have not yet gotten what he is getting but he understands the reasoning behind it and has gotten the vaccine. Yes, I ski with several healthcare workers (I’m glad they aren’t so overworked they can’t get out and have fun), most of them have been vaccinated (as they should be). From what I’ve heard, the order seems pretty logical. I hope the line continues to move smoothly and even gets more efficient so we can get to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. |
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Post by garbulky on Dec 31, 2020 18:28:52 GMT -5
AudioHTIT I know several healthcare workers that have been vaccinated. They are very grateful. One doctor has expressed regret that his own patients have not yet gotten what he is getting but he understands the reasoning behind it and has gotten the vaccine. Yes, I ski with several healthcare workers (I’m glad they aren’t so overworked they can’t get out and have fun), most of them have been vaccinated (as they should be). From what I’ve heard, the order seems pretty logical. I hope the line continues to move smoothly and even gets more efficient so we can get to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Unfortuantely the initial vaccine roll out has fallen well short of the projected timeline. I believe less than three million people have been vaccinated so far in the US. |
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Post by teaman on Dec 31, 2020 18:37:02 GMT -5
Some people have way too much trust in those governing us. I've seen several fake vaccination videos, where the plunger is already down, and nothing in the syringe when the shot is given. Maybe the elites on the inside know something we don't. Considering Bill Gates has talked ad nauseum to the point of population control, is that really the guy giving you advice to take the vaccine? In small print on one of the Covid vaccine bottles it issues a warning to "Freeze your sperm if you have further intentions of having children". Population control through sterilization? Crazy right...except it has already happened on the African continent. Our government also injected prisoners twenty years ago with Syphilis intentionally to study the long term affects of it being untreated. Sorry to all that think I am a tin foil hat wearer, the same people who made fun of my views are now wearing full face shields in their cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 0:04:54 GMT -5
Some people have way too much trust in those governing us. I've seen several fake vaccination videos, where the plunger is already down, and nothing in the syringe when the shot is given. Maybe the elites on the inside know something we don't. Considering Bill Gates has talked ad nauseum to the point of population control, is that really the guy giving you advice to take the vaccine? In small print on one of the Covid vaccine bottles it issues a warning to "Freeze your sperm if you have further intentions of having children". Population control through sterilization? Crazy right...except it has already happened on the African continent. Our government also injected prisoners twenty years ago with Syphilis intentionally to study the long term affects of it being untreated. Sorry to all that think I am a tin foil hat wearer, the same people who made fun of my views are now wearing full face shields in their cars. Our founding fathers knew the depravity of man and realized not only the corruptible nature of man but anything man may touch becomes corruptible. Any power created by man is corruptible. The thing about "rights" is that they are not granted by government. Nor are they dependent on any "reasons" we may give in defense of our rights. An apparent error has recently come to mind in reflection [introspection] as of late. I err in thinking the Federal government has my best interests in mind but also the State. Anyone familiar w/ ancient literature may be aware of the Apostle Paul or even a millennium and half later Martin Luther as they stood trial in front of parties while they were claiming rights of citizenship and appealing to one, the other or both for protection. For example, I'm sure we're familiar with recent States legalizing narcotics that are Federally illegal. Likewise, what then if a hypothetical example occurs when Federal government mandated such and such and the State goes against the Federal law? How far does the 10th amendment go? <--- that can work for or against desirable behavior. I'd hate to be made the example. Lastly, population control is an argument made in various forms to support various agendas. Some speculate that even wars are no longer fought following "Just War Theory" but are rather now fought for natural resources. "Don't tread on me", Shimei |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 1, 2021 0:43:54 GMT -5
I don't care what side you represent, what you may or may not believe, but this thread is going down the wrong path and is at a high risk of being completely deleted. Yes I said deleted. I'll now refer all of you participating members to the Lounge Rules of Etiquette as well as the No Political or Religious posts Rule.
This thread has been temporarily locked so you can re-consider what it is you are about to post.
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Post by pallpoul on Jan 1, 2021 13:03:20 GMT -5
Happy new year all.
Please don't derail this thread. I wanted to share my experience with getting the moderna covid-19 vaccine.
It has been a bit over a week since first dose.
I had the arm soreness that resolved, few chills and abdominal discomfort, both short lived. I developed a painful lymph node in my axilla, ipsilateral to the injection site few days later, has not completely resolved yet. I visited with others who received it, and all had some kind of reaction.
I tested myself for antibodies yesterday, and it was positive, one week after first dose. I guess I have some kind of immunity, as I tested negative for the same antibodies test before receiving the vaccine. will keep you posted.
Please stay safe, and again happy new year.
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Post by autiger on Jan 2, 2021 10:25:12 GMT -5
From CDC : FACT: COVID-19 vaccines will not cause you to test positive on COVID-19 viral tests
Neither the recently authorized and recommended vaccines nor the other COVID-19 vaccines currently in clinical trials in the United States cause you to test positive on viral tests, which are used to see if you have a current infection.
If your body develops an immune response, which is the goal of vaccination, there is a possibility you may test positive on some antibody tests. Antibody tests indicate you had a previous infection and that you may have some level of protection against the virus. Experts are currently looking at how COVID-19 vaccination may affect antibody testing results.
If they don't change their mind
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Post by novisnick on Jan 2, 2021 11:34:20 GMT -5
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Post by markc on Jan 2, 2021 13:00:06 GMT -5
Given much of the anti-social ideation content in this thread, I'm going to add on to that post. Headline from that source - "In Southern California a nurse began showing symptoms of COVID-19 six days after getting the vaccine, then tested positive two days later." The person (nurse) referred to unfortunately probably already carried the virus when she got the vaccine - i.e. this news report cannot be used to debunk any usefulness of the vaccine! It would never have protected her from a Coronavirus exposure before she got the vaccine or in the first few(?) days after receiving it. (Not that I am saying that was your intention Novisnick, as you seem to be one of the few in this thread taking the COVID-19 threat appropriately seriously. This is unlike other opinionators who I consider to have questionable delusions regarding COVID and about Governments in the true definition of a delusion "false, unshakable belief.." The woman already carrying the virus prior to immunisation is in keeping with our knowledge, since early 2020, that COVID symptoms usually start 5-10 days after being exposed to the virus, most typically 5-7 after. This "silent" incubation period is partly why this virus has been able to become a pandemic: Carriers unwittingly spread it before they themselves develop symptoms, and this is why taking the recommended steps to prevent this spread should (must!) be practised by all of us as none of us can ever know if we are a carrier or not. (even if we have tested negative 5 minutes ago (up to a 30% false negative on any of the tests, laboratory PCR or the instant lateral flow)) I consider some spread from carriers as blameless, as it can happen despite taking reasonable the precautions that we are all advised to take to protect those around us that we have to come into some proximity with whilst trying to keep the essentials of life and society ticking over. (Hand washing, physical distancing and face coverings (to limit the projection of coughs or sneezes or breath droplets and also to limit us touching our faces nose and mouth thereby contaminating our hands) Unfortunately, sometimes Coronavirus is spread by neglect by which I mean by non-compliers, who in the midst of an officially recognised worldwide pandemic are wilfully failing to take responsibility for their own actions and inactions and not taking the reasonable and basic simple untaxing measures to protect unwitting people around them from themselves, in case they happen to be a carrier. |
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Post by novisnick on Jan 2, 2021 13:51:41 GMT -5
This leads me to believe that maybe there should be a different/better protocol for getting a vaccine. Was the nurse tested prior to injection? If so, was there time given to distinguish whether or not the test showed a false positive or false negative?
We have no idea what if any long term effects either of these two vaccines have. I’m VERY undecided on getting a vaccine at this time. Remember that I am at grave risk to any virus, whether it’s a cold or flue.
I’m a firm believer that every aspect of any topic should be well investigated and then reinvestigated. Even conspiracy theories should be checked, I’ve found that even the simplest of lies has some bit of truth buried in it somewhere. 🤔
Also for consideration, I’ve been told by many MDs that I make a good point, here ya go.
Masks do not stop the fine particulate that flows through it like cheesecloth, however. Most contamination is self inflicted (stay with me) we touch a surface (possibly breeding a virus) and immediately put our hand to our face. That action is in our DNA. What’s amongst the first thing a newborn does? Puts its hand(s) to its face. We never stop doing this simple act. The mask is a training tool . It’s to remind us that a deadly disease is about and it reminds us to “not put our hands into our face”. Just don’t do it. The problem lyes in trying to retrain the human species! GOD LUCK with that. LOL Although it’s no laughing matter. Most transmission of the cold, flue/virus is transferred in such a manner. Some is also transmitted via spittle and direct contact with another contaminated person.
Stay safe my friends, you are all too precious to loose! Even one would be too many. ❤️
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2021 14:11:58 GMT -5
I’m not undecided. I will take the vaccine when it’s my turn. Likely with my doctor’s recommendation since there are several types.
I want to go to another Emofest someday!
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2021 14:15:20 GMT -5
Yes, I ski with several healthcare workers (I’m glad they aren’t so overworked they can’t get out and have fun), most of them have been vaccinated (as they should be). From what I’ve heard, the order seems pretty logical. I hope the line continues to move smoothly and even gets more efficient so we can get to as many people as possible as quickly as possible. Unfortuantely the initial vaccine roll out has fallen well short of the projected timeline. I believe less than three million people have been vaccinated so far in the US. It’s left up to the States, however it will move much quicker when you can get it at your local grocery store, Costco, CVS, at work, etc. Logistics log jam. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Jan 2, 2021 14:17:05 GMT -5
I am interested in people reporting their experiences with the vaccine.....let’s give them the priority here. We can all benefit from first hand knowledge.
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Post by dust770 on Jan 2, 2021 15:00:50 GMT -5
Reporting as an outsider, our friend who is a director for the health dept. got the vaccine (not sure which one) last week. She said her arm was sore as all get out for a few days. We saw her New Year's Eve and she has a big rash around the injection site about 2 inches wide by 5 inches tall. She's due for her second round in a couple weeks. She seemed fine and hadn't reported any other issues.
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Post by cgolf on Jan 2, 2021 17:22:39 GMT -5
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ― Benjamin Franklin, Memoirs of the life & writings of Benjamin Franklin Meanwhile, US COVID deaths: 343,000. Covid deaths yesterday 3808 day before that 3700 80,000 more projected in next three weeks. Seems interesting that non-covid deaths this year (heart, cancer, etc.) have dropped about the same % that covid deaths have occurred. Non-covid deaths have been fairly steady over the past few years, at least until this year when covid hit the scene. Maybe all deaths aren't covid caused. |
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Post by jackpine on Jan 3, 2021 3:33:45 GMT -5
You know you're being deceived when health decisions are politized to point that our country leads the world in deaths.
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Post by klinemj on Jan 3, 2021 7:57:25 GMT -5
This leads me to believe that maybe there should be a different/better protocol for getting a vaccine. Was the nurse tested prior to injection? If so, was there time given to distinguish whether or not the test showed a false positive or false negative? While I agree with your intent, it takes a while after exposure to have a detectable concentration in the body. At immediate exposure and for up to ~24 hours, the concentration can be too low to detect even with the gold standard PCR test. Once it's detectable, then it can be measured. I plan to get it as soon as I'm allowed the chance. My Mom (86 and in a senior living center) gets her first dose in 10 days. I'm excited for her - that means soon she and other residents can resume group activities! Mark |
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