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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 28, 2021 22:58:12 GMT -5
Microsoft announced Windows 11 today, I haven’t gone through these yet, but here’s both the Introduction page, and the Presentation video: Windows 11 Introduction PageWindows 11 Presentation VideoHere’s a couple helpful questions (in other words, don’t hold your breath) When will I be able to upgrade to Windows 11 on my Windows 10 device?If your existing Windows 10 PC is running the most current version of Windows 10 and meets the minimum hardware specifications it will be able to upgrade to Windows 11. The upgrade rollout plan is still being finalized, but for most devices already in use today, we expect it to be ready sometime in early 2022. Not all Windows 10 PCs that are eligible to upgrade to Windows 11 will be offered to upgrade at the same time. To see if your PC is eligible to upgrade, download and run the PC Health Check app. Once the upgrade rollout has started, you can check if it is ready for your device by going to Settings/Windows Updates.When can I buy a PC that comes with Windows 11 pre-installed?PCs with Windows 11 pre-installed will be available later this year. |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 29, 2021 0:06:11 GMT -5
I tell you what. They really need to work on their presentation skills. Apple does hype so much better.
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Post by markc on Jun 29, 2021 1:02:55 GMT -5
I tell you what. They really need to work on their presentation skills. Apple does hype so much better. Apple can much better afford to. What their devices do, they almost always do decisively well. I much prefer My Windows PC to MacOS but over the years the various Windows issues have forced me to become an expert in reinstalling, reconfiguring, customising, jigging, poking, downgrading, removing unwanted add-ons (usually via a convoluted method) Windows 11 out of the (virtual) box will need some work, just to remove bloatware. |
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Post by Soup on Jun 29, 2021 3:54:00 GMT -5
Wait lets go back to Windows 95 that was fun!
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Post by macromicroman on Jun 29, 2021 6:55:16 GMT -5
Didn't they say that Windows 10 was going to be the last upgrade?
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Post by stiehl11 on Jun 29, 2021 7:03:17 GMT -5
Didn't they say that Windows 10 was going to be the last upgrade? ...and you'll never have to buy another processor after the XMC-1.  The only thing that's constant is change. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 29, 2021 9:10:12 GMT -5
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Post by hemster on Jun 29, 2021 9:36:39 GMT -5
Didn't they say that Windows 10 was going to be the last upgrade? Well, Windows 11 might be a downgrade!  |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 29, 2021 9:39:31 GMT -5
According to most estimates Windows 11 will be available somewhere around year's end. (According to the current information there will still be at least one more Windows 10 update in October.) (Windows 10 is also officially scheduled to not reach "end of life" until 2025.)
Also according to the latest "information"..... Most PCs purchased in the last two or there years will be able to run Windows 11...
However many older computers will not... (There is at least one requirement that most older machines will not meet... the presence of "a hardware TPM module".) It has been suggested that this is one reason for the new number... (People would complain if a Windows 10 update were to make Windows 10 no longer compatible with many computers that it currently runs on.)
Note that almost all desktop computers sold today include a copy of Microsoft Windows - for which Microsoft gets payed. They will probably not make significantly more money by selling you copy of Windows 11 than a copy of Windows 10.
And the upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11 will probably be free. Therefore their motivation for "getting everyone to upgrade" isn't as obvious as many people think. They really are trying to make what they see as improvements since there isn't a lot of extra income involved.
That said, from all reports so far, most of the changes in Windows 11 seem to involve aesthetics ("it's more attractive")... And, specifically, "making it look and work more like a phone", which is presumably what many current users are more comfortable with... (A fancier app store, more tablet functionality, and such.)
I personally find the whole obsession with operating systems to be somewhat odd... The operating system is merely the basic structure on which you run and install PROGRAMS... And the purpose of a computer is to enable you to run programs... Which makes "upgrading the operating system" a lot like "upgrading the chassis of your car"...
You get a nice new chassis when you buy a new car... but you rarely bother to upgrade the chassis on the car you currently own.
I personally don't care if they've improved the built-in Paint program, or the Picture Viewer, or the Mail program, because I don't use them anyway.
I also personally don't find that Windows 10 does anything wondrously better than Windows 7, or Vista, or even Windows XP...
So, other than remembering the new locations for a few icons, and hoping nothing stops working, the upgrade isn't going to make much difference to most of us...
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Post by creimes on Jun 29, 2021 9:40:03 GMT -5
Didn't they say that Windows 10 was going to be the last upgrade? Well, Windows 11 might be a downgrade! Don't even get me started on the HDMI handshake issues I'm having with my monitor now with Windows 11  |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 29, 2021 9:40:46 GMT -5
My worry is that I have a Musiland Digital Times  This is a discontinued product. The windows 10 driver is not available and I was only able to get it by a lot of digging on sites in a foreign language. If Windows 11 breaks the old driver, then I would have trouble |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 29, 2021 9:53:00 GMT -5
Run the whynotwin11 script on your system to see what is and what is not listed as compatible. Both the PCs currently in use in my house have 5-year old Skylake Intel processors. Both have TPM modules. The processors are not on the "compatible with Win 11" list. So either that means I can't run 11 or that means Microsoft has not yet tested it with 6th Gen Intel processors so it's just not on the list yet. The cynic in me suspects some planned obsolescence here to force new hardware purchases. Nah, that would never happen in the semiconductor industry... |
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Post by garbulky on Jun 29, 2021 10:02:15 GMT -5
Run the whynotwin11 script on your system to see what is and what is not listed as compatible. Both the PCs currently in use in my house have 5-year old Skylake Intel processors. Both have TPM modules. The processors are not on the "compatible with Win 11" list. So either that means I can't run 11 or that means Microsoft has not yet tested it with 6th Gen Intel processors so it's just not on the list yet. The cynic in me suspects some planned obsolescence here to force new hardware purchases. Nah, that would never happen in the semiconductor industry... It will tell me even if the third party driver was not supplied by windows? |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 29, 2021 10:31:04 GMT -5
Windows 11 is still several months away from release - so this is all "provisional" at this point anyway.
The TPM is a security chip... which ties in with the current obsession with security on computers... which is undoubtedly why Windows 11 will require it.
Apparently the TPM has been around for a few years - but it's been pretty much optional in most situations.
(And, apparently, quite a few computers probably have a TPM - but it's switched off in the BIOS configuration - in which case it won't show up until you switch it on.)
Here's an article that spells out all the details about TPM (although remember that Windows 11 isn't final yet - so EVERYTHING about it is provisional).
Run the whynotwin11 script on your system to see what is and what is not listed as compatible. Both the PCs currently in use in my house have 5-year old Skylake Intel processors. Both have TPM modules. The processors are not on the "compatible with Win 11" list. So either that means I can't run 11 or that means Microsoft has not yet tested it with 6th Gen Intel processors so it's just not on the list yet. The cynic in me suspects some planned obsolescence here to force new hardware purchases. Nah, that would never happen in the semiconductor industry... It will tell me even if the third party driver was not supplied by windows? |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 29, 2021 10:38:54 GMT -5
Run the whynotwin11 script on your system to see what is and what is not listed as compatible. Both the PCs currently in use in my house have 5-year old Skylake Intel processors. Both have TPM modules. The processors are not on the "compatible with Win 11" list. So either that means I can't run 11 or that means Microsoft has not yet tested it with 6th Gen Intel processors so it's just not on the list yet. The cynic in me suspects some planned obsolescence here to force new hardware purchases. Nah, that would never happen in the semiconductor industry... It will tell me even if the third party driver was not supplied by windows? It will evaluate your motherboard and processor, not add-on cards. You will need to contact the manufacturer - and if they are out of business then you will just have to wait and see. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 29, 2021 10:40:46 GMT -5
Windows 11 is still several months away from release - so this is all "provisional" at this point anyway. The TPM is a security chip... which ties in with the current obsession with security on computers... which is undoubtedly why Windows 11 will require it.
Apparently the TPM has been around for a few years - but it's been pretty much optional in most situations.
(And, apparently, quite a few computers probably have a TPM - but it's switched off in the BIOS configuration - in which case it won't show up until you switch it on.) Here's an article that spells out all the details about TPM (although remember that Windows 11 isn't final yet - so EVERYTHING about it is provisional).
If you want to know if your PC has a TPM chip and if it is enabled, run " tpm.msc " from the command line. |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 29, 2021 10:51:55 GMT -5
Add-on cards, and drivers, are a whole different matter... Some relatively simple drivers don't need to be updated to work with every new version of Windows...
And a lot of hardware will work in some sort of "compatibility mode"...
Also note that, in general, it is almost always claimed that "new versions of Windows are backwards compatible with the hardware and programs you probably currently own...."
(Except that you may need to update some of them... and some of them may not work... )
Odds are that, at this point, even the manufacturers probably don't know for sure.... Beyond "being committed to making their products work with Windows 11"...
We're not going to know what will work with Windows 11, and what won't, until it gets a lot closer... (But they have been inching annoyingly ever closer to Apple's idea about pushing you to "get approved stuff from the App Store".)
It will tell me even if the third party driver was not supplied by windows? It will evaluate your motherboard and processor, not add-on cards. You will need to contact the manufacturer - and if they are out of business then you will just have to wait and see. |
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Post by DYohn on Jun 29, 2021 10:55:15 GMT -5
Add-on cards, and drivers, are a whole different matter... Some relatively simple drivers don't need to be updated to work with every new version of Windows...
And a lot of hardware will work in some sort of "compatibility mode"...
Also note that, in general, it is almost always claimed that "new versions of Windows are backwards compatible with the hardware and programs you probably currently own...."
(Except that you may need to update some of them... and some of them may not work... )
We're not going to know what will work with Windows 11, and what won't, until it gets a lot closer... (But they have been inching annoyingly ever closer to Apple's idea about pushing you to "get approved stuff from the App Store".)
It will evaluate your motherboard and processor, not add-on cards. You will need to contact the manufacturer - and if they are out of business then you will just have to wait and see. Windows 11 gets officially released Oct. 20. It is already in the wild among developers (several people at my company are testing it.) MANY incompatibility issues, so I expect numerous patches over the next year or so. |
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Post by KeithL on Jun 29, 2021 11:51:01 GMT -5
Yes... Apple is much better at hype... (And they seem to have convinced many of their fans to actually install IV feeding tubes through which they can main-line the Kool Aid....)
I've always admired Apple's product engineering... If only they didn't limit them to Apple's own little walled garden...
(But I also prefer Windows for what it can do... and what it allows me to do... )
However, from a market perspective....
Microsoft currently OWNS the desktop computer market (but that market itself is steadily shrinking)... But they're not so well established in the tablet market... And the Windows phone seems to be "dead as a dodo"...
Apple more or less dominates the Tablet and Phone markets... But they do have a lot of competition in both from Android... (so they've got to continue to pump plenty of Kool Aid so as not to lose market share there)
And, from the current ads, it does look like Microsoft is planning to make a move on the Tablet and Phone markets again... (Unless you missed the part about "Windows 11 running well on lots of different platforms".)
I tell you what. They really need to work on their presentation skills. Apple does hype so much better. Apple can much better afford to. What their devices do, they almost always do decisively well. I much prefer My Windows PC to MacOS but over the years the various Windows issues have forced me to become an expert in reinstalling, reconfiguring, customising, jigging, poking, downgrading, removing unwanted add-ons (usually via a convoluted method) Windows 11 out of the (virtual) box will need some work, just to remove bloatware. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 29, 2021 12:16:20 GMT -5
… However many older computers will not... (There is at least one requirement that most older machines will not meet... the presence of "a hardware TPM module".) It has been suggested that this is one reason for the new number... Since my only Windows installation is a 10 VM running under Parallels Desktop on my Mac mini, my first concern would be when they support 11. However, given the current information, it appears that may be the only way to run Windows 11 on Mac hardware, presumably they could emulate the TPM. Do Macs have a TPM chip?
Windows 11 on Macs
Apple has never offered support for the TPM 2.0 standard on Intel Macs, which makes them all incompatible with the newest version of Windows.9to5mac.com/2021/06/25/windows-11-wont-be-officially-supported-by-any-intel-mac-heres-why/ |
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