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Post by vega on Nov 15, 2023 13:17:56 GMT -5
It seems clear to me with the recent blowout sale on Emotiva speakers that there will be a new line coming out soon perhaps even for the holidays. For me I’m hoping Emotiva makes a powerhouse old school 3 way floorstanders with 12” woofer. This style of speaker is my favourite, and I think Emotiva would do a good job at it. I also feel it could be popular. These speakers are expensive to make and ship but I’m willing to pay. I know it’s a long shot but my fingers will be crossed 🤞🏼👍🏻🔈💪🏼
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Post by pop on Nov 15, 2023 16:52:30 GMT -5
They are, I was on the phone with them a couple days ago. However, I was afforded no juicy details. But we have been playing this game with Emotiva for a VERY long time. The exit of the ERT/ERM series left a gap in speaker offerings for a very long time. Now, the Stealth series was absolutely incredible. I have owned many of them and unfortunately my stealth 8s are having major issues. Then we were greeted with the newer series. I never listened to them, I wanted a pair, but I couldn't stand the visual of them being a focal piece. years of looking at the stealth I began to resent their appearance. So, if Emotiva is listening, YES we want an attractive lineup of excellent performing speakers preferably with a fabric tweeter. Furthermore, for the love of it all give us beautiful retro components. We want gauges and dials on the CHEAP, and we know they can deliver.
All of that being said, don't catch me flaming Emotiva. I love this company and they have awarded a lot of us broke fools with excellent audio gear. But I am older now, and not as broke. ::slaps hood of car:: TAKE MY MONEY
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Post by pop on Nov 15, 2023 16:54:15 GMT -5
Also also furthermore, This forum needs a spark of life. big DAN drop some teasers on us! |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 15, 2023 17:06:52 GMT -5
From what I understand... the new speakers will play nicely (can be intermingled) with the current line of Airmotive speakers in a setup. So, their drivers should be similar to the current line. Seems the biggest change will be cosmetics.
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Post by vega on Nov 16, 2023 6:20:58 GMT -5
Ya let’s see some teasers Dan! Some important things I would like to see in a higher end Emotiva speaker are: magnetic grilles. Driver trim rings so when the grilles are off you don’t see the driver screws. Eg. Keff, Polk etc. this gives a much more cleaner less home made look. I know we are dought full to see real wood veneer from emotiva but I prefer the satin black paint finish like the old RS subwoofers had over the cheap looking vinyl wraps. For some reason I feel I won’t see any of these details on the new Emotiva speaker line. Perhaps magnetic grilles but they seemed to get away with those on there newest subwoofer lines. 🤞🏼
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Nov 16, 2023 7:03:22 GMT -5
They are, I was on the phone with them a couple days ago. However, I was afforded no juicy details. But we have been playing this game with Emotiva for a VERY long time. The exit of the ERT/ERM series left a gap in speaker offerings for a very long time. Now, the Stealth series was absolutely incredible. I have owned many of them and unfortunately my stealth 8s are having major issues. Then we were greeted with the newer series. I never listened to them, I wanted a pair, but I couldn't stand the visual of them being a focal piece. years of looking at the stealth I began to resent their appearance. So, if Emotiva is listening, YES we want an attractive lineup of excellent performing speakers preferably with a fabric tweeter. Furthermore, for the love of it all give us beautiful retro components. We want gauges and dials on the CHEAP, and we know they can deliver. All of that being said, don't catch me flaming Emotiva. I love this company and they have awarded a lot of us broke fools with excellent audio gear. But I am older now, and not as broke. ::slaps hood of car:: TAKE MY MONEY I initially purchased my Emotiva monoblocks with the full intention of upgrading to something more expensive later. I've had the DR1s since they debuted and I honestly have not heard anything since that makes me want to shell out thousands more for. Not saying there might not be something else, but the cost would be far beyond anything I could afford. |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 16, 2023 9:23:20 GMT -5
Not quite ready yet…… My existing three ways are only 36 years old.
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Post by pop on Nov 16, 2023 10:06:01 GMT -5
They are, I was on the phone with them a couple days ago. However, I was afforded no juicy details. But we have been playing this game with Emotiva for a VERY long time. The exit of the ERT/ERM series left a gap in speaker offerings for a very long time. Now, the Stealth series was absolutely incredible. I have owned many of them and unfortunately my stealth 8s are having major issues. Then we were greeted with the newer series. I never listened to them, I wanted a pair, but I couldn't stand the visual of them being a focal piece. years of looking at the stealth I began to resent their appearance. So, if Emotiva is listening, YES we want an attractive lineup of excellent performing speakers preferably with a fabric tweeter. Furthermore, for the love of it all give us beautiful retro components. We want gauges and dials on the CHEAP, and we know they can deliver. All of that being said, don't catch me flaming Emotiva. I love this company and they have awarded a lot of us broke fools with excellent audio gear. But I am older now, and not as broke. ::slaps hood of car:: TAKE MY MONEY I initially purchased my Emotiva monoblocks with the full intention of upgrading to something more expensive later. I've had the DR1s since they debuted and I honestly have not heard anything since that makes me want to shell out thousands more for. Not saying there might not be something else, but the cost would be far beyond anything I could afford. That is the truth! I wanted to upgrade my Stealth 8 To some Adam Audio, I auditioned them and heard very minor improvements. When I worked at an audio shop for a couple years, I brought in an XPA2 to AB a MC452. I conducted it blind and 60% of the votes went to the Emotiva, which tells me that nobody could really discern any true differences. I have no doubt the new speakers will sound amazing, but will they have the look? the modern space age black and blue is pretty dated. I hope they change this. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 16, 2023 10:27:39 GMT -5
I've got to chime in with a comment here... So "the modern space age black and blue look is dated"... So would you be wanting something MORE modern (perhaps something shiny, with antennae on top, like Judy Jetson would just adore)? Or would you be wanting something REALLY RETRO (like those pretty vintage speakers that have a cloth grill with decorative "wooden grating" over it)? I've always personally liked rectangular wood boxes, with real wood veneer, and a nice oiled finish (not that mirror shiny finish that looks like plastic). (What a certain old-time reviewer often referred to as "monkey coffins".) How about these: www.etsy.com/listing/1366141182/vintage-mid-century-modern-spaceOr these: i.pinimg.com/736x/65/bb/84/65bb84781decfc6ae1cc4b97d404fac1.jpgOr maybe these (a true classic; solid metal; in black or silver): www.whathifi.com/kef/kht3005-hd2/reviewAlthough I wouldn't at all rule it out... in general fancy wood veneer tends not to fit well with our price model. (You tend to end up paying a lot for the finish, which kills the "price / performance ratio" unless you really place a high value on aesthetics, and tastes vary rather widely anyway.) I initially purchased my Emotiva monoblocks with the full intention of upgrading to something more expensive later. I've had the DR1s since they debuted and I honestly have not heard anything since that makes me want to shell out thousands more for. Not saying there might not be something else, but the cost would be far beyond anything I could afford. That is the truth! I wanted to upgrade my Stealth 8 To some Adam Audio, I auditioned them and heard very minor improvements. When I worked at an audio shop for a couple years, I brought in an XPA2 to AB a MC452. I conducted it blind and 60% of the votes went to the Emotiva, which tells me that nobody could really discern any true differences. I have no doubt the new speakers will sound amazing, but will they have the look? the modern space age black and blue is pretty dated. I hope they change this. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 16, 2023 10:45:24 GMT -5
I've got to chime in with a comment here... So "the modern space age black and blue look is dated"... So would you be wanting something MORE modern (perhaps something shiny, with antennae on top, like Judy Jetson would just adore)? Or would you be wanting something REALLY RETRO (like those pretty vintage speakers that have a cloth grill with decorative "wooden grating" over it)? I've always personally liked rectangular wood boxes, with real wood veneer, and a nice oiled finish (not that mirror shiny finish that looks like plastic). (What a certain old-time reviewer often referred to as "monkey coffins".) How about these: www.etsy.com/listing/1366141182/vintage-mid-century-modern-spaceOr these: i.pinimg.com/736x/65/bb/84/65bb84781decfc6ae1cc4b97d404fac1.jpgOr maybe these (a true classic; solid metal; in black or silver): www.whathifi.com/kef/kht3005-hd2/reviewAlthough I wouldn't at all rule it out... in general fancy wood veneer tends not to fit well with our price model. (You tend to end up paying a lot for the finish, which kills the "price / performance ratio" unless you really place a high value on aesthetics, and tastes vary rather widely anyway.) That is the truth! I wanted to upgrade my Stealth 8 To some Adam Audio, I auditioned them and heard very minor improvements. When I worked at an audio shop for a couple years, I brought in an XPA2 to AB a MC452. I conducted it blind and 60% of the votes went to the Emotiva, which tells me that nobody could really discern any true differences. I have no doubt the new speakers will sound amazing, but will they have the look? the modern space age black and blue is pretty dated. I hope they change this. I prefer a speaker with a rather bland and unexciting look. Industrial dark grey or brown works for me. I want speakers that sound good and visually disappear. Put the money in the construction, drivers, and crossovers. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 16, 2023 11:10:27 GMT -5
I've got to chime in with a comment here... So "the modern space age black and blue look is dated"... So would you be wanting something MORE modern (perhaps something shiny, with antennae on top, like Judy Jetson would just adore)? Or would you be wanting something REALLY RETRO (like those pretty vintage speakers that have a cloth grill with decorative "wooden grating" over it)? I've always personally liked rectangular wood boxes, with real wood veneer, and a nice oiled finish (not that mirror shiny finish that looks like plastic). (What a certain old-time reviewer often referred to as "monkey coffins".) How about these: www.etsy.com/listing/1366141182/vintage-mid-century-modern-spaceOr these: i.pinimg.com/736x/65/bb/84/65bb84781decfc6ae1cc4b97d404fac1.jpgOr maybe these (a true classic; solid metal; in black or silver): www.whathifi.com/kef/kht3005-hd2/reviewAlthough I wouldn't at all rule it out... in general fancy wood veneer tends not to fit well with our price model. (You tend to end up paying a lot for the finish, which kills the "price / performance ratio" unless you really place a high value on aesthetics, and tastes vary rather widely anyway.) I prefer a speaker with a rather bland and unexciting look. Industrial dark grey or brown works for me. I want speakers that sound good and visually disappear. Put the money in the construction, drivers, and crossovers. The other side of the coin is that speakers, especially floor standing are a piece of furniture and should look good in your living room, family room, etc. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 16, 2023 11:24:33 GMT -5
I prefer a speaker with a rather bland and unexciting look. Industrial dark grey or brown works for me. I want speakers that sound good and visually disappear. Put the money in the construction, drivers, and crossovers. The other side of the coin is that speakers, especially floor standing are a piece of furniture and should look good in your living room, family room, etc. I said what I prefer. My brown (film noire is the color) and dark grey floor-standers look great in my HT room. They sound even better. There is only one side of this coin - Decide what is important to you. Buy and use what you like. It's your money. It's your room. You might not like my furniture choices. I might not like your furniture choices. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 16, 2023 11:42:22 GMT -5
The other side of the coin is that speakers, especially floor standing are a piece of furniture and should look good in your living room, family room, etc. I said what I prefer. My brown (film noire is the color) and dark grey floor-standers look great in my HT room. They sound even better. There is only one side of this coin - Decide what is important to you. Buy and use what you like. It's your money. It's your room. You might not like my furniture choices. I might not like your furniture choices. Hit the nail on the head...all this is subjective. What I may think is ugly, you may love. I would like to suggest for what it's worth to Emotiva...how about offering color options besides flat black...maybe gloss black...or white.or dark grey..or Emotiva blue? SVS has a gloss white option...not sure how many go for it, but it is there. |
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Post by vega on Nov 16, 2023 13:38:03 GMT -5
I think Emotiva has had some nice original design cues to there speakers. I love the look of my RS11 subwoofer. I’m looking forward to see how the new speakers look. I know they will sound good. But the look of a speaker is extremely important to me a bit more important than the look of a piece of electronic gear. Although I do like the look of Emotiva electronics a fair bit. Speakers are just so big and out there I’m willing to pay for looks and for me at the top of the list in the looks department is driver trim rings to hide the screws.and magnetic grilles I like the clean finished look of a speaker with the grilles off. I know this is all subjective.
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Post by Sayer on Nov 17, 2023 0:41:30 GMT -5
I prefer a speaker with a rather bland and unexciting look. Industrial dark grey or brown works for me. I want speakers that sound good and visually disappear. Put the money in the construction, drivers, and crossovers. I agree... and that is how I find the current Emotiva speakers to be. My T3s are huge, but are not particularly attention getting considering their size. I have no interest in paying more money for a fancy finish. The Emotiva speakers even pass the WAF here, she loves them, both how they look and sound. |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Nov 17, 2023 7:19:25 GMT -5
My two cents... I don't care about color or finish with my audio gear. Though given the option, I prefer they be neutral and just blend in rather than stand out. My maggies have red trim. I like it, but it was really for the wife. She loves red and she seemed more receptive to having large speakers if they worked with her color palette. LOL Plus, I was able to negotiate the same price as if they were standard color, so no harm, no foul. I do think colorful or interestingly designed speakers are cool, but I prefer the sound be the focus, not the gear. For instance, I think Sonus Faber makes beautiful speakers, but I think you're paying a lot for that pretty finish. Which is fine if they fit your taste, budget and will continue to match your décor for the lifetime of the speaker in your room. On the downside, I never thought their speakers were all that impressive sound-wise. At least not for the money. Though, to each, their own. As for the Emotiva line of speakers, I find them appealing. Not flashy, but have the appearance of a solidly built piece of equipment. They remind me of my old, and fondly remembered, Boston Acoustics floor standing speakers.
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 17, 2023 7:53:23 GMT -5
Sometimes the look of a speaker is functional and not just cosmetic. The beveled front edges of an Emotiva speaker are functional when near the tweeter and mid-range (and the woofer in the 2-ways). The beveled edges on an Emotiva Sub integrate the design look of the Family of speakers.
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 17, 2023 8:38:17 GMT -5
My two cents... I don't care about color or finish with my audio gear. Though given the option, I prefer they be neutral and just blend in rather than stand out. My maggies have red trim. I like it, but it was really for the wife. She loves red and she seemed more receptive to having large speakers if they worked with her color palette. LOL Plus, I was able to negotiate the same price as if they were standard color, so no harm, no foul. I do think colorful or interestingly designed speakers are cool, but I prefer the sound be the focus, not the gear. For instance, I think Sonus Faber makes beautiful speakers, but I think you're paying a lot for that pretty finish. Which is fine if they fit your taste, budget and will continue to match your décor for the lifetime of the speaker in your room. On the downside, I never thought their speakers were all that impressive sound-wise. At least not for the money. Though, to each, their own. As for the Emotiva line of speakers, I find them appealing. Not flashy, but have the appearance of a solidly built piece of equipment. They remind me of my old, and fondly remembered, Boston Acoustics floor standing speakers. I personally choose black for a component if given a choice. Black seems eternal. For speakers, if black, I prefer a gloss finish just because they look nicer to me. I realize thye can distract especially in a home theater environment due to refflections and are also finger print magnets, but I still like the look. The real wood veneer on my Thiel CS1.6 speakers is amazing. The company was known for their wood finishes and they did them right. I took a tour of their facility prior to Jim Thiel's death and asked why they didn't use vinyl to save money and lower cost, and the response was that customers wanted and sought out the real wood veneer. You definitely paid a premium for this, but again the finish is extra-ordinary. I do find the Emotiva speakers to be well made and a tremendous value. |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 17, 2023 9:32:54 GMT -5
I tend to look at the color or finish of speakers the same way. I definitely have a preference for speakers that look like speakers. Given the choice I'll generally opt for real wood veneer, either walnut or oak, with an oiled finish, and a grill on the front. I also tend to prefer simple black or beige cloth grilles rather than contoured foam or fancy wooden fretwork grills. And, back in the days of old, if there was an option to get vinyl, or real wood veneer for a few dollars more, I would always opt for the real wood. I like speakers that look like speakers, as compared to ones that "disappear into the room", or ones that "look like modern art". (I look at furniture the same way; I bought my couch because it was comfortable and not because it looked pretty.) Also, just my personal preference: - I DO NOT like gloss piano black - because it shows dust far too easily. - I DO NOT like white - because, to me, that looks like the fixtures you find in a kitchen or a bathroom (and NOT like audio gear) - I also prefer an oiled wood finish over the shiny ones used on many modern speakers (to me that shiny finish just LOOKS like really nice plastic and not like wood - and I prefer wood) - I prefer to have grilles (rather than speakers that don't offer or include them) HOWEVER, all that said, I prioritize how they sound over how they look... So, while I might pay a little extra for good looks, I would never choose a speaker that LOOKS pretty over one that sounds better. (I've always chosen my speakers based on how they sound first... then asked what finish they come in later.) If you haven't seen them... Our current Airmotiv speakers have a black lacquer front panel, black textured vinyl wrap sides, and major facets or bevels on the fronts (and removable grills). The new models have a simpler cabinet design, minus the "facets", and with more discreet dress rings around the drivers. Some of the new models are slightly taller and narrower as well. Some of us preferred the old look but more folks we asked seem to prefer the new aesthetic. And, yes, they sound quite similar, and there is no problem "mixing and matching" old and new models. My two cents... I don't care about color or finish with my audio gear. Though given the option, I prefer they be neutral and just blend in rather than stand out. My maggies have red trim. I like it, but it was really for the wife. She loves red and she seemed more receptive to having large speakers if they worked with her color palette. LOL Plus, I was able to negotiate the same price as if they were standard color, so no harm, no foul. I do think colorful or interestingly designed speakers are cool, but I prefer the sound be the focus, not the gear. For instance, I think Sonus Faber makes beautiful speakers, but I think you're paying a lot for that pretty finish. Which is fine if they fit your taste, budget and will continue to match your décor for the lifetime of the speaker in your room. On the downside, I never thought their speakers were all that impressive sound-wise. At least not for the money. Though, to each, their own. As for the Emotiva line of speakers, I find them appealing. Not flashy, but have the appearance of a solidly built piece of equipment. They remind me of my old, and fondly remembered, Boston Acoustics floor standing speakers. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 17, 2023 9:52:29 GMT -5
I tend to look at the color or finish of speakers the same way. I definitely have a preference for speakers that look like speakers. Given the choice I'll generally opt for real wood veneer, either walnut or oak, with an oiled finish, and a grill on the front. I also tend to prefer simple black or beige cloth grilles rather than contoured foam or fancy wooden fretwork grills. And, back in the days of old, if there was an option to get vinyl, or real wood veneer for a few dollars more, I would always opt for the real wood. I like speakers that look like speakers, as compared to ones that "disappear into the room", or ones that "look like modern art". (I look at furniture the same way; I bought my couch because it was comfortable and not because it looked pretty.) Also, just my personal preference: - I DO NOT like gloss piano black - because it shows dust far too easily. - I DO NOT like white - because, to me, that looks like the fixtures you find in a kitchen or a bathroom (and NOT like audio gear) - I also prefer an oiled wood finish over the shiny ones used on many modern speakers (to me that shiny finish just LOOKS like really nice plastic and not like wood - and I prefer wood) - I prefer to have grilles (rather than speakers that don't offer or include them) HOWEVER, all that said, I prioritize how they sound over how they look... So, while I might pay a little extra for good looks, I would never choose a speaker that LOOKS pretty over one that sounds better. (I've always chosen my speakers based on how they sound first... then asked what finish they come in later.) If you haven't seen them... Our current Airmotiv speakers have a black lacquer front panel, black textured vinyl wrap sides, and major facets or bevels on the fronts (and removable grills). The new models have a simpler cabinet design, minus the "facets", and with more discreet dress rings around the drivers. Some of the new models are slightly taller and narrower as well. Some of us preferred the old look but more folks we asked seem to prefer the new aesthetic. And, yes, they sound quite similar, and there is no problem "mixing and matching" old and new models. My two cents... I don't care about color or finish with my audio gear. Though given the option, I prefer they be neutral and just blend in rather than stand out. My maggies have red trim. I like it, but it was really for the wife. She loves red and she seemed more receptive to having large speakers if they worked with her color palette. LOL Plus, I was able to negotiate the same price as if they were standard color, so no harm, no foul. I do think colorful or interestingly designed speakers are cool, but I prefer the sound be the focus, not the gear. For instance, I think Sonus Faber makes beautiful speakers, but I think you're paying a lot for that pretty finish. Which is fine if they fit your taste, budget and will continue to match your décor for the lifetime of the speaker in your room. On the downside, I never thought their speakers were all that impressive sound-wise. At least not for the money. Though, to each, their own. As for the Emotiva line of speakers, I find them appealing. Not flashy, but have the appearance of a solidly built piece of equipment. They remind me of my old, and fondly remembered, Boston Acoustics floor standing speakers. I agree with most of what you say. However, I would like to flesh out my previous comment about ‘disappearing in the room’. A speaker can be very noticeable and ‘disappear in the room’. All objects in a living space have one essential purpose. That is to complement the most important part of the room – The People who are in the room. When The People complement the Objects, something is ‘out of balance’ – Pun intended. One additional thing is certain. I DO NOT like Green Eggs and Ham!  |
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