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Post by bootman on Jan 31, 2010 12:58:58 GMT -5
So it is set to auto? Or you chose 1080p/60 manually? If so the OP should try this. It's set to 1080P/60 manually. I know my display can handle this so I have the UMC-1 scaling everything it can to 1080P/60. It just can't (or won't try) to affect a 1080P/24 source - this is just passed thru. Then this should solve the OP issue. Forget auto. ;D |
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Post by pwrchrd on Jan 31, 2010 12:59:59 GMT -5
Not intending to hijack your post but dont want to create another and this somewhat pertains. If I use component video from my cable box, for whatever reason it didnt have HDMI would that upscale the video? I recall someone saying they had some issues with that. I would have to use optical for audio for that. Cable sucks for sure. I haven't tried this, but I will later today. My only component source is a Nintendo Wii, so I'll actually have Analog audio paired with the component video, but that should still be a good test for the video scaling. |
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Post by pmd918 on Jan 31, 2010 14:14:31 GMT -5
I have had no problem getting 1080P/24 to pass thru my UMC-1. I have the global output set to 1080P/60 (not auto). When I have my DirecTV DVR sending a 1080i or 720P signal to the UMC-1, the output to my projector is 1080P/60. When my BluRay player sends 1080P/24, this passes thru the UMC-1 to my projector which indicates a 1080P/24 signal. What Blu-Ray player do you have? Because 1080p/60 only shows 1080p/60 for me. Here is what Emotiva states in the manual so your UMC-1 must be broke, or my UMC-1 must be broke;D RESOLUTION (This is a global control.) This is where you set up the resolution of the output to match your video monitor or projector and display unit. There are multiple selections; 480P 60Hz, 576P 50Hz, 720P 50 Hz, 1080i 50Hz, 1080i 60Hz, 1080P 60 Hz, Auto and Pass Through. Note: A 1080p24 source will get routed through the UMC-1 as 1080p24 but is not selectable for scaling. ( But does not say how it is routed) When set to Auto the UMC‐1, Blu‐Ray Player and Video display will communicate and set the optimum resolution for all units. When set to Pass Through it will pass the video signal to the display device bit for bit. (No scaling or video processing are done in this mode.) I'll throw in another opinion on the interpretation of the manual, and presumably Emotiva's intent. I interpret what the manual says as 1080p/24 will be passed through (not scaled) no matter what the resolution setting, including pass through. Maybe this is wishful thinking on my part because that's the way I need it to operate. I hope that pwrchrd's experience is how it is supposed to work, because that's what I'm counting on. Otherwise I'm definitely going to put in my request for a separate resolution setting for each input rather than this global approach. In need pass through for Blu-Ray and 1080p/60 for everything else. |
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Post by thisonekidmongo on Jan 31, 2010 16:19:54 GMT -5
pmd, that's how I interpreted the bit about 1080p/24 in the manual too, but in my own experience, and as told by Emotiva staff both through email and in the looooong SW update thread (if you feel like wading through it), that's not how it's supposed to work. Here's the email straight from Emotiva:
With my Pioneer display, PS3, and UMC, the only way I can indeed get 1080p/24 is Passthrough. Both Auto and 1080p/60 result in 1080p/24 being output in 1080p, even if I force 24p output from the PS3. Now, one lucky poster may have ended up with 1080p/24 passing through the UMC by another method, but in my own experience and from what Emo has told me, I wouldn't count on this to be the case with your own setup.
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Post by pmd918 on Jan 31, 2010 17:48:25 GMT -5
pmd, that's how I interpreted the bit about 1080p/24 in the manual too, but in my own experience, and as told by Emotiva staff both through email and in the looooong SW update thread (if you feel like wading through it), that's not how it's supposed to work. Here's the email straight from Emotiva: With my Pioneer display, PS3, and UMC, the only way I can indeed get 1080p/24 is Passthrough. Both Auto and 1080p/60 result in 1080p/24 being output in 1080p, even if I force 24p output from the PS3. Now, one lucky poster may have ended up with 1080p/24 passing through the UMC by another method, but in my own experience and from what Emo has told me, I wouldn't count on this to be the case with your own setup. That sucks. |
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Post by pwrchrd on Jan 31, 2010 18:12:10 GMT -5
pmd, that's how I interpreted the bit about 1080p/24 in the manual too, but in my own experience, and as told by Emotiva staff both through email and in the looooong SW update thread (if you feel like wading through it), that's not how it's supposed to work. Here's the email straight from Emotiva: With my Pioneer display, PS3, and UMC, the only way I can indeed get 1080p/24 is Passthrough. Both Auto and 1080p/60 result in 1080p/24 being output in 1080p, even if I force 24p output from the PS3. Now, one lucky poster may have ended up with 1080p/24 passing through the UMC by another method, but in my own experience and from what Emo has told me, I wouldn't count on this to be the case with your own setup. That sucks. Lets see how it works after the firmware update (hopefully this week). I actually like the global setting if it works the way it is on my system currently. This way, if I play a DVD on my Blu-Ray player, it will be scaled to 1080P/60 by the UMC-1, but if I play a 1080P/24 Blu-Ray disc, it goes right thru. |
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Post by jahays32 on Jan 31, 2010 21:02:34 GMT -5
What Blu-Ray player do you have? Because 1080p/60 only shows 1080p/60 for me. Here is what Emotiva states in the manual so your UMC-1 must be broke, or my UMC-1 must be broke;D RESOLUTION (This is a global control.) This is where you set up the resolution of the output to match your video monitor or projector and display unit. There are multiple selections; 480P 60Hz, 576P 50Hz, 720P 50 Hz, 1080i 50Hz, 1080i 60Hz, 1080P 60 Hz, Auto and Pass Through. Note: A 1080p24 source will get routed through the UMC-1 as 1080p24 but is not selectable for scaling. ( But does not say how it is routed) When set to Auto the UMC‐1, Blu‐Ray Player and Video display will communicate and set the optimum resolution for all units. When set to Pass Through it will pass the video signal to the display device bit for bit. (No scaling or video processing are done in this mode.) My Blu-Ray player is a Panasonic DMP-BD35 which is set to output 1080P/24 from Blu-Ray discs if available. I just verified this again. When I switch from a scaled source (DirecTV, scaled to 1080P/60 by the UMC-1) to my Blu-Ray, my projector indicates that it is receiving 1080P/24 when the Blu-Ray movie starts to play. All this without touching the menu on the UMC-1 I believe my unit is actually doing what the manual indicates - the 1080P/24 source is routed thru the UMC-1 to the projector, unscaled. You may need to check the settings in your BLu-Ray player to see if there is a way to set a preference for 1080P/24. I hope this helps. pwrchrd you are a lucky guy. I have a Samsung bdp-1500 that I got free with the TV and the fisrt released PS3 and they will not do it. But as soon as I pop the UMC-1 into pass through they both lock into 24p. I will wait for the firmware update and if need be I will then go buy another Blu-ray player and see if I can get lucky. Maybe Panasonic speaks the UMC-1's language. I do not like my Samsung anyway so to the BD/rm it will go. |
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Post by jahays32 on Jan 31, 2010 21:04:52 GMT -5
What Blu-Ray player do you have? Because 1080p/60 only shows 1080p/60 for me. Here is what Emotiva states in the manual so your UMC-1 must be broke, or my UMC-1 must be broke;D RESOLUTION (This is a global control.) This is where you set up the resolution of the output to match your video monitor or projector and display unit. There are multiple selections; 480P 60Hz, 576P 50Hz, 720P 50 Hz, 1080i 50Hz, 1080i 60Hz, 1080P 60 Hz, Auto and Pass Through. Note: A 1080p24 source will get routed through the UMC-1 as 1080p24 but is not selectable for scaling. ( But does not say how it is routed) When set to Auto the UMC‐1, Blu‐Ray Player and Video display will communicate and set the optimum resolution for all units. When set to Pass Through it will pass the video signal to the display device bit for bit. (No scaling or video processing are done in this mode.) I'll throw in another opinion on the interpretation of the manual, and presumably Emotiva's intent. I interpret what the manual says as 1080p/24 will be passed through (not scaled) no matter what the resolution setting, including pass through. Maybe this is wishful thinking on my part because that's the way I need it to operate. I hope that pwrchrd's experience is how it is supposed to work, because that's what I'm counting on. Otherwise I'm definitely going to put in my request for a separate resolution setting for each input rather than this global approach. In need pass through for Blu-Ray and 1080p/60 for everything else. That is how I interpret the manual. Just dosen't work that way fo me.  |
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Post by pwrchrd on Jan 31, 2010 23:48:56 GMT -5
Not intending to hijack your post but dont want to create another and this somewhat pertains. If I use component video from my cable box, for whatever reason it didnt have HDMI would that upscale the video? I recall someone saying they had some issues with that. I would have to use optical for audio for that. Cable sucks for sure. I haven't tried this, but I will later today. My only component source is a Nintendo Wii, so I'll actually have Analog audio paired with the component video, but that should still be a good test for the video scaling. Just to follow up on this topic - My component source (Nintendo Wii) shows up as 1080P/60 on my projector. I can't really evaluate the quality of the upscaling on a video game, but this does show that the UMC-1 is sending a 1080P/60 signal via HDMI to my projector from a component input. |
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Post by snodog on Feb 1, 2010 0:56:12 GMT -5
Well that is reassuring. I was thinking someone had some issues.
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Post by mditty on Feb 1, 2010 12:14:51 GMT -5
One thing that is not clear in this thread is. Are all the TV's actual capable of showing 1080p/24, just because you can send it doesn't mean the screen can actually display it as 24fps. If you have a 120hz or 240hz display then it "should" be able to display it. If you don't then the UMC-1 will likely never send it as the display won't report that as an optimal input mode. Of course almost no manufacturers of televisions will actually tell you exactly what the display will do for the different input types so finding this out isn't easy.
So I would assume to get 1080p/24 working in Auto or 1080p/60 you would need the following:
1. A TV that reports 1080p/24 as a recommended input mode, if 2 is correct then it needs to correctly report this info in the EDID.
2. A TV that can directly display 24fps, likely a 120hz TV with the right processing options.
So most likely the problem in these cases is how your TV is reporting it, the missing feature in the UMC-1 is the ability to set resolutions per input which would allow you to fix "1" above.
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Post by darien87 on Feb 1, 2010 16:09:57 GMT -5
The number of different experiences people are having is pretty confusing. I just spoke with Nick at Emo Tech and he said that the UMC-1 will pass 24f video no matter what resolution you have it set at. If you have it set at 1080p/60Hz it's supposed to output at 24f. If you have it set to Auto, it's supposed to output at 24f. If you set it to Passthrough, it's supposed to output at 24f. Nick recommended me setting the UMC-1 to Auto.
I will try this tonight. I just had my TV ISF calibrated last night, and the calibrator commented to me that my TV was accepting the 24f signal that his equipment was generating. I can't find anything in my TV's manual that mentions 24f, so I'm not sure if it accepts the signal, but converts it to 60Hz or if it is indeed displaying at 24f. I'll have to try it again tonight with my UMC-1 set to Auto.
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Post by thisonekidmongo on Feb 1, 2010 17:07:52 GMT -5
Darien, that is confusing, as Nick is the guy who sent me the email I quoted above. I'm beginning to think even the guys who work there don't really know how 24p on this is supposed to work.
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Post by jahays32 on Feb 1, 2010 20:43:27 GMT -5
Darien, that is confusing, as Nick is the guy who sent me the email I quoted above. I'm beginning to think even the guys who work there don't really know how 24p on this is supposed to work. Alright Nick which way is it, you can't have it both ways ;D |
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Post by mditty on Feb 1, 2010 21:43:25 GMT -5
Just because a display can accept 24fps doesn't mean it will display it, so it might not report it the way the UMC-1 is looking at it. A 720p TV can accept a 1080i signal but you would never want UMC-1 to upconvert a 720p signal to 1080i so you rely on some information from the TV to determine this.
Based on the fact that different people have different results means it is all tied to what the EDID reports.
If your TV isn't a 120hz or 240hz display, then it probably modifies the 24fps signal anyways so the umc-1 isn't doing anything different but showing a different value on the screen since the processing is done in the UMC-1 instead of the TV..
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Post by Eskimo on Feb 1, 2010 22:20:06 GMT -5
When the UMC-1 is set to 1080p/60, I have seen the input on my projector show both 1080p/60 and 1080p/24 during the same film, so it's working like it should - everything gets upscaled/converted to 1080p/60, EXCEPT 1080/24 - that gets sent directly through.
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 2, 2010 17:17:20 GMT -5
The real work around to all this is an independent video setting for each input just like they do now for each audio input. Don't know if they can implement this via a firmware upgrade. A long time ago, Lonnie stated the video settings had to be global due to memory constraints. That's why I asked for a different work around: Allow the user to set a different output resolution for each input resolution. A simple matrix hidden on an advanced set-up screen could allow users to solve almost any such issues with messed-up EDID data. BTW, there are a number of displays that can accept a 24p signal but don't report that they can. Granted, those displays generally don't handle the signal any better than the UMC would (frame-repeating 3:2 to 60p). But letting the user override the setting so they can see 24p on their display would give them a warm fuzzy and eliminate support calls and complaints. - LoopinFool |
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Post by venaka on Feb 6, 2010 19:38:31 GMT -5
little confused here.
I have my ps3 and direct tv h21 box sent to umc and out to a lg 47lg70.
I have the video on the umc set to 1080p/60 and my tv shows 1080/60 all the time if I press info on my lg, even when watching blu-rays through my ps3.
SO do I leave the umc to 1080p/60, passthrou ???gh or auto?
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Post by solidstate on Feb 7, 2010 0:52:59 GMT -5
little confused here. I have my ps3 and direct tv h21 box sent to umc and out to a lg 47lg70. I have the video on the umc set to 1080p/60 and my tv shows 1080/60 all the time if I press info on my lg, even when watching blu-rays through my ps3. SO do I leave the umc to 1080p/60, passthrou ???gh or auto? Set the PS3 options to 1080p/24 for Blueray playback not auto. It's your transport's setting. Disable auto and set to 1080p/24. Also set display "auto" aspect ratio to off if TV has it. IMHO if your display is 1080p capable set the global rez on UMC-1 to 1080p/60 and set Blueray transport to 1080p/24 Avoid any "auto" BS period. If transport is sending 1080p/24 via "manual" settings in transport UMC-1 will send it through unmolested. If transport is set to auto and UMC-1 global to 1080p/60 (perfect to use it's scaler) then UMC-1 will report 1080p/60 to transport and if transport is in "auto" it will use that setting. Setting everything manually is the way to fly ppl! |
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Post by solidstate on Feb 7, 2010 1:02:19 GMT -5
I could use Visio with some flow charts to explain but I can't be bothered.
If your TV is 1080p capable (some sets claim 1080p but the HDMI can't take it) set the global rez on UMC-1 to 1080p/60. On say a blueray transport turn it's "auto" function for resolution off and set it manually to 1080p/24 if the set is 120/240Hz. That's about it. I'd also turn off any "auto" aspect ratio crap on the TV and make sure it's "dot for dot" or "pixel to pixel mapping" as in no digital overscan is enabled. Manufacturers have a plethora of words to explain aspect ratio and overscan/scaling... it's ridiculous actually
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