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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 22, 2010 17:40:36 GMT -5
Note too, Lonnie, that the issue may extend beyond DVRs. I have encountered the issue when I am using the Xbox 360. Specifically, after a resolution change (from Auto to Pass through), the UMC fails to lock back on the DD stream. It requires an input cycle to reacquire the lock.
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Post by solidstate on Feb 22, 2010 18:09:12 GMT -5
On Denon units you can set the audio input to "auto" "digital" or "analog" Not sure if the UMC-1 has the same ability but I bet it does. I would turn off the "auto" function and map it to the HDMI or SP/DIF input and avoid the "auto" BS.
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Post by roadrunner on Feb 22, 2010 18:15:27 GMT -5
All the problems that are being attributed to the UMC-1's handling of DirecTV sporadic signal issues are occurring with my 6 year old AVR connected via component video. My brother's Integra 9.8 was having the same problems; and now his UMC-1 also exhibits the same problems. Let's be clear... 1. Your AVR drops from 5.1 to 2.0 channel and stays there until you pause/resume the DVR? (I can believe this.) 2. Your AVR sometimes loses the center channel or all channels until you switch to another input and back? (I find this difficult to believe.) I hate to be the one to shatter the bubble, but to be perfectly clear: Yes, my AVR is doing both of those things. It encounters #1 more frequently than #2. I don't know why it does either since I am using a component video connection. Normally, I would have thought that type of behavior was the result of a handshake problem. In view of the fact that it does happen,with component video, logic would tend to say that the handshake problem is happening between DTV's ground station and its satellites -- assuming it has anything to do with handshaking. I can't explain why, I can only report what is happening. |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 22, 2010 18:46:37 GMT -5
Just to throw in my .02 here. I have ATT&T Uverse and it never misses a beat. Dan has Comcast and he said his is stable as a rock as well. ;D So I am looking into the issues with the listed models to see what is going on. Sorry Lonnie, but I have AT & T U-Verse as well and I get the occasional audio drop out. It is bothersome enough that I bought an HDMI splitter from Monoprice and will now be going directly to my TV for my cable television viewing. My wife HATES the UMC-1. She doesn't understand why I added this new "box" that so far just seems to be screwing things up. Sound quality means pretty much nothing to her. Women. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 22, 2010 19:02:18 GMT -5
On Denon units you can set the audio input to "auto" "digital" or "analog" Not sure if the UMC-1 has the same ability but I bet it does. I would turn off the "auto" function and map it to the HDMI or SP/DIF input and avoid the "auto" BS. Solidstate, You might just be on to something here. I don't have a UMC-1, but that is what I have done in the past to force the "digital" connection to lock on instead of having the input set to "AUTO" with the Onkyo & NAD receivers I've had in the past. |
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Post by dkjohn on Feb 22, 2010 19:56:00 GMT -5
Why are people complaining about the trim levels being reset when the unit is turned off? That's what the trim levels are for. Trims are very handy for adjusting sound for a particular program which might have a depressed center channel, for example. Next time you start your UMC-1, of course the trim should be reset. Unless they mean speaker level, in which case they should say speaker level, and not trim. You are not understanding the problem its not the on the fly trim it the permanent setting when you set the unit up. |
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Post by dkjohn on Feb 22, 2010 20:08:42 GMT -5
From what I've been reading, they look the same, yes, but don't actually play what they are saying - in actuality they are playing a "0" level. You can't simply go by what they say. Your absolutely correct it says its the same on screen but are not. If you turn the unit off and check the levels with your meter again no matter what numbers are on the screen you will find they have changed in my case its only the rears in my 7.1 setup not my sides fronts or center. |
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Post by Mischief on Feb 22, 2010 20:31:30 GMT -5
On Denon units you can set the audio input to "auto" "digital" or "analog" Not sure if the UMC-1 has the same ability but I bet it does. I would turn off the "auto" function and map it to the HDMI or SP/DIF input and avoid the "auto" BS. I considered this previously but it happens with auto turned off on my systems. I do have a solution but it isn't a good one... if you use the stereo analog with digital turned off the D-TV units are fine, that however is not acceptable. |
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Post by Mike Ronesia on Feb 22, 2010 22:40:32 GMT -5
What is this cable box thingamajig you speak of? We get our TV programs after one week, recorded on tapes they have been using for years. It's like watching on a 60's tv with an antenna. I know the UMC will clean up the noise and upscale it to 1080P so I'm excited about getting it. Did you catch the opening ceremonies 3 days ago...  I wish I had HDTV, DVR's and cable boxes to have problems with. |
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Post by hemster on Feb 22, 2010 22:48:22 GMT -5
^^ As the saying goes... "Be careful what you wish for"!!
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Post by jgeiger on Feb 22, 2010 22:52:34 GMT -5
So I wanted to post in the "UMC-1 speaker levels resetting to 0 on startup" thread, and it's been locked(?) but I did a quick test on my system, and it does have this issue as well.
Set the left front to +10 and it was noticeably louder. Turned the unit off and back on. The audio went back to "normal" and I went into the level settings again. The left front showed the +10 level, but when i went down to +9.5 the audio from the left front jumped a lot. I never noticed this because most of my levels are +/-2.
Edit: it was always the left front, I just can't type
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Post by bones on Feb 23, 2010 7:49:27 GMT -5
So I wanted to post in the "UMC-1 speaker levels resetting to 0 on startup" thread, and it's been locked(?) but I did a quick test on my system, and it does have this issue as well. Set the left front to +10 and it was noticeably louder. Turned the unit off and back on. The audio went back to "normal" and I went into the level settings again. The right front showed the +10 level, but when i went down to +9.5 the audio from the right front jumped a lot. I never noticed this because most of my levels are +/-2. My unit is doing the same thing. The manual speaker level settings which have been set in the menu (not using the remote trims) do not work after power down. Upon powering up, the settings will still "look" right, but the settings are not having any affect. The problem with that is that the manual settings need to be reapplied every time you power on. Frustrating....to say the least. I would bet all the units are doing this, but most have not noticed. I don't understand why the other thread dealing with this issue was locked. One would think the thread would have assisted Emotiva in gathering info on the issue. I am concerned Emotiva is NOT taking this issue (or it's customers) very seriously. This troubles me (as I think it should). |
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Post by Woodpecker on Feb 23, 2010 9:08:13 GMT -5
Exactly. If all units have the same firmware, you would think all of the UMC's are having this problem and most have not noticed. You probably wouldn't notice if by chance all of your speaker levels were right around 0. I'm not sure why that thread was locked either since it was civil. It does make you wonder.
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Post by ICBM99 on Feb 23, 2010 9:42:01 GMT -5
Here's my input on the two things that are being discussed here.
Audio Drop outs. I haven't seen any with my Dish box connected via optical (I do get very brief ones, but I believe that is normal when I skip forward and such, and I never have to change inputs to get it back). I haven't tried via HDMI yet, I didn't want to hook it up due to the issues that were reported a couple weeks ago. I may try it, but as of now I don't mind using component.
Speaker Levels. I am experiencing these also. I seems to be on every channel (L, C, R, SL, SR), but I can't tell with the sub. I did the same test as some others, set the channels to +10, turned off the UMC, then powered back up. Went to the speaker set up (in the set up menu, not Parameter, does the same in parameter though), and dropped them down to 9.5. Big jump in sound. I guess we should post this in the thread that was set up for reporting.
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Post by johnnyg on Feb 23, 2010 10:04:59 GMT -5
Let's be clear... 1. Your AVR drops from 5.1 to 2.0 channel and stays there until you pause/resume the DVR? (I can believe this.) 2. Your AVR sometimes loses the center channel or all channels until you switch to another input and back? (I find this difficult to believe.) I hate to be the one to shatter the bubble, but to be perfectly clear: Yes, my AVR is doing both of those things. It encounters #1 more frequently than #2. I don't know why it does either since I am using a component video connection. Normally, I would have thought that type of behavior was the result of a handshake problem. In view of the fact that it does happen,with component video, logic would tend to say that the handshake problem is happening between DTV's ground station and its satellites -- assuming it has anything to do with handshaking. I can't explain why, I can only report what is happening. No bubbles shattered, and forgive me for my earlier skepticism, but I don't have problem #2 with my Yamaha AVR, nor with my Onkyo AVR in the bedroom, and I have been monitoring the DirecTV audio dropout problem on the DBSTalk forum and did not see a single post describing problem #2. My first though was that your AVR might be using the same chipset as the UMC-1, but given the age of your AVR I don't think that is possible. I am sorry for the troubles you are experiencing, I know how annoying they are first hand. |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 23, 2010 10:40:31 GMT -5
Exactly. If all units have the same firmware, you would think all of the UMC's are having this problem and most have not noticed. You probably wouldn't notice if by chance all of your speaker levels were right around 0. I'm not sure why that thread was locked either since it was civil. It does make you wonder. If you all look at Dan L post he asked that you PLEASE call or email Emotiva directly with your issues and not use the forum because a lot of the issues people are reporting here are not detailed enough for them to understand and if you call they can ask you specific questions so they can get a better understanding what exactly how your system is setup and what your doing and what it`s doing under what circumstance etc... it is way easier for them then wading through all the posts trying to understand what is what and why , Please go to post/thread - (the definitive UMC-1 status page from Big Dan) and scroll to the last post/page and you will understand |
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Post by jimsfield on Feb 23, 2010 10:49:06 GMT -5
The entire reason that I am on the pre-order list is that my BK Reference 30 had Audio-drop-out issues with my Directv HD DVR. UNACCEPTABLE. I sold that unit and am awaiting a working pre/pro - hopefully, the UMC-1. I am very concerned if the UMC-1 cannot positively lock onto the audio signal from DirecTV on an HD DVR. Let me put it more simply.... My plan is to order the UMC-1 and give it a try. Here is my definition of try: I will put it in my system and see if it works correctly. If it works correctly - I'm happy. If it doesn't work correctly, I will IMMEDIATELY call Emotiva and get an RMA number. I have no plans to do firmware updates in my home. I am not going to give anyone the benefit of the doubt that these issues will be fixed in short order. I will simply return the unit and buy something else. I just don't care to be beta-tester unless Emotiva puts me on their payroll. I don't think I'm being unreasonable. I want a quality product delivered the first time without any defects. There are no 2nd chances with me. I can't imagine you not returning a product that is as complicated as this one is. Why even order it in the first place? |
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 23, 2010 11:18:04 GMT -5
Exactly. If all units have the same firmware, you would think all of the UMC's are having this problem and most have not noticed. You probably wouldn't notice if by chance all of your speaker levels were right around 0. I'm not sure why that thread was locked either since it was civil. It does make you wonder. If you all look at Dan L post he asked that you PLEASE call or email Emotiva directly with your issues and not use the forum because a lot of the issues people are reporting here are not detailed enough for them to understand and if you call they can ask you specific questions so they can get a better understanding what exactly how your system is setup and what your doing and what it`s doing under what circumstance etc... it is way easier for them then wading through all the posts trying to understand what is what and why , Please go to post/thread - (the definitive UMC-1 status page from Big Dan) and scroll to the last post/page and you will understand the "call them directly" seems to go right over most peoples heads. it must make them "feel better" to vent on the internet than to talk to an actual person. |
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Post by Woodpecker on Feb 23, 2010 11:29:44 GMT -5
I'm not venting. I do use the phone and email as well. I do however think this 'forum' is a place to discuss, understand, and learn wouldn't you say? Hopefully that logic is not 'over your heads'.
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Post by broncsrule21 on Feb 23, 2010 11:34:04 GMT -5
Point taken. I just don't hear anyone saying..." I talked to _____ personally, and this is what they said."
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