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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 18:12:12 GMT -5
What issues are you having with yours? As you well know, I am awaiting my turn. There are a number of issues floating around of concern, but the one big one that I want fixed before I would finalize the order is the video processing problem that has been noted widely here. Like the dropout issue that you seem to have solved, that is of the type that will caue wife problems. I don't need that. Yes, that's what I thought. Yet you state you have 4 issues... what is the video processing problem you mention? My UMC-1 does an admirable job with video processing. |
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Post by jerrym303 on Feb 23, 2010 18:36:17 GMT -5
As you well know, I am awaiting my turn. There are a number of issues floating around of concern, but the one big one that I want fixed before I would finalize the order is the video processing problem that has been noted widely here. Like the dropout issue that you seem to have solved, that is of the type that will caue wife problems. I don't need that. Yes, that's what I thought. Yet you state you have 4 issues... what is the video processing problem you mention? My UMC-1 does an admirable job with video processing. You have been all over the threads where it is described. Donlt pretend. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 18:39:57 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I thought. Yet you state you have 4 issues... what is the video processing problem you mention? My UMC-1 does an admirable job with video processing. You have been all over the threads where it is described. Donlt pretend. No, I am being serious. What issue are you talking about? |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 23, 2010 18:40:57 GMT -5
jerrym303...I've been all over the threads also, but I am wondering also...what video processing problem are you referring to?
FYI, I have seen some mention various issues, but from what I know...all issues w/video have been addressed (typically people are saying that the UMC-1 won't do something that it is not designed to do...that's not an issue/bug...)
So, a repeat of dyohn's question...which specific video processing problem are you referring to?
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Post by SticknStones on Feb 23, 2010 18:44:44 GMT -5
Jerry, We created a issue form and ability to view all issues in play for those that are willing to participate. Do you mind adding your issue to the UMC Tracker? Here is the link; UMC Tracker SolutionThanks for your consideration. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 23, 2010 18:52:10 GMT -5
You have been all over the threads where it is described. Donlt pretend. No, I am being serious. What issue are you talking about? The only video processing problem I can think of is the problem dealing with 480i material locking the unit into 480p mode. |
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Post by jerrym303 on Feb 23, 2010 18:52:11 GMT -5
jerrym303...I've been all over the threads also, but I am wondering also...what video processing problem are you referring to? FYI, I have seen some mention various issues, but from what I know...all issues w/video have been addressed (typically people are saying that the UMC-1 won't do something that it is not designed to do...that's not an issue/bug...) So, a repeat of dyohn's question...which specific video processing problem are you referring to? Thx, Mark I don't have time to go reference it, but it is in several threads and I have seen no feedback from Emo or solutions from users. In pass-through mode, if the UMC sees a 480i signal, the UMC Swithces out of paasthough and upgades to 480p .... and then it stays there even if you send 1080 or 720. In Active or even forced 1080p mode, the UMC is re-processing 1080p signals and can degrade the picture. Dan guessed in one thread that it might be dwqonscaling to 1080i. So, there is no set it and leave it mode. It seem to me that the easiest fix (if it is not hardware-related), would be to make passthough a true passthorugh including 480i. many of us have pj's with very godd scalers and can handle all signal types just fine. Fixing the degradation would aslo sork for me, but I prefer the passthrougn. If someone has found a solution, I would be pleased to hear about. I have been watching, but i could have missed it. Could be typos here - in a hurry. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 19:01:25 GMT -5
jerrym303...I've been all over the threads also, but I am wondering also...what video processing problem are you referring to? FYI, I have seen some mention various issues, but from what I know...all issues w/video have been addressed (typically people are saying that the UMC-1 won't do something that it is not designed to do...that's not an issue/bug...) So, a repeat of dyohn's question...which specific video processing problem are you referring to? Thx, Mark I don't have time to go reference it, but it is in several threads and I have seen no feedback from Emo or solutions from users. In pass-through mode, if the UMC sees a 480i signal, the UMC Swithces out of paasthough and upgades to 480p .... and then it stays there even if you send 1080 or 720. In Active or even forced 1080p mode, the UMC is re-processing 1080p signals and can degrade the picture. Dan guessed in one thread that it might be dwqonscaling to 1080i. So, there is no set it and leave it mode. It seem to me that the easiest fix (if it is not hardware-related), would be to make passthough a true passthorugh including 480i. many of us have pj's with very godd scalers and can handle all signal types just fine. Fixing the degradation would aslo sork for me, but I prefer the passthrougn. If someone has found a solution, I would be pleased to hear about. I have been watching, but i could have missed it. Could be typos here - in a hurry. 1) The 480i thing is a design decision not a defect. If 480i passthrough is something you want then the UMC-1 is not for you. 2) In passthrough mode the UMC-1 I own switches to the resolution of the input but yes it still processes the signal. I do not use mine in this way because I find the processing of the UMC-1 to be superior to that in my display, but when I tested it using the resolution settings on my DirecTV receiver, it switched appropriately. I set mine to 1080p/60 and leave it there, and it works perfectly for me. 3) Yes, the UMC-1 may always do some processing on the video signal. If so this is also a design decision and not a defect. If it's not what you want, then again it's not for you. Obviously there will be no "solutions" to things that are not defects. If it's not what you want, then it's not what you want. But that does not make it defective. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 23, 2010 19:12:17 GMT -5
As you well know, I am awaiting my turn. There are a number of issues floating around of concern, but the one big one that I want fixed before I would finalize the order is the video processing problem that has been noted widely here. Like the dropout issue that you seem to have solved, that is of the type that will caue wife problems. I don't need that. Yes, that's what I thought. Yet you state you have 4 issues... what is the video processing problem you mention? My UMC-1 does an admirable job with video processing. Here are the issues, I believe: 1. Unit shut down upon incoming dropout 2. General problems playing with Directv HRxx DVRs 3. The video issues mentioned above (true pass-through with OSD is good enough for me). 4. Working sub Eq (well, all EQ). 5. Speaker trim levels lost at shut-down (my unit is off 95% of the time).. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 19:16:07 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I thought. Yet you state you have 4 issues... what is the video processing problem you mention? My UMC-1 does an admirable job with video processing. Here are the issues, I believe: 1. Unit shut down upon incoming dropout 2. General problems playing with Directv HRxx DVRs 3. The video issues mentioned above (true pass-through with OSD is good enough for me). 4. Working sub Eq (well, all EQ). 5. Speaker trim levels lost at shut-down (my unit is off 95% of the time).. Take a look at Dan Laufman's latest official update post... |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 23, 2010 19:19:01 GMT -5
The only video processing problem I can think of is the problem dealing with 480i material locking the unit into 480p mode. Are you saying that when the UMC is set to pass through and it gets a 480i signal, it automatically outputs it at 480p or that when you get a 480i signal the UMC will lock onto 480p and output EVERYTHING at 480p (even if its HD)? |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 23, 2010 19:24:21 GMT -5
The only video processing problem I can think of is the problem dealing with 480i material locking the unit into 480p mode. are you saying that anytime the UMC gets a 480i signal, the UMC gets locked onto 480p out put when its set to pass though? If that's the case it's got to be bug right? why would they design it to work that way? It's likely because 480i was simply the old NTSC broadcast standard and supporting it became optional under ATSC when analog broadcasting was shut down. Lonnie stated on the forum somewhere that the UMC-1 is designed to output 480p as a minimum resolution. There really is no current source for 480i material in the US except perhaps old VHS machines with RF outputs, and you can't use that on the UMC-1 anyway... although the UMC-1 will take the composite input... I believe the objection to this is coming from people with external VPs who do not want the UMC-1 to process the video signal in any way. Like I've said on a couple different threads now, if that's the case then perhaps the UMC-1 is simply not the right processor for them. |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 23, 2010 19:50:32 GMT -5
Here are the issues, I believe: 1. Unit shut down upon incoming dropout 2. General problems playing with Directv HRxx DVRs 3. The video issues mentioned above (true pass-through with OSD is good enough for me). 4. Working sub Eq (well, all EQ). 5. Speaker trim levels lost at shut-down (my unit is off 95% of the time).. Take a look at Dan Laufman's latest official update post... Oh, I know, I just pasted that from one of Jerry's older posts because he never really spelled it out again. |
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Post by elee532 on Feb 23, 2010 20:37:39 GMT -5
great job, dyohn! This is a great example of the positive use of this forum. When people come on and internalize the issues that are occuring & put positive energy into helping find a solution - good things result. When people come on merely to complain...well, it's a drain... But if people were not here discussing the issue (or, depending on your prespective, "complaining" about it), would dyohn have known or been motivated to find and post said solution? |
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Post by elee532 on Feb 23, 2010 20:48:46 GMT -5
I have often wondered why people jump on the forum just to complain rather than contact us directly to find a solution? I must be missing something somewhere ;D Because, more often than not, people may find that they get better support from fellow users on a forum like this than they do from a company's own customer service reps. I'm not saying this is the case with Emotiva, but I certainly understand why folks use a forum like this. Furthermore, it can be easier/faster to post a request for help than to call especially given that Emotiva is closed by the time most people get done with work. Oh, and as an aside, I really would suggest that Emotiva staff rethink the defensive tone in many of their posts. It comes across to me as amatuer and unprofessional. I mean, you have the company president taking jabs at people coming from that "other forum." For one, I'm pretty sure I see Emotiva advertising on that other forum.  And two, these people are your customers and it quite simply comes across as belittling sometimes.  |
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Post by klinemj on Feb 23, 2010 20:49:27 GMT -5
great job again dyohn in explaining the facts on the 480i! Very helpful.
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Post by markd on Feb 23, 2010 21:08:06 GMT -5
To me, the problem is not that 480i upscales to 480p, the bigger issue he is reporting is that the output STICKS on 480p ever after. . . so if you have say a VCR that sends 480i, and then you change to an Blu-ray, you are stuck at 480p until you manually change it back.
The question of whether or not 480i should be upscaled a design decision.
If the output permanently sticks at 480p, that's a BUG.
BTW, I still have a VCR with a stack of videos that the kids play (and a couple I suffer through ;-). It is hooked up with SVIDEO, at 480i.
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Post by LCSeminole on Feb 23, 2010 21:10:42 GMT -5
In case you haven't noticed, Big Dan has posted an update in his thread, "The definitive UMC-1 status page from Big Dan" at the top of the page. Very informative and sounds like another software update in about 2 more weeks.  |
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 23, 2010 21:12:49 GMT -5
great job, dyohn! This is a great example of the positive use of this forum. When people come on and internalize the issues that are occuring & put positive energy into helping find a solution - good things result. When people come on merely to complain...well, it's a drain... But if people were not here discussing the issue (or, depending on your prespective, "complaining" about it), would dyohn have known or been motivated to find and post said solution? Discussing issues is not what people are complaining about it`s when they say how come the Emo team are ignoring them or there not acknowledging my issues here on the forum or accusing Emo for this and that etc... when Dan L has said please bring your issues to us directly b y phone or emailing tech support so they know exactly what is what and why , discussions are fine just don`t EXPECT a fix here the forum was never intended to be the place to get a holed of Emotiva for issues or bugs that is what tech support is for not the forum that`s all |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 23, 2010 21:21:09 GMT -5
To me, the problem is not that 480i upscales to 480p, the bigger issue he is reporting is that the output STICKS on 480p ever after. . . so if you have say a VCR that sends 480i, and then you change to an Blu-ray, you are stuck at 480p until you manually change it back. The question of whether or not 480i should be upscaled a design decision. If the output permanently sticks at 480p, that's a BUG. BTW, I still have a VCR with a stack of videos that the kids play (and a couple I suffer through ;-). It is hooked up with SVIDEO, at 480i. I believe you are mistaken here. If you set the output to say 1080p, then it will hold 1080p. It doesn't matter whether the input is 480i or 1080p. |
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And two, these people are your customers and it quite simply comes across as belittling sometimes. 
