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Post by teaman on Apr 6, 2017 22:25:10 GMT -5
Meh... Kinda getting tired of this crap. Prices have been rising since I started purchasing gear from emotiva and can't really say quality has gotten better from China made to US made... Prices WERE increased for the dealer model... don't forget about that. Not really about rising costs of electronics... Not sure other stuff is rising in price at the same ratio as is being told here. I get it, their business their ball. But they need to remember that when you start nearing prices of other reputable brands that is where heads will turn towards. It happened to me with the processor and if I didn't already have emo amps I would likely have gone other routes. I think I'm beginning to like the old Emotiva not the new "class H" brand they are seeking to become. Who knows.. Oh boy, you're gonna be in big trouble mister...lol. I went back and forth months ago with Emotiva supporters here that when the company introduced a middle man....aka brick and mortar dealer....Emotiva would have to raise prices in order to cover the dealer margin. Dan and others argued that this was not going to be the case. Chinese production and Internet Direct pricing would not remain where it was if the production came back stateside, let alone adding into the mix a dealer getting a cut. The pricing now is very near that of other brands such as Parasound and others that come with fantastic accolades. I'm not knocking Emotiva and I have been happy with my purchases but I am really glad I got my gear when the getting was good. Even the jadedesign Ebay store listings have jumped considerably in recent months. Not that I mind, if I decide to sell that will probably weigh on my bottom line. I recently sold my Outlaw Audio M2200 monoblock amps because I was not a fan of the Class G/H sound. Like you say, not my company, not my ball. Emotiva can do what they see fitting to improve their bottom line. I have seen a Gen 3 XPA-5 sell yesterday for under a thousand bucks on Ebay and a Gen 3 XPA-2 is listed now in that same territory. Kind of crazy to see newly released amps reselling for $500 under cost after only a few months. I am still looking forward to some of the upcoming Emotiva gear but with reduced warranty time and rising prices I am in no hurry. Tim
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Post by deltadube on Apr 6, 2017 22:36:42 GMT -5
I REALLY THINK THIS IS THE JUPITER OPPOSITION EFFECT!!!
AND NOW WAR HAS STARTED
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Post by creimes on Apr 6, 2017 23:47:05 GMT -5
Meh... Kinda getting tired of this crap. Prices have been rising since I started purchasing gear from emotiva and can't really say quality has gotten better from China made to US made... Prices WERE increased for the dealer model... don't forget about that. Not really about rising costs of electronics... Not sure other stuff is rising in price at the same ratio as is being told here. I get it, their business their ball. But they need to remember that when you start nearing prices of other reputable brands that is where heads will turn towards. It happened to me with the processor and if I didn't already have emo amps I would likely have gone other routes. I think I'm beginning to like the old Emotiva not the new "class H" brand they are seeking to become. Who knows.. Don't tell me about rising costs, try living outside the US, Emotiva has become one of those brands for the rich, of course this is not their own fault but the US dollar is very expensive for us
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Post by tasdom on Apr 7, 2017 0:00:25 GMT -5
Meh... Kinda getting tired of this crap. Prices have been rising since I started purchasing gear from emotiva and can't really say quality has gotten better from China made to US made... Prices WERE increased for the dealer model... don't forget about that. Not really about rising costs of electronics... Not sure other stuff is rising in price at the same ratio as is being told here. I get it, their business their ball. But they need to remember that when you start nearing prices of other reputable brands that is where heads will turn towards. It happened to me with the processor and if I didn't already have emo amps I would likely have gone other routes. I think I'm beginning to like the old Emotiva not the new "class H" brand they are seeking to become. Who knows.. Don't tell me about rising costs, try living outside the US, Emotiva has become one of those brands for the rich, of course this is not their own fault but the US dollar is very expensive for us Ouch! That's an expensive XMC-1 I'd wait until it goes on sale....
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 7, 2017 1:28:59 GMT -5
This is in no way shape or form meant to criticize, but didn't Emotiva try the "no sales" thing before? Yes, and that decision was quickly reversed. Cheers Gary
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Post by mdoug32 on Apr 7, 2017 1:36:54 GMT -5
They said they were doing this years ago and I was confused when they didn't. My guess was it was a money thing to keep emotiva alive and get more product on the streets for those who wouldn't pay top dollar to give them a chance to prove they were worth every dime. They provide a great product at a great price. For people like me who have been here since the av123 days it left me wondering about the state of the company,great product or not, long term. Great product and future upgrade ability mean nothing if the company folds. Please know that I really hope emotiva survives I'm a fan not a hater..
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Post by Gary Cook on Apr 7, 2017 1:43:46 GMT -5
Don't tell me about rising costs, try living outside the US, Emotiva has become one of those brands for the rich, of course this is not their own fault but the US dollar is very expensive for us Cheap compared to Aussie price Buy At :$3,999.00Cheers Gary
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Post by vcautokid on Apr 7, 2017 4:22:10 GMT -5
I think Emotiva is doing the right thing. It is their business,and in the long run, it is about supporting us. New products, and more products made here in the USA too. There is more value added in Emotiva Audio products than ever before. No one for instance can beat the Stealth 8 pro monitors at double the price. I know. Because of my clients are in the Professional Music creation world. The XPA-1 mono blocks still have no peer for the price, and value new in the box with full warranty in place.
As for brands like Parasound which I sold for over 5 years, they are still more expensive, and don't offer more than Emotiva does. There is way more good happening here than elsewhere especially in high end audio where allot of gear is sold at sell your soul prices. Now I can't speak for rates of exchanges, or dealer pricing. That is their thing. Emotiva products have great value, and their performance speaks for itself. The price is still exceptionally competitive, and you still have a company that still follows the great core values of Service, Performance, Variety, and Support.
I think what Emotiva is doing is extremely fair, and on point.
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Post by Dan Laufman on Apr 7, 2017 8:10:36 GMT -5
Meh... Kinda getting tired of this crap. Prices have been rising since I started purchasing gear from emotiva and can't really say quality has gotten better from China made to US made... Prices WERE increased for the dealer model... don't forget about that. Not really about rising costs of electronics... Not sure other stuff is rising in price at the same ratio as is being told here. I get it, their business their ball. But they need to remember that when you start nearing prices of other reputable brands that is where heads will turn towards. It happened to me with the processor and if I didn't already have emo amps I would likely have gone other routes. I think I'm beginning to like the old Emotiva not the new "class H" brand they are seeking to become. Who knows.. Prices were NOT increased for the dealer model. Who else is building and selling fully balanced, 600 watt mono-block power amplifiers for $1,199.00?? Radio silence.... And by the way, the new Class H amplifier are better in very respect than the models they replace. Peace and love. Big Dan
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Post by Bonzo on Apr 7, 2017 8:51:46 GMT -5
I DID want to eliminate the sale thing couple of years ago and I blinked. I've been kicking myself ever since. I'd like to see video proof. I'll keep my comments short and sweet this time by saying, just know we will be holding you to this, and don't be surprised next time if we "call you names" when you change your mind again. Your "word" is on very thin ice with some of us here, so I guess you could call this a bit of a test. At least for 2017, because yes, I did notice you made no real promises for beyond that. Which is just fine, for now. Even I don't expect you to see into the future that far in advance. I just want to restate that I supported your "no sales" move years ago, and I again support it now. I think it's a good move. 2017 may be a hard pill to swallow for some (and me because an XMC is in my plans) , but I think the long run will be better. But as we all know my opinion means schiit. You do what you need to do to keep Emotiva going and your customers happy. Just keep the back and forth policies at bay and you won't have any arguments from me. Otherwise, you know the drill, and I predict any next backlash would be much more harsh (unless you do what I suggested to you years ago via PM when you reversed).
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Post by tripleb570 on Apr 7, 2017 9:10:13 GMT -5
I definitely understand the policy, but I would have started it with new products. The opposite can be said for older things. The XMC-1 was 1999 on sale and now 2499. That would turn me off from buying it, feeling I am paying more than other people have.
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Post by adaboy on Apr 7, 2017 9:14:42 GMT -5
Meh... Kinda getting tired of this crap. Prices have been rising since I started purchasing gear from emotiva and can't really say quality has gotten better from China made to US made... Prices WERE increased for the dealer model... don't forget about that. Not really about rising costs of electronics... Not sure other stuff is rising in price at the same ratio as is being told here. I get it, their business their ball. But they need to remember that when you start nearing prices of other reputable brands that is where heads will turn towards. It happened to me with the processor and if I didn't already have emo amps I would likely have gone other routes. I think I'm beginning to like the old Emotiva not the new "class H" brand they are seeking to become. Who knows.. Prices were NOT increased for the dealer model. Who else is building and selling fully balanced, 600 watt mono-block power amplifiers for $1,199.00?? Radio silence.... And by the way, the new Class H amplifier are better in very respect than the models they replace. Peace and love. Big Dan No radio Silence Big D, I am huge fan of the affordable Emotiva you built for guys like me when I started this journey. I want there to be the Emotiva that I trusted when the name meant nothing so that I can help others enjoy great products. Btw no one really needs 600 watt mono blocs can you bring back xpa-100's and other class AB starter mono blocs for $600 a pair like once was here? Radio silence check....
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Post by garbulky on Apr 7, 2017 9:20:36 GMT -5
Prices were NOT increased for the dealer model. Who else is building and selling fully balanced, 600 watt mono-block power amplifiers for $1,199.00?? Radio silence.... And by the way, the new Class H amplifier are better in very respect than the models they replace. Peace and love. Big Dan Btw no one really needs 600 watt mono blocs Whatddya mean nobody needs 600 watt monoblocks?! Hehehe.
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Post by adaboy on Apr 7, 2017 9:28:11 GMT -5
Btw no one really needs 600 watt mono blocs Whatddya mean nobody needs 600 watt monoblocks?! Hehehe. Hahahahaa I knew that was coming! Expecting a package any minute from Nick a (slapping jack in the box) 😂😂
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Post by adaboy on Apr 7, 2017 9:29:20 GMT -5
Btw no one really needs 600 watt mono blocs Whatddya mean nobody needs 600 watt monoblocks?! Hehehe. Ok ok I. Should say Most don't need a 600 watt mono bloc. There
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Post by gman1234 on Apr 7, 2017 9:36:40 GMT -5
Huge mistake, Sales get procrastinators off their butts, and encourage impulse buying. Ask retailers like JCPenney how the "everyday low price" policy worked. When researched, consumers actually admitted they wanted a "phony discount" as stupid as that sounds. Most retailers go back to the multi tiered pricing models after 'one price' kills sales. All the respect in the world for the guy that brought true high end to the masses. This was announced before only to "disappear". It will be interesting to see if it sticks this time. I'll tell you one thing, Dan's doing his best to get high end out for the lowest prices possible and I appreciate that very much. Overseas vs USA, 5 yr vs 3 yr warrantee, sales strategies, brick and mortar vs direct, all issues that Emotiva has to grapple with as it decides how to best serve it's customers. I beleive they are trying, but are they getting too far away from their original business model that worked so well?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Apr 7, 2017 10:39:34 GMT -5
For "impulse buying" I think that offering "package deals" is a better approach. For instance, Emotiva could offer an "Electronics Atmos Package" XMC-2 with an XPA-3m Gen3 and an XPA-8s Gen3 to support 7.n.4 systems with some reasonable package sales discount. This would avoid the "temporal sales effect" that Dan talked about and recognize the sales saving of sending someone a whole bunch of gear all at once.
Casey
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Post by novisnick on Apr 7, 2017 11:36:29 GMT -5
Ok ok I. Should say Most don't need a 600 watt mono bloc. There Thats Much Better!
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Post by bootman on Apr 7, 2017 11:42:53 GMT -5
I DID want to eliminate the sale thing couple of years ago and I blinked. I've been kicking myself ever since. I'd like to see video proof. I'll keep my comments short and sweet this time by saying, just know we will be holding you to this, and don't be surprised next time if we "call you names" when you change your mind again. Your "word" is on very thin ice with some of us here, so I guess you could call this a bit of a test. At least for 2017, because yes, I did notice you made no real promises for beyond that. Which is just fine, for now. Even I don't expect you to see into the future that far in advance. I just want to restate that I supported your "no sales" move years ago, and I again support it now. I think it's a good move. 2017 may be a hard pill to swallow for some (and me because an XMC is in my plans) , but I think the long run will be better. But as we all know my opinion means schiit. You do what you need to do to keep Emotiva going and your customers happy. Just keep the back and forth policies at bay and you won't have any arguments from me. Otherwise, you know the drill, and I predict any next backlash would be much more harsh (unless you do what I suggested to you years ago via PM when you reversed). You are making this personal when in reality it's just business. I just don't see why we have to hold Dan to his word about no sales. Markets are always changing and it is the owner's prerogative to change as well for the good of the business. This isn't like a missed product launch. ...speaking of which where is that XMC Atmos upgrade?
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Post by novisnick on Apr 7, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -5
I'd like to see video proof. I'll keep my comments short and sweet this time by saying, just know we will be holding you to this, and don't be surprised next time if we "call you names" when you change your mind again. Your "word" is on very thin ice with some of us here, so I guess you could call this a bit of a test. At least for 2017, because yes, I did notice you made no real promises for beyond that. Which is just fine, for now. Even I don't expect you to see into the future that far in advance. I just want to restate that I supported your "no sales" move years ago, and I again support it now. I think it's a good move. 2017 may be a hard pill to swallow for some (and me because an XMC is in my plans) , but I think the long run will be better. But as we all know my opinion means schiit. You do what you need to do to keep Emotiva going and your customers happy. Just keep the back and forth policies at bay and you won't have any arguments from me. Otherwise, you know the drill, and I predict any next backlash would be much more harsh (unless you do what I suggested to you years ago via PM when you reversed). You are making this personal when in reality it's just business. I just don't see why we have to hold Dan to his word about no sales. Markets are always changing and it is the owner's prerogative to change as well for the good of the business. This isn't like a missed product launch. ...speaking of which where is that XMC Atmos upgrade? "Its not personal, its business "
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