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Post by jamrock on Jul 12, 2011 20:47:13 GMT -5
My apology if I misunderstood you as well. But, do continue to post in the thread. You have made very valuable contributions to it, and maybe someone has or will learn something of value. I read the threads on this forum as a visitor for about 9 months before I finally joined, and I did learn a lot.
Speskers are the most important components in an A/V system. They are also the most subjective and controversial. It is for these reasons that I always fall back on objective measurements, as I believe that I can generate equally strong subjective sentiments as the other guy with nothing but my emotions to support my position. 20Hz-20Khz is my standard. And a quality built BS/SW combo is the best choice to fill your room with the full frequency range at a reasonable price.
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 12, 2011 20:53:01 GMT -5
The key word in your post is "reasonable".  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 0:16:37 GMT -5
Not to beat the horse here but it's all semantics boys and girls. Energy had one of the most famous sub/satellite systems ever made, the Take Five system, a 5.1 system. Some systems use fairly small bookshelf speakers like mine for the LCR and I happen to have the ERD-1's as the surrounds.
In my opinion the term satellite has been used to describe the smaller sized speakers use in any of the 5 or 7 positions but they are also in fact just small book shelf speakers. Some brands might make five different sized bookshelf speakers and use the smallest one in a recommended or even pre-packaged 5.1 system. Some folks prefer to use a bookshelf speaker versus one of the specifically designed bipole/dipole speakers.
IMO who the hell cares if you call them small bookshelf speakers or satellite speakers. The purpose is for surround speaker use and in some cases for LCR use also in a system where the buyer prefers small speaker all around.
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Post by drhatigan on Jul 13, 2011 1:16:47 GMT -5
I think that trying to categorize bookshelf and satellite speakers is not really worth worrying about. I have sold many different combinations of speakers whether it be the energy Take5, M&K S150 system to Polk LSI9s and B&W speakers. All respectable speaker companies, sorry Bose not included, make a decent effort with these kind of products. I have the M&K S150 system and the manufacturer themselves say its a satellite/sub combo. I think its a little crazy that they put them into that category, considering the size, amount of drivers, etc., but hey I am happy with them and will not be looking for an upgrade for a long time.
As far as the difference between towers and some sort of Sub combo, I think that there are too many variables to even make an argument for either. I think it boils down to personal choice, room size and shape, and what you actually listen to with them. I have heard a lot of great speakers in the last 10 years but its always going to be different to everyone else.
This is a very interesting topic, and its great to be part of the forums altogether to hear all the different opinions and situations.
Keep up the good discussions!
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Post by jamrock on Jul 13, 2011 16:39:13 GMT -5
Personally, If sub/sat alternates with bookshelf in speaker category, it does not take away from the fact that there needs to be a distinction of what we are referring to in this thread as a bookshelf/subwoofer combo. Therefore, I dare to make a further distinction: If your satellites have to be connected to a dedicated bass/midrange module rather then directly to your receiver or power amplifier, they are not bookshelf speakers. Also, if your satellites cannot measure at least -3dB, 120Hz - 20KHz, they are not bookshelf speakers.
It would be insulting in the least to compare the Bose Acoustimass sub/sat system to the Emotiva ERM 8.3 or any other FR speaker. However, I would not hesitate to compare the ERM 8.3 to a pair of ERM 6.3/2xU-12 combo. I hate to continue beating this dead horse (now glue). But some seem not motivated to make any distinction, which sort of muddy things quite a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2011 19:28:51 GMT -5
Personally, If sub/sat alternates with bookshelf in speaker category, it does not take away from the fact that there needs to be a distinction of what we are referring to in this thread as a bookshelf/subwoofer combo. Therefore, I dare to make a further distinction: If your satellites have to be connected to a dedicated bass/midrange module rather then directly to your receiver or power amplifier, they are not bookshelf speakers. Also, if your satellites cannot measure at least -3dB, 120Hz - 20KHz, they are not bookshelf speakers. It would be insulting in the least to compare the Bose Acoustimass sub/sat system to the Emotiva ERM 8.3 or any other FR speaker. However, I would not hesitate to compare the ERM 8.3 to a pair of ERM 6.3/2xU-12 combo. I hate to continue beating this dead horse (now glue). But some seem not motivated to make any distinction, which sort of muddy things quite a bit. I think most of the mud is in your head JammieNut! My hed is qwite cleer. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jul 13, 2011 19:57:34 GMT -5
"It was clear as mud but it covered the ground
And the confusion made the brain go 'round."
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Post by NorthStar on Jul 13, 2011 23:48:24 GMT -5
C'mon now guys, get your satellites together!
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Post by DYohn on Jul 14, 2011 1:09:29 GMT -5
Personally, If sub/sat alternates with bookshelf in speaker category, it does not take away from the fact that there needs to be a distinction of what we are referring to in this thread as a bookshelf/subwoofer combo. Therefore, I dare to make a further distinction: If your satellites have to be connected to a dedicated bass/midrange module rather then directly to your receiver or power amplifier, they are not bookshelf speakers. Also, if your satellites cannot measure at least -3dB, 120Hz - 20KHz, they are not bookshelf speakers. It would be insulting in the least to compare the Bose Acoustimass sub/sat system to the Emotiva ERM 8.3 or any other FR speaker. However, I would not hesitate to compare the ERM 8.3 to a pair of ERM 6.3/2xU-12 combo. I hate to continue beating this dead horse (now glue). But some seem not motivated to make any distinction, which sort of muddy things quite a bit. Whatever floats your boat. If you choose to place a convoluted restriction on how you use the term "satellite" speaker then knock yourself out. And if I choose to place a Bose cube on a shelf and call it a "bookshelf" speaker, then I will. |
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Post by jamrock on Jul 14, 2011 17:49:54 GMT -5
I was simply trying, since I'm the one who started this thread, to make sure that those who wish to contribute to the thread, especially that there is confusion concerning the definition of a bookshelf speaker/sub combo and a sat/sub system, that they clearly understand what I meant when I make reference to a bookshelf/sub combo. Now, if you find that to be convoluted, so be it! If a GMC Silverado (P/U) and a GMC Denali (SUV) are both referred to as trucks, who gives a rats ass if someone not familiar with these vehicles is confused. As long as you call them trucks, you are correct! But those familiar with these vehicles would tell you that despite the designation "trucks" they are 2 completely difference vehicles. It is so much better to provide the correct information rather than just tell someone that they are wrong, or that I don't agree with you.  |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jul 14, 2011 18:14:13 GMT -5
Being intimately involved in the GMT 800/805 programs, the Nissan X61B program and now the P42J/K program (these are all "trucks") there is very little difference in them (difference in manufacturers aside) other than P/U vs. SUV. You'd be surprised just how common the vehicles within a platform are. That said, Jamrock, I do understand what you were trying to say.  You made my point and yours in one analogy. ;D |
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Post by tteedd123 on Mar 12, 2018 14:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by tteedd123 on Mar 12, 2018 15:03:48 GMT -5
i have the XLS215 cerwin vegas with 2 xpa1s amazing thes speakers are great
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Post by tteedd123 on Mar 12, 2018 15:21:55 GMT -5
i have the XLS215 cerwin vegas with 2 xpa1s amazing thes speakers are great |
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Post by tteedd123 on Mar 12, 2018 15:45:18 GMT -5
ill go with my towers from cerwin vega xls 215s you dont even need a sub with theses speakers and the mids and highs are great as well ,they need the 600 what mono blocks to push them but the sound is unreal and the base goes right though you amazeing towers for the price
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You made my point and yours in one analogy. ;D
