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Post by cgolf on Jul 21, 2011 15:17:40 GMT -5
I had to turn off my subwoofer the other day because it was shaking everything in the house. I'm running my Axioms as full range and I'm surprised at how much bass I'm still getting. Certainly not the same as a sub, but much better than I would have thunk!!  Upgrade time, I can feeeeeeeeeeel it in my ears!!!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 16:00:58 GMT -5
Hey Terry, you sound like a local boy! I got the revelation from up on Poo-Poo Point. That's the green take off zone you can see for parasailers and hang gliders on the west side of Tiger. Don't forget to stop at the Issaquah Staples store and see the Staples parking lot Rooster, McNugget, right across from the Darigold plant. He lives in the doghouse adjacent to the Espresso stand. He's usually in calling distance and he loves corn if you have any. ;D Also visit the XXX Root Beer, the only XXX drive-in left in the US. It's just a half a block east of Front St. on Gilman. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X1ti7qS8NQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Gr_8sf0G0www.triplexrootbeer.com/ |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 16:21:30 GMT -5
I will be 100% honest here in saying that the ONLY reason I have not tried Emotiva speakers is because they all have the roll off at 80hz, including their tower speakers. Hey Dave, (Dave's not here man!) ;D Wait until Roadrunner gets a hold of you! He'll ring your neck for spreading lies! Emotiva's only tower the ERT-8.3 is down -2dB's at 45Hz. ;D ;D ;D emotiva.com/ert83.shtm |
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 21, 2011 16:37:35 GMT -5
I will be 100% honest here in saying that the ONLY reason I have not tried Emotiva speakers is because they all have the roll off at 80hz, including their tower speakers. Hey Dave, (Dave's not here man!) ;D Wait until Roadrunner gets a hold of you! He'll ring your neck for spreading lies! Emotiva's only tower the ERT-8.3 is down -2dB's at 45Hz. ;D ;D ;D emotiva.com/ert83.shtm...OOPS!  My bad, I was thinking that all of them rolled off at 80 hz. Sorry Ronnie!  ;D  |
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 21, 2011 16:42:11 GMT -5
Paintedklown
I hate to do this, but you were incorrect when you said all the Emotiva speakers roll off at 80Hz, even their towers. Actually, the ERT-8.3 has a posted response curve of 45Hz to 20KHz +/- 2dB. The 8.3 is a true Full Range speaker that has strong bass response down to about 30Hz. When playing some of my Reference Recordings HDCD encoded media containing bass drum and pipe organs there is no noticable loss of bass response. No, it is not going to match a good musical sub woofer in that range, but there is practically no recorded music in existance that contains signals below 40Hz.
When playing calibration test tones at 50Hz, 40Hz, and 30Hz I could detect no difference in their output level until I played the 30Hz track; and, even then the 30Hz track was very tight and clean with just a hint of less output. For music, there is really very little need for a sub woofer to support the ERT-8.3 speakers. For HT usage, to play those subsonic special effects you would definitely want to add a good sub woofer.
Note: OOPS. While I was posting this I see that Chuckienut already let you know about the real performance range and I see you already apologized. You quick fingered guys are just to fast for me to keep up with. LOL
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 21, 2011 16:53:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification and correct info Roadrunner.  My head must have been elsewhere. For some reason, I was thinking that ALL Emo speakers rolled of at 80 hz. Not sure why but I have had that stuck in my head for a long time now...  |
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Post by Pauly on Jul 21, 2011 17:03:05 GMT -5
So Dave, knowing that new info means it's time for you buy a pair of 8.3's right? lol
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 21, 2011 17:05:17 GMT -5
So Dave, knowing that new info means it's time for you buy a pair of 8.3's right? lol Well it certainly puts them back on my list of gear to consider when buying new towers (that may be a long time from now though). By then, every manufacturer will (more than likely) be on their next models/series of speakers.  ;D One thing I have read about the Emo speakers that really attracts me to them, is that they have been described as dark by some. I really like the idea of buying dark sounding speakers. For some reason I react badly to bright highs. I always think EVERY speaker I hear sounds sibilant. No matter what room it's in or electronics are in front of it. Focal 800 series towers being the exception (but I would need more time with them as well), and I haven't yet had the opportunity to really listen to Magnepans (although I did for a short bit one day), and I am excited to hear Paradigm and Aperion speakers as well. EDIT: NOT trying to thread-jack Chuckie here. Just flappin' my gums. I love talking about gear and speakers, what can I say? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 2:16:15 GMT -5
Thread-jacking it not only allowed but encouraged (two thumbs up) in sneak previews at the lounge. ;D
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jul 22, 2011 3:31:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification and correct info Roadrunner. My head must have been elsewhere. For some reason, I was thinking that ALL Emo speakers rolled of at 80 hz. Not sure why but I have had that stuck in my head for a long time now... BTW, they only start to roll off at 80Hz. Emo-Q actually sets my 6.3s to full and boosts 31.5Hz (or whatever it is) by about 6db and the 63 area by 3 or 4db. I am running mine at 60Hz XO at the moment and they sound great. I really want to do a nearfield frequency plot (and at the listening position too of course) as oddly Emotiva do not have an FR plot on the web, IMO it should be included in the specs, something like Rythmik have would be great, i.e. showing with all the different switch options. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 4:54:34 GMT -5
It would be a great service if you could run full range frequency plots. The 6.3s should be able to do 60Hz depending on their excursion limits. I've had 6.5"-7" midwoofer drivers that didn't do well even at 80Hz and my current ones which can go lower. I've kept the crossover at 80Hz because my subs handle 80Hz so well and their distortion is lower (I think, someday I'll run a distortion sweep if the software is free) at sub frequencies.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jul 22, 2011 6:36:07 GMT -5
I'll try to do this - I am actually going to be on my own on Saturday evening so this may be on for this weekend.  I have a 0 degree calibration file for my mic so I can easily do a 0 degree, on-axis full range sweep. I may also do vertical and horizontal off-axis ones too while I am at it. Given the 6.3s power handling, I suspect they will look very good and the drop off is more a function of the internal cross-over (i.e. by design) rather than an limit of the drivers. At some point I would also like to play with using an active cross-over on them, something like the UPA-1 for the 6.5" drivers and one of the "coming soon" little 2 channel amps for the mids and the tweeter. Could be fun. I'm playing with the lower XO at the moment to see what it does for bass effects, especially at the back of the room. I may well end up at maybe 70Hz - more critical listening due at the weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 9:46:41 GMT -5
I don't know if using an active crossovers will have much benefit. It depends on getting frequency, slopes, and delay correct. Perhaps the crossovers are so good that they cannot be improved upon. I'm playing devil's advocate here because I do "know" that my speakers sound better than most others I've heard and compare favorably with my Sennheiser HD600s. Perhaps I am delusional about them and they just sound good to me because I made them. It doesn't matter I guess as they give me a great deal of pleasure.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jul 22, 2011 10:33:54 GMT -5
I don't know if using an active crossovers will have much benefit. It depends on getting frequency, slopes, and delay correct. I'm more interested in it as a fun/interesting/educational project, I don't think I could beat VD's crossover in my room - maybe if I had an anechoic chamber to play with. And when done, if it does not sound or measure better, a couple of clips and it's back the way it was. |
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Post by hdtv4you on Jul 22, 2011 14:49:54 GMT -5
Yup Chuckie I am a local, down in Auburn. I have lurked here for a long time, always wanting to buy, but due to being unemployed for way to long I have not been able to buy. I am in the New Home building business and as you know it is like gravity around here, it sux.
I will pull the plug as soon as I get back to work, and yes I read with interest everything you post on Emo products, which has helped me with what I will buy. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2011 15:38:15 GMT -5
I don't know if using an active crossovers will have much benefit. It depends on getting frequency, slopes, and delay correct. I'm more interested in it as a fun/interesting/educational project, I don't think I could beat VD's crossover in my room - maybe if I had an anechoic chamber to play with. And when done, if it does not sound or measure better, a couple of clips and it's back the way it was. There is a lot of fun in being able to adjust the crossovers and equalization on the fly. I do think it sounds better too, why I'm not at all certain, perhaps bandlimiting the drivers, the increased efficiency, no coils in the signal path, etc. |
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 22, 2011 18:45:37 GMT -5
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I suspect the 6.3 probably has usable output down to around 55Hz just based on listening to music CDs. I am curious to learn how close my casual listening is to being accurate. My ear tells me the 6.3 speakers begin to reveal an audible drop in volume around 55Hz to 60Hz when listening to jazz and blues CDs. Have you any feel how low they go, just based on your music listening, before you become aware of decreased output? I look forward to seeing your plots, at one meter and at your listening position. Have fun!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2011 0:49:35 GMT -5
Yup Chuckie I am a local, down in Auburn. I have lurked here for a long time, always wanting to buy, but due to being unemployed for way to long I have not been able to buy. I am in the New Home building business and as you know it is like gravity around here, it sux. I will pull the plug as soon as I get back to work, and yes I read with interest everything you post on Emo products, which has helped me with what I will buy. ;D Hey Neighbor Terry, sorry about the big downturn. Hopefully things will turn around soon and you'll have plenty of new homes to build. Hope you save up for a rainy day (although it never rains in the Seattle area ;D) when things are booming! ;D |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jul 23, 2011 7:50:28 GMT -5
Nemesis I suspect the 6.3 probably has usable output down to around 55Hz just based on listening to music CDs. I am curious to learn how close my casual listening is to being accurate. My ear tells me the 6.3 speakers begin to reveal an audible drop in volume around 55Hz to 60Hz when listening to jazz and blues CDs. Have you any feel how low they go, just based on your music listening, before you become aware of decreased output? I look forward to seeing your plots, at one meter and at your listening position. Have fun! I pretty much always have the subs engaged so can't reliably comment, I definitely feel there is good output down to 60Hz anyway - I'm hoping to get the mic/laptop out later to produce some proper plots but work has been mental and I'm pretty tired and still have work to do.  We'll see later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2011 0:35:49 GMT -5
TINY PREVIEWFed-Ex delivered the single ERM-6.3 this afternoon. Just to give you perhaps a tiny preview. I'm very critical when it comes to the sound I like after all these years. I have hooked up the 6.3 as mono of course (no sub) playing the left channel and currently aimed at my computer chair. I'm breaking it in, only two hours so far, and I'll let it run 24 hours a day for awhile. I'm currently playing an album by Fred Benedetti and Peter Pupping titled, Morning Has Broken - Acoustic Guitar Classics Vol. II. Play list: Homeward Bound, Play Me, Morning Has Broken, House On Pooh Corner, Danny's Song, Have I Told You Lately That I Love You, Piano Man, I Have To Say I Love You In a Song, Here, There and Everywhere, Sounds of Silence, Let It Be, If I Fell, Something, Wild World, Shower the People. www.amazon.com/Morning-Has-Broken-Acoustic-Classics/dp/B00005B6WYThis is a highly recommended (by the Nut) album of two acoustic guitar artist (and I really mean artists), beautiful arrangements and very well recorded. Several other duets by this pair. I do believe there is an audible benefit in breaking in a dynamic speaker. However, if this 6.3 sounds anything after the break-in period like it does right now, only into the second hour of playback, I'll be ecstatic! I'm not trying to get ahead of myself but I'm smiling from ear to ear with what I'm hearing. After the break-in I'll do some detailed tests and an A/B with my ERM-1 as I mentioned above. Stay tuned folks. That old fart, Roadrunner, just might be on to something! (ERC-2 - Sony DA4ES, analog direct - XPA-5)
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My bad, I was thinking that all of them rolled off at 80 hz. 
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