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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 1:21:25 GMT -5
(In response to posted comments by Roadrunner)
Roadrunner, as you know, I'v been extremely happy with my Emo ERM-1's LCR (and also my ERD-1's), slightly smaller brother of the Emo 6.2's. The ERM-1's IMO are the real hidden secret of Emo's original speaker line. I say that because so many folks dismissed them due to their smaller size. However, a bookshelf with the same tweeter as in the 8.3 and two very high power handling 5.25's in a 18lb enclosure is no slouch. I think Emo missed the boat by not taking the five star review from Audioholics and running with it. I could have sold a million of them.
That said, I have been hearing a voice the last few months. It is Monkumonku, The Speaker Whisperer, ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade"................ I can't get it out of my mind. During the 4th of July sale the subliminal message entered my impressionable elderly mind. However, the left ERM-1 on its Bello stand partially blocks the recessed shelves behind it. Usually it is no problem. A 6.3/8.3 or 6.3 LCR system might not be so easily to move when I need full access to the shelves. I anticipate with the 8.3 having to modify the outriggers with casters so I could easily move it a foot or two when needed. I knew that would take some effort so I decided to put that idea on hold until the next sale.
Then the last day of the sale when I was hiking on Tiger Mountain, I got a sudden brainstorm, just like a revelation from above. Either an upgrade 3ea 6.3/LCR system or more likely a 6.3/2ea 8.3 system would include the 6.3. Why not order one only 6.3 now and take the time to thoroughly test and evaluate it. If I like and keep it then I can later order the additional 8.3's or 6.3's.
Since I'm intimately (they're non-ported) extensively familiar with the SQ of the ERM-1's, I'm sure I have a very close idea of the SQ on the 8.3. The 8.3 is just an ERM-1 mounted on a enclosure with two 8" drivers. Emo does not reveal their crossover points but these two should be quite similar in the upper mids and highs. However, since the 6.3 is a three way versus the two way of the ERM-1 and 6.2, it has my curiosity to its possible increased clarity and definition on dialog and voices as you have frequently mentioned in your posts. Normally I would say no, I'll take the simple 2 way in a smaller enclosure for a many times superior SQ in this area IMO. However, I know that Emo and Vance do things right, so my curiosity to test the 6.3 has overwhelmed any hesitation.
I'll do a general SQ evaluation on the 6.3 in a mono mode away from and nearer to the wall using all the tweeter, midrange and boundary compensation controls. I'll also do an A/B comparison side by side (probably not blind since my wife is in Japan for quite some time) with the 6.3 and the ERM-1 both in a vertical mode such as left channel and also in a horizontal mode on top of my Emotiva SS-6 center speaker stand. I will also do some frequency response and speaker sensitivity (efficiency) tests.
This is just a short ( ;D ) post to wet your appetite for my upcoming review/mini-mono-shootout. It will take some time and effort so please be patient. I do promise my review will be posted (perhaps with nice 8 x 10 blow-ups) before the release of the XMC-1!
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 21, 2011 3:18:21 GMT -5
Chuckienut Like you, I thought the ERM-1 was Emotiva's hidden treasure in their speaker line. With a little marketing effort the ERM-1 could have been one of their top sellers... great sound quality at extremely low price. When Emotiva closed out the ERM-1 I was shocked, but took the opportunity to buy three of the ERM-1 speakers and a pair of ERD-1 surrounds. Chuckienut and I both jumped on this huge bargain since Emotiva was practically giving the ERM-1s away. I was happy to see that Chuckienut has been bitten by the upgrade bug and is going to evaluate the ERM-6.3 speaker. I know, full well, his love for the sound of the ERM-1 speakers, and I am certain that adding the ERM-6.3 to his system will allow him to enjoy his musical experience on a whole new plateau -- sonic nirvana. I, myself, experienced that ride on cloud nine when I heard what the ERM-6.3 speakers did for my listening enjoyment. The duo four inch drivers greatly enhance the realism of the midrange and treble. I would love to see the smile on Chuckienut's face when he listens to Norah Jones' vocals thru the 6.3. Male and female voices plus the tone and timbre of musical instruments take on a more convincing property. I anxiously await Chuckienut's thorough evaluation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 3:31:17 GMT -5
That's why my anticipation Roadrunner. Emotiva looks like they took the ERM-6.2 (with 1" tweeter and 2ea 6.5" bass/mid), stretched the enclosure out to 26" and added 2ea 4" drivers in the middle. Now with many lesser brands that would make me suspicious that it might cause the dialog and vocals to be more prominent, but not flat, and also more colored at the same time.
The fact that it's Emo and Mr. Dickason here leads me to believe you are correct and I'll have the same opinion. Standby..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 4:01:46 GMT -5
Great info, thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 4:43:34 GMT -5
You're welcome Theresa. That's exactly why we have these old fart disabled and senior citizen folks here to help out you young RN members.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 4:52:50 GMT -5
You're welcome Theresa. That's exactly why we have these old fart disabled and senior citizen folks here to help out you young RN members. I'm disabled and "older" too. Just got offered a bunch of new free services from my credit union for being 55 and older. I'm 56. I grew up with tubes I'm so old. Just another old hippy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 5:18:01 GMT -5
I grew up with tubes I'm so old. You mean the ones that were in TV's? I remember very fondly of having to open up the back of the TV and taking all the tubes down to the drug store to test in the tube tester. Wow, those were the good old days. ;D (There are folks now days that still want tubes in their amps, yikes! I hope they last longer than the ones in our TV.) |
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Post by wizardofoz on Jul 21, 2011 6:41:46 GMT -5
I too snapped up a set of 5 erm-1's and a pair of erd-1's to boot in the runout sale and lugged them back from LA to singapore much to my wife's amusement...lucky we had business class and frequent flyer allowances of 80kgs each.
Recently managed to snag a 6.3 preloved here and have that as my centre with a spare erm-1 for 6.1 or just as spare parts, or maybe use my erd's for the surrounds now and drop 3 erm-1's in another room as LCR with some odd ball surrounds just for fun.
I must say I love the bigger 6.3 with it's effortless centre fill and throw when watching movies...
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Post by cgolf on Jul 21, 2011 8:26:50 GMT -5
I had 3 -- 6.3s for my LCR about a year ago but sold them and have since gone through the dreaded Swans and now I'm back to Axioms.
From one older hippy to some others--you keep talking like this and I might have to try the 6.3s again. ;D
Not only do I remember going and having tubes tested, but I remember having to move the degauzer ring in front of the first color TVs to get the colors all synced up.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 8:42:29 GMT -5
Thanks Wizard, I hadn't thought about the inherent wider center effect of the 6.3, although it might be relatively minimal in my room since my LCR's are quite close together and tight as far as width goes on the front soundstage.
I will do the A/B using an RCA splitter/switcher from the left channel pre out to two of the XPA-5's amp channels so that I can switch back and forth between the ERM-1 and the 6.3 with the left channel only. Emo says they are both 89dB's but I presume there will be some difference (anyone want to guess which has the higher sensitivity at 1kHz?). I of course will turn off the sub so to evaluate the two speakers only. I tested the FR of the ERM-1 before and it virtually dropped off a cliff below 80Hz, just like it is suppose to. I believe that makes for a smooth cross to a sub at 80Hz; tight, clean and defined bass. Of course the other speakers are all set to "small" (just as God intended them to be ;D). My ERM-1 tested quite flat including the very critical IMO 100-500Hz range. I'll use the boundary switch depending on whether I have the speakers out away from the wall (boundary switch off) in my main channel A/B or in their normal playback position near the wall (boundary switch on). In the A/B test on the SS-6 center stand which is on the mantel right up against the wall I'll of course have the boundary switch on. In all A/B tests, I'll first see which positions on the tweeter and mids toggles provide the flattest response. I plan to use left channel source music/vocals and also dialog from left channel talking sources so that I get an ultra clean full output signal to compare the two speakers on the center channel stand. This of course will be in the analog mode from the ERC-2 thru the "analog direct" mode on the Sony ES receiver to test with the the cleanest possible sources. All cables will be Emo X-Series RCA. The standard power cord on the XPA-5 amp will be upgraded with a power cable from my 38 year old model 271 Farbreware high current toaster. Speaker wire will be HD's 12 AWG 99.9997% hydrogen-free, PCOCC, solid-core Ultra XT32 zip cable.
This will obviously be an epic undertaking of immense proportions. Any suggestions for testing parameters or procedures are most welcome.
Chuckienut Testing Laboratory
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 21, 2011 11:29:48 GMT -5
Thanks Wizard, I hadn't thought about the inherent wider center effect of the 6.3, although it might be relatively minimal in my room since my LCR's are quite close together and tight as far as width goes on the front soundstage. I will do the A/B using an RCA splitter/switcher from the left channel pre out to two of the XPA-5's amp channels so that I can switch back and forth between the ERM-1 and the 6.3 with the left channel only. Emo says they are both 89dB's but I presume there will be some difference (anyone want to guess which has the higher sensitivity at 1kHz?). I of course will turn off the sub so to evaluate the two speakers only. I tested the FR of the ERM-1 before and it virtually dropped off a cliff below 80Hz, just like it is suppose to. I believe that makes for a smooth cross to a sub at 80Hz; tight, clean and defined bass. Of course the other speakers are all set to "small" (just as God intended them to be ;D). My ERM-1 tested quite flat including the very critical IMO 100-500Hz range. I'll use the boundary switch depending on whether I have the speakers out away from the wall (boundary switch off) in my main channel A/B or in their normal playback position near the wall (boundary switch on). In the A/B test on the SS-6 center stand which is on the mantel right up against the wall I'll of course have the boundary switch on. In all A/B tests, I'll first see which positions on the tweeter and mids toggles provide the flattest response. I plan to use left channel source music/vocals and also dialog from left channel talking sources so that I get an ultra clean full output signal to compare the two speakers on the center channel stand. This of course will be in the analog mode from the ERC-2 thru the "analog direct" mode on the Sony ES receiver to test with the the cleanest possible sources. All cables will be Emo X-Series RCA. The standard power cord on the XPA-5 amp will be upgraded with a power cable from my 38 year old model 271 Farbreware high current toaster. Speaker wire will be HD's 12 AWG 99.9997% hydrogen-free, PCOCC, solid-core Ultra XT32 zip cable. This will obviously be an epic undertaking of immense proportions. Any suggestions for testing parameters or procedures are most welcome. Chuckienut Testing Laboratory Oh just shut up and tell us your results already. ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 12:02:07 GMT -5
Oh, so you think I'm dragging this out a little too much?
Sorry, that's the end of our program for today. Please tune in again next week when we will ask the important question, is Chuckienut really a nut or is that just a stupid screen name?
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Jul 21, 2011 12:17:34 GMT -5
OK our appetites have all had a good whetting (i.e. been sharpened rather than soaked) and we are now waiting with baited breath.  The widening of the centre can be a good thing depending on your setup too, especially for 2 channel sources IME. Sincerely, The 6.3 junkie.  |
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Post by 2infinity on Jul 21, 2011 12:17:40 GMT -5
Thanks Chuckie, great info as usual!
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Post by cgolf on Jul 21, 2011 12:34:21 GMT -5
Just GET ER DONE!!!!!! ;D so if I need to sell my Axioms and reget the 6.3s, I can do that.....................  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 13:05:22 GMT -5
OK, OK .... the 6.3 won't even be delivered until next Monday! Back off you hombres!
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 21, 2011 13:29:24 GMT -5
OK, OK .... the 6.3 won't even be delivered until next Monday! Back off you hombres! Well can you post a review based on what you think it will sound like? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2011 13:41:23 GMT -5
Monkumonku, The Speaker Whisperer, ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade" ..... "upgrade"................ I think it will sound like a veil has been lifted ..... I think it will sound like a veil has been lifted ..... I think it will sound like a veil has been lifted ..... I think it will sound like a veil has been lifted..... I think it will sound like a veil has been lifted.................
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Post by hdtv4you on Jul 21, 2011 14:59:04 GMT -5
Chuckie
Dude if you were on Tiger Mtn. when you felt something from above, I hate to tell you that was the BUZZZZZZZZZZZ from that big antenna thingie up top. MICROWAVES, but hey if that means that you got the "WORD FROM ABOVE" let it be and enjoy the new toys. I am going to Tiger this weekend and hope to get the WORD to go buy that new bad assed Supercharged Cadillac coupe that I want. ;D
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Post by paintedklown on Jul 21, 2011 15:06:55 GMT -5
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAA!!!! This thread has me laughing my pants off!  ;D ;D ;D You guys should become stand up comedians...I am sure people would pay good money for the audio-comic routine. I too, am looking forward to your findings Chuckie. I have read so much great stuff about Emotiva's speakers on here. It seems to me that, for the most part, those who give these a shot, end up really liking them a lot. I also like the fact that they were designed along side Vance Dickason. For those of you who do not know who Vance is, he is the guy who wrote the book (literally, he wrote THE book) on loudspeakers and encloseures. The book is entitled "The Loudspeaker Design Cookbook" for those of you that are interested. I will be 100% honest here in saying that the ONLY reason I have not tried Emotiva speakers is because they all have the roll off at 80hz, including their tower speakers. I am the kind of guy who leans toward the idea of buying full range towers and running no subwoofer for music listening. Not trying to open that can of worms here...just saying. I will keep checking back for that review Chuckie. |
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