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Post by jamrock on Oct 18, 2012 16:13:38 GMT -5
Toney: I searched for this answer but could not find it even on the AVS owner's thread. When using the rear HDMI input, Do you have to manually turn on the 103, or is it done automatically by signal sensing? I do think that if we are going to be able to use this input for set top boxes, etc., it should be always hot. Thanx for your response.
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Post by billmac on Oct 18, 2012 17:02:30 GMT -5
Toney: I searched for this answer but could not find it even on the AVS owner's thread. When using the rear HDMI input, Do you have to manually turn on the 103, or is it done automatically by signal sensing? I do think that if we are going to be able to use this input for set to boxes, etc., it should be always hot. Thanx for your response. You have to turn the 103 on to use either HDMI input. When you power up the 103 you then have to use the INPUT button on the remote to toggle to either of the HDMI inputs. I'm not sure if you can setup a universal remote such as a Harmony to power up the 103 and also select one of the HDMI inputs. That way you could have a specific input function for TV viewing with a cable/SAT box to take advantage of the 103's video processing. Bill |
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Post by jamrock on Oct 18, 2012 17:14:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Bill. This means that I've got to find a way to automatically turn on the 103 and select the HDMI rear input once the TV is turned on (for Ms jamrock of course). I need to run the set top box through the 103 in order to take advantage of the excellent video processing. Especially that the XMC-1 has no video processing. I need to determine a logical & easy fix within 8 weeks  |
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Post by billmac on Oct 18, 2012 17:51:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Bill. This means that I've got to find a way to automatically turn on the 103 and select the HDMI rear input once the TV is turned on (for Ms jamrock of course). I need to run the set top box through the 103 in order to take advantage of the excellent video processing. Especially that the XMC-1 has no video processing. I need to determine a logical & easy fix within 8 weeks My pleasure jam  . The solution might be a universal remote. I'm not at home but possibly there is a discrete code for the HDMI inputs that would enable the use of a universal remote. In other words with a Harmony remote you could have a TV function setup so with one press of a button all your components including the 103 will power up and be set to the correct inputs. The wildcard is if there is a discrete code from Oppo for the HDMI inputs. If I have time tomorrow I'll check to see if those codes are in my Harmony database. Bill |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 18, 2012 17:52:16 GMT -5
Just exactly what has Oppo done to the BDP-103's outputs to optimize HDMI #1 output for video and HDMI #2 output for audio? How is this any different than the BDP-93? Besides an update to the QDEO video processor for 4k upconversion, what is it doing to optimize the video? What exactly is the HDMI #2 output doing to optimize the uncompressed 0's and 1's of the LPCM/DTS-HD MA/DolbyTrueHD tracks? Has Oppo found a way to make uncompressed tracks sound better on their BDP-103 than all other blu-ray players on the market including their 83/93/and 95? I can say from what I heard on AVS that only HDMI 2 will do DSD, that may not necessarily be "optimized" but it is an audio feature unique to 2. Oppo is also (still) recommending that for an optimal setup that HDMI 1 go directly to the Monitor and HDMI 2 to the processor. But if DSD is of no concern, or bypassing say a UMC-1 for 3D, then I doubt there would be any benefit gained from doing more than a single cable from HDMI 1. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 18, 2012 18:33:58 GMT -5
Its ironic in my case that I've been using my BDP-93 in the way that Oppo states is optimized. I use both HDMI outputs so that I can use the QDEO processor as a straight through to my display thus only having the UMC-1 process the audio. Once the XMC-1 is released, I will go back to the one HDMI cable option. I'm going to have to weed through the AVS thread on the 103 & 105 and find out just exactly what is so optimized.  |
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Post by ansat on Oct 18, 2012 19:30:07 GMT -5
Hey bill. You can use the 103 as a dac via its hdmi. I tested this earlier. To test I did hdmi in. And used the analog section of the oppo . Sounded great. sent from my phone. sorry for the short response. Tony Hey Tony, Thanks for that information . I haven't had the time to try the HDMI inputs. I've been too busy playing SACDs and DVD-As ;D. But I'll have to take the time to try my cable box through the 103. Overall what are your thoughts of the 103? Bill So far I am happy with the video processing and the audio. It is quick and works without any bugs under my normal use. My only gripe would be rack mounting it, I would prefer I have the option if I want to keep the front ir on when using the remote port in back and if you are going to recommend a 2 hdmi setup. Then dont be cheap and only include one. Thats a short list compared to other gear in the rack. sent from my phone. sorry for the short response. Tony |
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Post by ansat on Oct 18, 2012 19:31:50 GMT -5
Toney: I searched for this answer but could not find it even on the AVS owner's thread. When using the rear HDMI input, Do you have to manually turn on the 103, or is it done automatically by signal sensing? I do think that if we are going to be able to use this input for set top boxes, etc., it should be always hot. Thanx for your response. I will see if hdmi cec can control the input I will have to perform inception with a blu within a blu to do it but it shouls be a easy test. sent from my phone. sorry for the short response. Tony |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 18, 2012 20:41:07 GMT -5
I will see if hdmi cec can control the input I will have to perform inception with a blu within a blu to do it but it shouls be a easy test. Great movie, be sure to make it back. |
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Post by ansat on Oct 18, 2012 21:49:29 GMT -5
Cec doesn't work on the inputs.
sent from my phone. sorry for the short response. Tony
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Post by jamrock on Oct 19, 2012 6:39:19 GMT -5
Tony. Thanks for all the help. I talked to Ms jamrock about this seeming complexity with getting the best picture from the TV. She reminded me that she graduated from NYU - Just show her what remotes she must use and what buttons she needed to push. LMAO ;D
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Post by klinemj on Oct 19, 2012 6:50:07 GMT -5
LOL! Been there, done that! That approach works fine until the first time "this thing doesn't do what it's supposed to" (despite the fact that the operator is trying to do something the "thing" doesn't do what she she wants to do...)
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Post by ansat on Oct 19, 2012 8:04:10 GMT -5
Harmony might work. Havnt tried to set it up with it yet. I am waiting for logitech to reconize it as a input device before I try. Also we are on the first public fw on oppos first machine with inputs. I am sure there are changes to come
sent from my phone. sorry for the short response. Tony
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Post by jamrock on Oct 19, 2012 8:12:44 GMT -5
It would be nice to know if anyone has discussed this issue with Oppo. This is a great feature, but challenging to use (by todays standard). It's like putting the cookies out of the reach of the children  |
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Post by billmac on Oct 19, 2012 9:19:01 GMT -5
Harmony might work. Havnt tried to set it up with it yet. I am waiting for logitech to reconize it as a input device before I try. Also we are on the first public fw on oppos first machine with inputs. I am sure there are changes to come Tony Tony, The 103 is in the Harmony data base and I have it loaded on my 688. I have the Input button setup as one of my additional buttons. As I mentioned earlier you have to press the Input button to go from BR Player >>> MHL HDMI Input >>> Rear HDMI Input >>> ARC output. I think it would be easy for Oppo to create discrete codes for each of these inputs and output. I contacted Oppo awhile back to see if in the future a discrete code could be added for the SACD PCM and DSD settings. Oppo responded that it would not be possible as those settings were only accessed through the players menu. So with the fact that there is a dedicated Input button I would assume that discrete codes could be created. Seeing that many will want to use the 103/105 as video processors I feel Oppo will make this happen. I will email Oppo later today to ask if this is possible in future FW updates. Bill |
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Post by jamrock on Oct 19, 2012 9:26:43 GMT -5
I think that we are onto something. Great thinking and great work Bill. Your efforts are very much appreciated |
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Post by ansat on Oct 19, 2012 9:26:43 GMT -5
I hope so. But at a minimum oppo and logitech need to work together about the input method on the remote done correctly to ensure we can utilize what is currently available.
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Post by laserman35 on Oct 19, 2012 9:56:16 GMT -5
I like the features on the 103/105. It looks like it will solve my problem of not having zone 2 video out on the XMC-1.
Will blue-ray be the format for 4k media?
I've read that 4K may start to take off next summer. People are running out of reasons to upgrade there TV.
If this is true I might jump in and get me a 4k Laser projector.
I would hate to upgrade my Oppo BDP-93 with a 4K option just around the corner.
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Post by ansat on Oct 19, 2012 10:18:58 GMT -5
I like the features on the 103/105. It looks like it will solve my problem of not having zone 2 video out on the XMC-1. Will blue-ray be the format for 4k media? I've read that 4K may start to take off next summer. People are running out of reasons to upgrade there TV. If this is true I might jump in and get me a 4k Laser projector. I would hate to upgrade my Oppo BDP-93 with a 4K option just around the corner. Blu ray can in theroy support 4k with BDXL discs. However Oppo has said nothing official about being able to read them. I agree 4k is around the corner. But not for content. Just for the hardware. Oppo's hold thier value well. You can get about 80% or more of the vaule of the 93 and upgrade now. Or enjoy what you have and the money in your pocket and wait on the next round. |
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Post by billmac on Oct 19, 2012 17:13:04 GMT -5
Below is a response to an email I sent Oppo. As always Oppo responds very quickly to emails with questions about their players . Bill We're currently testing a brand-new BDP-10x firmware that will allow a sequence of keypresses to change inputs, such as "INPUT" then "1" to go to the first input, or "INPUT" then "2" to go to the second input or so on. It may be necessary to add a slight delay (when programming your Harmony) between keypresses, but we're currently looking when and whether that would be necessary or not.
So yeah, there won't be discrete codes, but hopefully we will implement the possibility of using a sequence as indicated.
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. The solution might be a universal remote. I'm not at home but possibly there is a discrete code for the HDMI inputs that would enable the use of a universal remote. In other words with a Harmony remote you could have a TV function setup so with one press of a button all your components including the 103 will power up and be set to the correct inputs. The wildcard is if there is a discrete code from Oppo for the HDMI inputs. If I have time tomorrow I'll check to see if those codes are in my Harmony database.
