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Post by nimikipod on Jan 28, 2013 13:59:07 GMT -5
Ideal sub ?
15" for sure. down firing - for easy placement and setup next to walls and furniture.
size: the minimum possible for the drivers size and needs - if you can, 42 cm even cube.
way below 20hz figures.
sealed enclosure with a passive radiator that fires to the front - that way you get it to be both dynamic (for music) and powerful (for movies)
at least 750 watt class d amplification with DSP/XLR etc. a must for a powerful/musical sealed subwoofer by today's standards..
it will be great if you could connect two subs and the DSP's will interact or caculate the presence of one another.
for reference, if i were you, i would target the JL Fathom 13" and maybe the SEATON submersive subwoofers.
remote control with dsp/cut-off/phase shifter/low-pass filter options to be controled from the listener position.
if you can beat them, you can charge 1000$ for a sub and that would be a steal !!
i'm building woofers for the last 20 years and i tell you - it can be done !!
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Post by yves on Jan 28, 2013 20:47:54 GMT -5
You didn't seem to mention whether you have a stereo setup or HT system. If you have them only in a 2 channel system then I can see that statement about not needing a sub, although personally I prefer a sub even in the 2 channel stereo systems. It's a stereo setup. Obviously not, but it doesn't really matter to me anyway. I don't want to spend $2k - $3k on a sub and I don't doubt Lonnie can make a very good one for only $1k (who would doubt that?), but I live in Europe so that means I am paying almost double the price (not a complaint, just sayin'...). I ordered an UMC-200 and a pair of Airmotiv 5s two weeks ago. I will be adding them to my current setup as an upgrade from stereo to HT when they arrive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 22:26:53 GMT -5
You didn't seem to mention whether you have a stereo setup or HT system. If you have them only in a 2 channel system then I can see that statement about not needing a sub, although personally I prefer a sub even in the 2 channel stereo systems. It's a stereo setup. Obviously not, but it doesn't really matter to me anyway. I don't want to spend $2k - $3k on a sub and I don't doubt Lonnie can make a very good one for only $1k (who would doubt that?), but I live in Europe so that means I am paying almost double the price (not a complaint, just sayin'...). I ordered an UMC-200 and a pair of Airmotiv 5s two weeks ago. I will be adding them to my current setup as an upgrade from stereo to HT when they arrive. I'm sorry, I thought you posted about your speakers that their frequency response goes all the way down to 20 Hz. I think you are going to like the ultra smooth sound of the Airmotiv speakers. I have the Airmotiv4's and use them with my computer and an 8" sub for superb stereo sound. Your 5's go down lower and should be nice for surrounds. Just for fun if you have time do what I did. Set the Airmotiv5's directly on top of the Cantons and play some music thru them. They won't play as loud as your Cantons but you might be impressed as I was how great they sound in my living room with superb off axis dispersion. Beautifully smooth performance IMO. |
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Post by flamingeye on Jan 29, 2013 0:05:09 GMT -5
I’m sorry as well I was just trying to say you should at least try using a sub with your system first before making that decision not to or needing one , but I see now that could be a very expensive audition.
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Post by cash09 on Feb 6, 2013 12:33:40 GMT -5
As per theory
Sealed subs - musical , Ported - Movies
Minimum size - 12 inch, would prefer 15 inch
Power - 750-1000
Price - I started with a $100 sub , but now I am using a $900
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Post by Raven on Feb 6, 2013 13:58:33 GMT -5
I already found ideal one (to my ears) Seaton SubMersive  |
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Post by ausman on Feb 6, 2013 14:07:54 GMT -5
you could always do a passive sub and power it either a xpa-1 or xpr-1
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Post by bulldozer on Feb 6, 2013 19:06:52 GMT -5
my ideal sub
sealed
six 10 inch drivers
4,500watt rms 9,000 watt peak
112db at10hz,126db at60hz,down as low as 7hz.
any black finish ok
$2,000-$2,700
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Post by GreenKiwi on Feb 8, 2013 15:48:25 GMT -5
Wow... that might not be a bad sub to aim at. |
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Post by DYohn on Feb 8, 2013 15:57:14 GMT -5
Wow... that might not be a bad sub to aim at. 120db @ 20Hz... no, not bad at all.  |
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Post by flyhigh on Feb 8, 2013 16:21:20 GMT -5
Smooth response to 9hz here.... No, you'd have to pry my SVSs from my cold, dead hands. www.svsound.com/Best audio purchase I ever made, and the expert tech/set up guidance they so willingly provide (at no extra cost) is worth it's weight in gold! Fly |
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Post by saginawjuggalo on Feb 9, 2013 5:53:31 GMT -5
Is it ported or sealed? Dual Opposed Sealed 15" or 18"'s
What size? A comfortable Medium size (my needs 27H/23.5W/23.5D)
How much power? At least 1000+ RMS (an optional Passive model would be perferred)
What type of finish? Basic Black (satin or ash) would due, but an optional finer finish such as Rosewood, Gloss Black etc would be awesome!
Features and such. Subsonic abilities (reasonably flat to 15hz "or better"), Beefy SQ drivers, Tight with great kick. An optional multi-band adjustable and programmable DSP EQ (ie Behringer iNuke/MiniDSP) via USB. A big plus would be to add boosting/cutting abilities under 20hz. A user defeatable subsonic filter would be nice for those with multiple subs. If defaulted, the subsonic filter should be set at min of 15hz and gently applied.
Last but certainly not least, how much? I'm a bang for the buck kind of guy, so keep it "realistic" and competive for whatever it ends up being. If people see value, we'll pay to play! I know this won't come cheaply.
Emotiva come out swinging!! Emo needs to make a name for themselves in the HT subwoofer market...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 10:53:01 GMT -5
My ideal sub? A Velodyne DD Series in piano black for < $1200. Those are *awesome* subs and probably the last I would ever need...
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Post by bulldozer on Feb 10, 2013 21:54:10 GMT -5
my ideal sub is one that will scare the s**t out of me at half output! but i will settle for a lesser sub. that's just economics.
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Post by garym on Feb 10, 2013 22:09:05 GMT -5
Emo probably has to consider offering 2 subs, one aimed for music, the other for HT. The "one size fits all" approach either doesn't work well in one area, or the unit is outrageously expensive.
At present I'm considering the Rhythmic F12 or F15. Both are <$1K, and are available as kits for $200-300 less (you have to build your own box).
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Post by Metaldude on Apr 3, 2013 20:46:55 GMT -5
Hemsters right, resistance is futile  Sealed 15"+ 1500 W Black or Veneer, front fire, wireless similar to klipsch subs musical and HT excellence $1200 $2000 dual set |
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Post by rurounikenshin on May 20, 2013 19:12:14 GMT -5
Ideal Sub.
Paradigm Signature Sub 2.
That could run at full power off a regular 110V line.
For around $1,000.
That's not too much to ask, is it...?
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Post by danny01 on May 21, 2013 18:35:59 GMT -5
Passive, sealed, dual opposed and most importantly highly efficient and high power handling. Separate sub amps with dsp and filters and of different power ratings so that we can mix 'n match. Size doesn't matter.
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Post by ZrC on May 30, 2013 10:13:28 GMT -5
Is it ported or sealed? Option for both on checkout, some prefer ported and some sealed
What size? 12", 15", 18"
How much power? 750+ watts
What type of finish? Same black finish as the X-Ref
Features and such. None, save the money for a better driver and let the processor handle the crossovers and other useless sub features
Last but certainly not least, how much? Under $1000 if possible
The problem I see with most subs today is they have too many worthless features like LCD screens and different modes. I feel the money should be invested on a great driver and box design over these small gimmicks.
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Post by Chuck Elliot on May 30, 2013 10:45:30 GMT -5
Is it ported or sealed? Option for both on checkout, some prefer ported and some sealedWhat size? 12", 15", 18"How much power? 750+ wattsWhat type of finish? Same black finish as the X-RefFeatures and such. None, save the money for a better driver and let the processor handle the crossovers and other useless sub featuresLast but certainly not least, how much? Under $1000 if possibleThe problem I see with most subs today is they have too many worthless features like LCD screens and different modes. I feel the money should be invested on a great driver and box design over these small gimmicks. Or, perhaps two different products a movie sub(ported) and a music sub(sealed). I totally agree on letting the processor handle the sub features. In a music system I don't want another ADC/DAC conversion. Also in a music system the pre can handle the crossover via bass management (XSP-1/USP-1). |
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