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Post by jony1600 on Jun 14, 2013 8:21:56 GMT -5
I was wondering, does anyone think that Emotiva could build a sub on par with the REL G1 for 1500 dollars?
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Post by Metaldude on Jun 16, 2013 21:41:53 GMT -5
I was reading through this thread thinking, will Emo take onboard the suggestions here and come up with a sub that will be a class performer at an affordable price, my guess would be yes, at least I hope so...What I find is different is that Lonnie has asked the members their opinons,which I imagine will have him scratching his chin for a while, be interesting to see what they come up with....
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Post by GreenKiwi on Jun 16, 2013 23:12:48 GMT -5
I was wondering, does anyone think that Emotiva could build a sub on par with the REL G1 for 1500 dollars? I think that this might be the level of sub worth going for, unless one just needs to have a cheaper sub. I am hoping that they do something "different" and mke something that sets themselves apart. |
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Post by jony1600 on Jun 17, 2013 17:44:49 GMT -5
I was wondering, does anyone think that Emotiva could build a sub on par with the REL G1 for 1500 dollars? I think that this might be the level of sub worth going for, unless one just needs to have a cheaper sub. I am hoping that they do something "different" and mke something that sets themselves apart. What do you mean by "different" |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 17, 2013 18:01:18 GMT -5
My ideal sub has Cindy Crawford sitting on it  |
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Post by GreenKiwi on Jun 18, 2013 4:35:35 GMT -5
I think that this might be the level of sub worth going for, unless one just needs to have a cheaper sub. I am hoping that they do something "different" and mke something that sets themselves apart. What do you mean by "different" In a lot of ways, I don't care how it's different. My general thinking is that there are a lot of ID sub houses out there. If you play the same game as them you end up competing on smaller margins. You aren't comparing the sub to an overpriced sub in a box store. Going after something like the trinity or something else that sets them apart. It could be that the subs are passive with outboard amps and you can have 1-n subs per amp. Or that the subs have built in wireless since that might only add 10-15 to the price. I don't really care, just something interesting and different. This doesn't negate that I want it to sound good and go down to 20hz  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Jun 18, 2013 4:57:29 GMT -5
Build the test microphone into the sub. Let the sub analyze its own position in the room and compensate automatically. Wireless is good. TRUE subsonic capability to significantly less than 20 Hz. is mandatory. Upper-end response to 200 Hz. is needed. The frequency response from 15 to 200 Hz. must be FLAT plus or minus 3 decibels WITHOUT room reinforcement or advertising lies. There must be enough cone area for high volume capabilities without distortion. This will require multiple drivers, a large box, and a powerful amplifier. Make this a true "world-class" sub with a price of less than $1,500. It should be THE product that puts Emotiva on the map as a true high-end company.
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Post by bootman on Jun 18, 2013 8:47:10 GMT -5
Build the test microphone into the sub. Let the sub analyze its own position in the room and compensate automatically. Wireless is good. TRUE subsonic capability to significantly less than 20 Hz. is mandatory. Upper-end response to 200 Hz. is needed. The frequency response from 15 to 200 Hz. must be FLAT plus or minus 3 decibels WITHOUT room reinforcement or advertising lies. There must be enough cone area for high volume capabilities without distortion. This will require multiple drivers, a large box, and a powerful amplifier. Make this a true "world-class" sub with a price of less than $1,500. It should be THE product that puts Emotiva on the map as a true high-end company. Do you actually know what it takes to go flat to 15Hz out in field without room enforcement? The size would be too big and the materials needed would make the $1500 price a too small of a profit margin. These get you close. |
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Post by jony1600 on Jun 18, 2013 10:40:58 GMT -5
Build the test microphone into the sub. Let the sub analyze its own position in the room and compensate automatically. Wireless is good. TRUE subsonic capability to significantly less than 20 Hz. is mandatory. Upper-end response to 200 Hz. is needed. The frequency response from 15 to 200 Hz. must be FLAT plus or minus 3 decibels WITHOUT room reinforcement or advertising lies. There must be enough cone area for high volume capabilities without distortion. This will require multiple drivers, a large box, and a powerful amplifier. Make this a true "world-class" sub with a price of less than $1,500. It should be THE product that puts Emotiva on the map as a true high-end company. That actually sounds very much like the REL G1... it is advertised that it will dig down to 15hz... if emotiva could build something like the G1 for 1500$ that would be awesome, only if they can |
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Post by Metaldude on Jul 4, 2013 3:06:46 GMT -5
Ah this is the thread that Lonnie started asking what we wanted in a sub, finally found it , it was right under my nose all the time
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Post by yves on Jul 4, 2013 10:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah... people want a sub that's only 3 dB down at 15 Hz, costs less than $1,500 and, if possible, the listening position should be built-in.  |
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Post by meldhache on Jul 4, 2013 11:18:32 GMT -5
I beleive the paradigm monitor series 7 sub 8 ,10 or 12 subwoofer has extremely low end to 15 . Uses a external mic with a computer in order to reduce or enhance the room effets and bing the response practically flat to 225 Hz or so.
But i am uncertain to what decibels levels it remains flat for the base level used for calibration is about 80 décibels.
Mel
Ps the sub can also use a wireless add on and a single transmitter can handle 4 subs at the time.
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Post by briank on Jul 4, 2013 11:24:55 GMT -5
Build the test microphone into the sub. Let the sub analyze its own position in the room and compensate automatically. Wireless is good. TRUE subsonic capability to significantly less than 20 Hz. is mandatory. Upper-end response to 200 Hz. is needed. The frequency response from 15 to 200 Hz. must be FLAT plus or minus 3 decibels WITHOUT room reinforcement or advertising lies. There must be enough cone area for high volume capabilities without distortion. This will require multiple drivers, a large box, and a powerful amplifier. Make this a true "world-class" sub with a price of less than $1,500. It should be THE product that puts Emotiva on the map as a true high-end company. If you like great sub 20hz performance then buy tactile transducers. Why do you need a sub to go up to 200hz? No LFE material over 120 hz and little over 80hz. Most people cross their sub over between 60-90 hz. |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 4, 2013 11:27:59 GMT -5
I want a subwoofer that redefines physics, costs less than a TV Dinner and makes me think I'm RIGHT THERE in the scene being created on screen, or on stage with the band playing my air guitar. And it has to occupy no space in my house and not increase my electricity bills. With cheese.
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Post by DYohn on Jul 4, 2013 11:29:21 GMT -5
OH, and it has to have a f'kin KNOB fercrissakes.
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 4, 2013 12:01:22 GMT -5
I want a subwoofer that redefines physics, costs less than a TV Dinner and makes me think I'm RIGHT THERE in the scene being created on screen, or on stage with the band playing my air guitar. And it has to occupy no space in my house and not increase my electricity bills. With cheese. Well if you read some reviews and manufacturer literature, don't those subs already exist? |
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Post by DYohn on Jul 4, 2013 12:02:52 GMT -5
I want a subwoofer that redefines physics, costs less than a TV Dinner and makes me think I'm RIGHT THERE in the scene being created on screen, or on stage with the band playing my air guitar. And it has to occupy no space in my house and not increase my electricity bills. With cheese. Well if you read some reviews and manufacturer literature, don't those subs already exist? I haven't seen one available with cheese yet. |
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 4, 2013 12:27:26 GMT -5
Well if you read some reviews and manufacturer literature, don't those subs already exist? I haven't seen one available with cheese yet. It's optional when you order.. you have to specify "cheezewoofer." |
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Post by SticknStones on Jul 4, 2013 12:45:40 GMT -5
I have read through this thread with interest.
I think the suggestions for performance based specs make the most sense. I like the idea of having the amp controls in the rack. I had a very under powered MA-1 back in the day and loved that it was detached from the sub. I think having a model that fits the ultra, X and Reference could meet most everyone's needs and I do not think a one model sub will do it.
Okay Lonnie,
7 pages here so time for your feedback, perspectives and goals?
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Post by vitruvian on Jul 8, 2013 2:12:02 GMT -5
Selection 1:
I would prefer an onboard amp, at least as an option - less speaker cable and just a balanced cable for the signal.
15" driver
Around 1,000watts
Sealed box
Parametric eq, possibly some kind of bass management software (similar to Paradigm)
Solid performance to 20Hz
Controls on the front!
It might be worth creating a decent quality Emo calibrated mic and then having scope for more accurate measurement/ calibration of subs, HT etc.
Suggestion 2:
An Emotiva version of the Paradigm Sub 1 and Sub 2.
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