Sherbourn SR-8100

[HowardTheSmith]

Hey all,

First post here and I'm not sure if this is the appropriate forum, but I couldn't find a dedicated Sherbourn forum and since Emotiva/Sherbourn seem to be sister companies here goes....

I stumbled across the Sherbourn SR8100 receiver and the back looks strikingly similar to the Emotiva UMC-200, minus the pre-amp outs and of course adding the speaker terminals. Is the SR8100 basically a receiver version of the UMC-200 or are there other differences? There wasn't much info on the Sherbourn site other than general specs.

I like the feature set of the UMC-200 but would ideally prefer the form factor of a slim receiver like the SR-8100 assuming the sonics and features are comparable.

www.sohmerassoc.com/cedia_2012/downloads/sherbourn/photos/sr8100_rear.jpg

www.sherbourn.com/collections/theater/products/sr8100

Thanks,
Howard

[wizardofoz]

Wait a few days and I guess its all going to be "here" for ya...all in the Emo family now it seems.

Wow it even has a manual

[HowardTheSmith]

Wizard,

It took me awhile, but I eventually figured out your post :-)

$899 is a nice price...will have to wait and see on the details.

Howard

[yeeeha17]

I wonder if we can use our upgrade card on the Sherbourn products

[Deleted]

Feb 27, 2013 19:37:09 GMT -5 yeeeha17 said:

I wonder if we can use our upgrade card on the Sherbourn products

Yes, it was just announced on the Emo podcast see here:

emotiva.com/podcasts/02-27-13/podcast.mp3

[bootman]

Feb 27, 2013 19:18:14 GMT -5 wizardofoz said:

Wow it even has a manual

You can download the manual?

[HowardTheSmith]

bootman,

Unfortunately, there is just a dead link for the manual on the Sherbourn SR-8100 product page...looking at the overview on that page and the back panel though, it sure looks a lot like the UMC-200. Time will tell...

Howard

[bootman]

One of my biggest gripe about Emotiva is their documentation.
It was great back in 2007 but has declined steadily ever since.
Now we are lucky if we get something for a new product and when we do it is very minimalistic.

Example:
The greatest feature of the UMC-200 is its PEQ features.
(well in my opinion and recently touted about in the podcast and recent pro review)

Just download the UMC-200 manual and read what it says about that feature.
Not much.

I just hope that the Sherbourn line is given a bit more attention, that's all.

[bootman]

Documentation aside, I too would like to read more on the 8100 and the 8200.

Can't wait for the Sherbourn part of the forum to come online to discuss.

[chaosrv]

I would think just by the nature of the products, Sherbourn would need to be more detailed. With Emotiva gear it is as if we are supposed to tinker and discover. But with CI type gear the installer needs to know how a product works & integrates. Time is money for them.

Just my opinion at least.

[eirik84]

Yesterday a reciever SR-8200 was on the Sherbourn website next to the SR-8100.
It is now gone, but you can find it witt Buffered view on Google:
webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:0NJWD9lz0dIJ:www.sherbourn.com/products/sr8200+&cd=1&hl=no&ct=clnk&gl=no

Nice product Early 2013 release it says

[Axis]

The SR-8100 looks to be the UMC-200 and UPA-700 combined in a low profile receiver.

•7 x 80 Watts Per Channel (8 ohms), all channels driven

I cant see where this receiver would not be the same as having the Emotiva seperates.

One of the issues I have had in deciding on how to upgrade from my older non HDMI slim receiver is placement of a prepro and seperate amp into my current TV stand. I see others that have that same issue and often see post here and other forums where a low profile receiver is desired. The current offerings that I have seen do not come close to power ratings all channels driven. Then there is the sound quality that the UMC-200 is garnering.

[LCSeminole]

I guess it depends on what you would consider as "low profile"? The UMC-200 is 1.5RU and a UPA-700 is 3RU. Certainly not small at 9 1/4 in tall together, but shorter than say one of my XPR amplifiers (9 1/2 in) and a little taller than the XPA amplifiers(7 3/4 in). If you are pairing a UMC-200 with a UPA-500 then it's even shorter at 7 5/16, and that is shorter than Onkyo's TX-NR818 @ 7 13/16 or just taller than their TX-NR717 @ 6 7/8.

[Axis]

I have 7 1/4 " height and 17 " depth to work with. Until recent I have not considered upgrading. Ive read many a debates on the benefits of seperates and most come down to the fact that a seperate multi-channel amp provide's more output per channel all channels driven than reciever's in the lower price range.

Looking at the inside pics of the SR-8100 and the UPA-700, it appears to be the same amp board. The specs for the SR-8100 show "7 x 80 Watts Per Channel (8 ohms), all channels driven".

I was not aware of the SR-8100 and this looks like it may be my next big purchase. My move into using HDMI Audio with room correction and not having to change TV stands.

I'm very impressed with Emotiva's equipment. The current equipment I have had since 2009 has impressed everyone that has seen it and heard it. I have always been amazed how they make and sell such top notch equipment at the price they do. I knew that if I were to change my current receiver it would be Emotiva.

[amt]

The vast amount of space in the UMC-200 suddenly makes sense now...

[Deleted]

That space adds to the "air" around the instruments. Didn't you know that?

-RW-

[Axis]

Jan 16, 2013 22:00:56 GMT -5 Dan Laufman said:

Jan 16, 2013 21:09:02 GMT -5 petew said:

I like the empty chassis. I hope the hardware costs are around $40 for the boards and another $25 for the hard bits. Profit is not a dirty word.

Ah, to live in that world! I wish we were making that kind of profit!!

The Dolby, DTS, HDMI, etc. licenses are over $50.00 per unit!

The UMC-200 chassis is designed so that other components can be stacked on top of it. We have standardized the the U Series chassis depths, so that all of the units stack nicely together. If it was six inches deep, you would have all complained that it was too shallow, etc, etc.

We want to great lengths to make the PCB VERY compact! This took a lot of work and is critical to the performance of the unit. We have excellent crosstalk, low noise and THD, etc. Also, we have worked very hard to keep path lengths as short as possible for improved performance.

What the casual observe does not see are all of the parts on the underside of the PCB assembly too! If you look closely, it's all in there, just very tightly packaged for enhanced performance and improved reliability, and yes, ease of assembly.

There is a tremendous amount of development in a product like this and that costs money too. I'm amazed when I hear people criticize our units and then I look inside of other VERY expensive units there is nothing in the chassis to justify the cost. I guess they operate on another set of rules; if you blatantly overcharge for your products, you get a pass because you are "high end", and it must be "special". When you fairly price your products and go out of your way to deliver real value you must be "cheap", or cutting corners. BTW, have you looked inside a BluRay player lately?? Pretty empty in there too...

The switching power supply in the UMC-200 actually improves performance on this model compared to our original design with a toroid, and it runs much cooler too. We eliminate 60Hz and 120Hz residual noise with the switcher, and this is great, IMO. NO hum!!

My point is this, the UMC-200 represents an incredible value and it is simplistic to look inside and think that because there is room in the chassis, we must be overcharging.

Next time we'll put more stuff in the box, even if it doesn't do anything! ;D

Cheers,
Big Dan

This is one of my favorite Big Dan post.

[mickeyharlow]

I am thinking of getting this unit. You can see my current setup in my signature. My ultimate goal is a XMC-1 for the living room and a small home theater in the bedroom. I have the speakers for the bedroom already.

I will use the 8100 in the living room with the UPA-7 until I can afford the XMC-1 and then move the 8100 to the bedroom. I will sell the UMC-1 to help finance the XMC-1. As a retiree, I have an amount in my budget each month that I save for my purchases. If I go with this plan, it will take me until at least November before I could afford the XMC-1.

My other plan is to purchase a UMC-200. Sell the UMC-1 and purchase a used XPA-5 for the living room. Move the UPA-7 to the bedroom. This would result a least a year before I could get the XMC-1.

The 8100 fits much better in the bedroom setup.

Also, when you open the Sherbourn site, it says $799 for the 8100 but when you open in the products site, it says $899 reduced to $799. So what is the 40% card based on. The opening site or the product site. I will call tomorrow to find out. It is a little confusing.

I am open to all suggestions.

[LCSeminole]

Not sure if the price for the SR-8100 is a sale price or a special sale price. The processor program applies to the regular product price and not a sale price, but in this case the $799 isn't specified. Let us know when you talk with Emotiva tomorrow, I'm sure others may be considering this as well.

[mickeyharlow]

Will do.