LCSeminole
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 3, 2016 18:52:38 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO Personally I'm not sure how any one can actually compare the new Airmotiv speaker line to any other speakers when no one has actually heard them yet, except maybe at a few audio/video shows. Having just looked at the Salk website and just looking at floor-standers, Salks closest floor-stander is twice as much as the T1, so not really any viable comparison when it comes to price. Personally I think their target customers aren't the same either, so again probably not a reasonable comparison. |
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jul 3, 2016 18:54:13 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO I presently own the Emo reference series and I can tell you that these speakers are very well constructed with quality materials and drivers, solid and and thick as a rock with great surface finish. The new airmotiv line are looking similar, so for me it's a good news. I have nothing to envy to other big brand name speakers, especially not the prohibited and exaggerated prices. MO... |
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Post by novisnick on Jul 3, 2016 19:01:19 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO Personally I'm not sure how any one can actually compare the new Airmotiv speaker line to any other speakers when no one has actually heard them yet, except maybe at a few audio/video shows. Having just looked at the Salk website and just looking at floor-standers, Salks closest floor-stander is twice as much as the T1, so not really any viable comparison when it comes to price. Personally I think their target customers aren't the same either, so again probably not a reasonable comparison. I have a pair on order and plan on hearing them in both my primary and secondary systems. I have no idea weather or not they will compare to my Studios in any way shape or form but I will find out. And then I'll see (hear) what they do in the secondary room. To find out it will either cost me $700.00 or the return shipping fee, either way, I will find out! Maybe we'll have an EmoSouth gathering for the audition. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Jul 3, 2016 19:03:53 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO I presently own the Emo reference series and I can tell you that these speakers are very well constructed with quality materials and drivers, solid and and thick as a rock with great surface finish. The new airmotiv line are looking similar, so for me it's a good news. I have nothing to envy to other big brand name speakers, especially not the prohibited and exaggerated prices. MO... I would agree, the older Emotiva Reference line(ERT/ERM models) was a well designed speaker line, build and sound, and easily is comparable to other speakers brands well above their price point. Personally I'd be all over an updated version of the ERT-8.3/ERM-6.3/ERM-6.2. |
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Post by yves on Jul 3, 2016 19:10:21 GMT -5
It is, however, why speakers like the Pendragons are so popular; or even the Lore which started it all for him with it's 10" driver. There's just no substitute. I have a feeling Airmotiv S15 will substitute the pants off of it. |
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Post by fantaxp7 on Jul 3, 2016 19:25:38 GMT -5
Can't wait to read users impressions.
I also hope the SB1 comes out soon, would be nice for a bed room or something.
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 3, 2016 21:28:43 GMT -5
It is, however, why speakers like the Pendragons are so popular; or even the Lore which started it all for him with it's 10" driver. There's just no substitute. I have a feeling Airmotiv S15 will substitute the pants off of it. I have a feeling Rythmik/Tekton/REL Acoustics/Paradigm/Velodyne's 15" subs will also substitute the pants off it. I believe this part of the discussion was purely just the speaker without an external sub, eh? |
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 3, 2016 21:38:43 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO 1. Many bleed Emo-blue and so want any Emo product line to contend with the best out there. 1a. From a performance/dollar standpoint, most here are especially hopeful that any of Emo's speakers will compare with the likes of Tekton and Salk, yet for a fraction of their price. 2. Anticipation is high for their folded ribbon tweeter over normal radiating tweeters. After all, if Martin Logan uses them.... My own thoughts - they're size and price puts them in competition with the M-Lore which is going to be a tough battle to win. |
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Post by guitarforlife on Jul 3, 2016 22:54:30 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO IMHO for the 599.00 Price tag for a pair of Maggie MMG's. There are no better. Period. I would not even consider anything else for the price. Until you jump to the 1.7. Just my .2cent. But then again, once you listen to tubes SS is not the same either. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Jul 4, 2016 10:03:36 GMT -5
Just asking. What is so great about these speakers? Comparing them to other on-line speaker companies like Tekton & Salk who are devoted to the SPEAKER alone. For the best bang for the buck I see Emotiva as being a leader with amplifiers but not in the speaker category. MO IMHO for the 599.00 Price tag for a pair of Maggie MMG's. There are no better. Period. I would not even consider anything else for the price. Until you jump to the 1.7. Just my .2cent. But then again, once you listen to tubes SS is not the same either. I never heard the Maggie's but I have heard a lot about them....all GOOD or better reviews. If it had not been for my HT and space I would have definitely auditioned the Maggie's...Maggies and my m125 Bob Latino tube amplifiers...sounds sublime...doesn't it? |
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Post by yves on Jul 4, 2016 10:08:57 GMT -5
I have a feeling Airmotiv S15 will substitute the pants off of it. I have a feeling Rythmik/Tekton/REL Acoustics/Paradigm/Velodyne's 15" subs will also substitute the pants off it. I believe this part of the discussion was purely just the speaker without an external sub, eh? The way I see things, the Pendragon is a subwoofer with a built-in "Mid-Fi quality" speaker. It is excellent value, yes of course it is, but nevertheless it just doesn't exactly qualify as a true Hi-Fi speaker IMO. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 4, 2016 10:17:22 GMT -5
If so, that puts it in same category as Emotiva's mid-fi speaker offerings. However no clue how a dual 10" driver speaker can be considered a glorified sub. That makes even less sense.
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Post by garbulky on Jul 4, 2016 10:32:59 GMT -5
I have a feeling Rythmik/Tekton/REL Acoustics/Paradigm/Velodyne's 15" subs will also substitute the pants off it. I believe this part of the discussion was purely just the speaker without an external sub, eh? The way I see things, the Pendragon is a subwoofer with a built-in "Mid-Fi quality" speaker. It is excellent value, yes of course it is, but nevertheless it just doesn't exactly qualify as a true Hi-Fi speaker IMO. What makes you think that it's mid-fi in quality? Can you give another speaker that is comparable to you in Mid-fi quality and one that is say at a lower price end of high-fi spectrum? I'm asking because I want to see what you are comparing it to. B'zilla is getting one in soon. Hopefully I shall get to hear one. The $1900 Tekton Enzo XL is in Stereophile's class A restricted LF list. Which makes it the cheapest tower speaker in that list by several thousands. Most of the prices for towers start at about 10k in that list. From the review: www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#lcDV8CpYezs8Mfcj.97"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s. Today, the average price of the speakers listed in "Class A–Full Range" of Stereophile's "Recommended Components" is over $56,000/pair. In that world, the $2100/pair Tekton Enzo XLs are practically free. Based on my reviewing experience, these practically free speakers will get you a satisfyingly big portion of those $50,000 models' performance. Consider this review a thoughtfully considered, heartfelt recommendation. These giant monoliths are great fun! Read more at www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#MAmlhi0gGQyoPOTv.99" |
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Post by yves on Jul 4, 2016 18:53:03 GMT -5
The way I see things, the Pendragon is a subwoofer with a built-in "Mid-Fi quality" speaker. It is excellent value, yes of course it is, but nevertheless it just doesn't exactly qualify as a true Hi-Fi speaker IMO. What makes you think that it's mid-fi in quality? Can you give another speaker that is comparable to you in Mid-fi quality and one that is say at a lower price end of high-fi spectrum? I'm asking because I want to see what you are comparing it to. B'zilla is getting one in soon. Hopefully I shall get to hear one. The $1900 Tekton Enzo XL is in Stereophile's class A restricted LF list. Which makes it the cheapest tower speaker in that list by several thousands. Most of the prices for towers start at about 10k in that list. From the review: www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#lcDV8CpYezs8Mfcj.97"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s. Today, the average price of the speakers listed in "Class A–Full Range" of Stereophile's "Recommended Components" is over $56,000/pair. In that world, the $2100/pair Tekton Enzo XLs are practically free. Based on my reviewing experience, these practically free speakers will get you a satisfyingly big portion of those $50,000 models' performance. Consider this review a thoughtfully considered, heartfelt recommendation. These giant monoliths are great fun! Read more at www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#MAmlhi0gGQyoPOTv.99" Eric Alexander himself said it's the big flat baffle. I.e., he personally has admitted he would have required to add a significant amount of cabinet optimization to get more precision out of the drivers in the Pendragon so, even though the drivers themselves are good enough IMO, the sound that comes out of them with the Pendragon is simply not as resolving as some guys have been trying to suggest, at least not to my ears it is not, and, no, I don't consider that a good thing, but nevertheless I'd love to meet the geisha that was talked about in that review article you linked...  |
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Post by Porscheguy on Jul 5, 2016 7:46:35 GMT -5
View AttachmentGet ready...
They're almost here....
Start saving up....Airmotiv passive speakers... coming soon...
For everyone who's been waiting for a new line of Emotiva passive speakers......
Keep your eye on the website......
Just looking at the Airmotiv speakers on the website. Is that it? Will there be more models? Higher end? Taller? Deeper bass response? Please tell me they come in something other than black? |
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Post by creimes on Jul 5, 2016 8:18:41 GMT -5
This right here is why I would never purchase something based on a "Professional" review, like wtf is this gibberish bulls%#t " This transformed the bass from well-dressed Wall Street raider to metrosexual Parisian poet. Drunk on absinthe, this mustachioed, low-frequency bohemian slurred a little, and his beret smelled of Gauloises, but he spoke most colorfully. The midrange shape-shifted into a beautiful Geisha. Koto music played with paper-lantern charm. The highs became Hokusai geese flying against a blue October sky." The way I see things, the Pendragon is a subwoofer with a built-in "Mid-Fi quality" speaker. It is excellent value, yes of course it is, but nevertheless it just doesn't exactly qualify as a true Hi-Fi speaker IMO. What makes you think that it's mid-fi in quality? Can you give another speaker that is comparable to you in Mid-fi quality and one that is say at a lower price end of high-fi spectrum? I'm asking because I want to see what you are comparing it to. B'zilla is getting one in soon. Hopefully I shall get to hear one. The $1900 Tekton Enzo XL is in Stereophile's class A restricted LF list. Which makes it the cheapest tower speaker in that list by several thousands. Most of the prices for towers start at about 10k in that list. From the review: www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#lcDV8CpYezs8Mfcj.97"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s. Today, the average price of the speakers listed in "Class A–Full Range" of Stereophile's "Recommended Components" is over $56,000/pair. In that world, the $2100/pair Tekton Enzo XLs are practically free. Based on my reviewing experience, these practically free speakers will get you a satisfyingly big portion of those $50,000 models' performance. Consider this review a thoughtfully considered, heartfelt recommendation. These giant monoliths are great fun! Read more at www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#MAmlhi0gGQyoPOTv.99" |
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Post by pedrocols on Jul 5, 2016 8:35:12 GMT -5
This right here is why I would never purchase something based on a "Professional" review, like wtf is this gibberish bulls%#t " This transformed the bass from well-dressed Wall Street raider to metrosexual Parisian poet. Drunk on absinthe, this mustachioed, low-frequency bohemian slurred a little, and his beret smelled of Gauloises, but he spoke most colorfully. The midrange shape-shifted into a beautiful Geisha. Koto music played with paper-lantern charm. The highs became Hokusai geese flying against a blue October sky." What makes you think that it's mid-fi in quality? Can you give another speaker that is comparable to you in Mid-fi quality and one that is say at a lower price end of high-fi spectrum? I'm asking because I want to see what you are comparing it to. B'zilla is getting one in soon. Hopefully I shall get to hear one. The $1900 Tekton Enzo XL is in Stereophile's class A restricted LF list. Which makes it the cheapest tower speaker in that list by several thousands. Most of the prices for towers start at about 10k in that list. From the review: www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#lcDV8CpYezs8Mfcj.97"The Enzo XLs gave me 90% of the coherence and joy of my Class A reference speakers, along with at least one additional, deeply gratifying octave of big, live-sounding, pants-flapping, room-filling bass. Unbelievably, they also gave me something like 90% of the accuracy and authority I heard from Wilson Audio's "giant robots" back in the late '80s. Today, the average price of the speakers listed in "Class A–Full Range" of Stereophile's "Recommended Components" is over $56,000/pair. In that world, the $2100/pair Tekton Enzo XLs are practically free. Based on my reviewing experience, these practically free speakers will get you a satisfyingly big portion of those $50,000 models' performance. Consider this review a thoughtfully considered, heartfelt recommendation. These giant monoliths are great fun! Read more at www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-enzo-xl-loudspeaker-page-2#MAmlhi0gGQyoPOTv.99" But it sounds so pretty I am tempted to get a pair....☺ |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 5, 2016 9:54:27 GMT -5
It is, however, why speakers like the Pendragons are so popular; or even the Lore which started it all for him with it's 10" driver. There's just no substitute. I have a feeling Airmotiv S15 will substitute the pants off of it. I personally doubt it |
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Post by garbulky on Jul 5, 2016 10:03:38 GMT -5
yvesSo you've heard it? What did you think of the sound? Do you have a suggestion for a better speaker other than say the Canton's you have? The Pendragon is on my upgrade list. I hope to hear it at my friends house soon. But I am interested in all opinions.
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Post by yves on Jul 7, 2016 12:29:15 GMT -5
yvesSo you've heard it? What did you think of the sound? Do you have a suggestion for a better speaker other than say the Canton's you have? The Pendragon is on my upgrade list. I hope to hear it at my friends house soon. But I am interested in all opinions. Not nearly revealing enough for my taste, even though it's not edgy nor fatiguing, and it's actually fairly coherent, but it just leaves me wanting for excitement/detail. In the price range of the Canton Vento 890.2 DC, there isn't any Hi-Fi speaker I would truly recommend... apart from the successor to it, i.e., the the whole new Canton Vento 896 DC.  |
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