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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 18:08:17 GMT -5
.....let's talk about the XMC-2? Anybody knows what DACs it's driving? Is it the new AKM DACs? No the only line was they are an improvement on the XMC1 What DACs are in the XMC-1? |
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Post by bolle on Nov 29, 2016 18:16:41 GMT -5
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Post by Fatty on Nov 29, 2016 18:17:09 GMT -5
Will it retain it's 3ru chassis?
Any possibility of more than one dirac preset?
Anyone using the xmc1 has the dlct been updated since first release? I know it's been updated for the ddrc88 platform.
Any possibilities of an hd radio tuner? Perhaps spotify or tidal capabilities?
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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 18:24:04 GMT -5
Burr-Brown PCM4202 ADC for precision 24-bit analog to digital conversion. Burr-Brown 24/192 DSD1796 main zone DACs. Interesting. Curious to see if AKM is a long term path. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2016 18:40:28 GMT -5
.....let's talk about the XMC-2? Anybody knows what DACs it's driving? Is it the new AKM DACs? No the only line was they are an improvement on the XMC1 I'm feeling lucky, my guess is Ti/Burr Brown. That guess has to be tempered by the fact that I really like the Ti/Burr Brown sound especially in an Emotiva implementation.  Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2016 18:51:23 GMT -5
For me I'm looking at a processor upgrade that gives me 4K HDR and 5.1.2 Atmos/DTSX. If the XMC-1 Gen 3 achieves that then I will take it at its (my guess) lower price point than the XMC-2. Since the HDMI board is upgradable then I would be surprised if the XMC-1 doesn't handle HDR, but if it doesn't then I'll go for the XMC-2. Before the upgradability of the XMC series I was very reluctant to spend over $A1K for a processor as they go out of date too quickly for me to justify spending more. But now it seems that the Emotiva guys are very much in the board hardware and software upgrade business and that's a win for us. As long as I can do my own board swaps, it's a long (not to mention expensive) journey form Sydney to Franklin.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by melm on Nov 29, 2016 19:07:11 GMT -5
i called the other day with some upgrade questions and was lucky enough to get Dan the man. He told me the new upgrade board, available in the first quarter, will have 8 HDMI in, 2 HDMI out. All will be 4K, HDR (HDMI 2.0a) and HDCP 2.2. He indicated it would be user installable. Can't wait. I'm currently sending video directly to my OLED TV from my 4K player. The HDR is lovely, a bigger, more obvious upgrade than going from HDTV to 4K IMO.
Mel
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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 19:13:02 GMT -5
i called the other day with some upgrade questions and was lucky enough to get Dan the man. He told me the new upgrade board, available in the first quarter, will have 8 HDMI in, 2 HDMI out. All will be 4K, HDR (HDMI 2.0a) and HDCP 2.2. He indicated it would be user installable. Can't wait. I'm currently sending video directly to my OLED TV from my 4K player. The HDR is lovely, a bigger, more obvious upgrade than going from HDTV to 4K IMO. Mel Yay! New info! Thanks! |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Nov 29, 2016 19:13:12 GMT -5
It will be a tough call for me between the XMC-2 Gen3 and the RMC-1 (Gen3?) ... I almost certainly won't do anything with Atmos for many years baring some credible way for me to install speakers in the ceiling of my apartment without trashing the entire place ... :-)
For me it's all about getting the best DACs possible integrated into the Processor to have a nice short signal path.
But I'll probably get stupid and buy the RMC-1 in any case ... :-)
Casey
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Post by hosko on Nov 29, 2016 19:27:29 GMT -5
Will it retain it's 3ru chassis? Any possibility of more than one dirac preset? Anyone using the xmc1 has the dlct been updated since first release? I know it's been updated for the ddrc88 platform. Any possibilities of an hd radio tuner? Perhaps spotify or tidal capabilities? The RMC1 is a 3RU unit so the little brother should be the same. |
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Post by mick on Nov 29, 2016 19:47:03 GMT -5
For me I'm looking at a processor upgrade that gives me 4K HDR and 5.1.2 Atmos/DTSX. If the XMC-1 Gen 3 achieves that then I will take it at its (my guess) lower price point than the XMC-2. Since the HDMI board is upgradable then I would be surprised if the XMC-1 doesn't handle HDR, but if it doesn't then I'll go for the XMC-2. Before the upgradability of the XMC series I was very reluctant to spend over $A1K for a processor as they go out of date too quickly for me to justify spending more. But now it seems that the Emotiva guys are very much in the board hardware and software upgrade business and that's a win for us. As long as I can do my own board swaps, it's a long (not to mention expensive) journey form Sydney to Franklin. Cheers Gary Exactly what I want to Garry, 4K HDR and 5.1.2 Atmos/DTSX, this would be a winner for me.
cheers
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Post by Josephine on Nov 29, 2016 19:56:15 GMT -5
Now... Since it's got a bunch of new guts, Can we expect the clicks and pops to be fixed in the dsp of this new model? Has there been advancements in the dirac calibration tool to help keep it from crashing on every use? I expect dirac will be standard on all 11+ channels? Will it have more than one sub output? Will it treat them as a single sub during eq as audyssey does? Which is very good btw but Dirac would be nicer.. Good questions.. let's see what answers we get. I would like to step in on a new toy with the right guts that work for my setup... looking forward to the info on this |
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Post by So much doge on Nov 29, 2016 20:09:23 GMT -5
Indeed. Amazing questions. So much wow.
Amaze.
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Post by Bonzo on Nov 29, 2016 20:45:34 GMT -5
Bonzo I know you're looking for an argument, but I'm not interested. And you know this how? Why would I do that exactly? Please elaborate where you come up with this nonsensical made up stuff. I'm not a lemming like a lot of other people on this forum who just accept what is and never ask why. Last I knew this was not some truly socialist (or dictatorship) forum where only the rulers can voice their opinions, ask questions, and suggest ideas. So why in the world should anyone, including me, do what you say? Why even be here? Why are you here? So you kool aide lovers can sit around a camp fire eating smores and singing Kumbaya while discussing how heavenly perfect Emotiva products are? I'm just not sure. I did exactly that. And you didn't discuss my thoughts in any way shape or form. You simply did what you frequently do which is to put in an off topic back handed dig. I think THIS is hitting a nail on the head. Perfect. Thank you for saying this. Except it's not what you are thinking. I would argue that it's not me ranting, it's you and others being overly sensitive and thin skinned in regards to anything even remotely not "happy happy joy joy" said about Emotiva or it's products. I've said they make great stuff many times, but no one seems to remember those posts. The fact is I can't think of a single time I've "ranted" about an Emotiva product being "broken." (On the contrary, I have usually done exactly the opposite, which is to help try and make things better. You can't make things better without figuring out where the short comings are. Sorry if the truth or tough love hurts). Except that's what you and some others seem to think I'm doing, complaining about Emotiva products being broken. Please point me to a few of my offending posts if you can, because I'd like to know what you consider a rant. Really, I mean it.EDIT: Please PM me to keep more back and forth out of this thread. It took my a while to reply because I was very busy today. Amazing how some threads go so quickly. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 21:38:29 GMT -5
No the only line was they are an improvement on the XMC1 I'm feeling lucky, my guess is Ti/Burr Brown. That guess has to be tempered by the fact that I really like the Ti/Burr Brown sound especially in an Emotiva implementation. Cheers Gary Does anyone know if Ti/Burr Brown has lost some market / traction? Seems like their chips were huge a few years ago - but I feel like I haven't heard Burr Brown mentioned in a while. I'm just wondering how much the DAC/DSP market has changed in the last ~5 years. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Nov 29, 2016 22:52:30 GMT -5
I'm feeling lucky, my guess is Ti/Burr Brown. That guess has to be tempered by the fact that I really like the Ti/Burr Brown sound especially in an Emotiva implementation. Does anyone know if Ti/Burr Brown has lost some market / traction? Seems like their chips were huge a few years ago - but I feel like I haven't heard Burr Brown mentioned in a while. I'm just wondering how much the DAC/DSP market has changed in the last ~5 years. TI acquired Burr Brown back in 2000, mostly for their patented DAC technology. Ti/Burr Brown DAC's are found in products from Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Integra, Marantz and Emotiva (of course), generally in their higher end products. Back then Burr Brown had a lead in sound quality, they were generally considered unchallenged. Since then the DAC competition has hotted up and their lead reduced by heavy R&D investment from the other ADC manufacturers. Personally I still have a preference for the Burr Brown sound as long as it is implemented well, at the 2 ends of the scale for me are Yamaha (not a fan) and Emotiva (they use them to good effect). Cheers Gary |
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Post by Jim on Nov 29, 2016 23:09:04 GMT -5
Gary Cook Thank you for the info. Much appreciated. I recall Burr Brown chips to be very much premium / "state of the art"... Just feel like I see them mentioned less these days.
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Post by cwt on Nov 30, 2016 3:50:12 GMT -5
Gary Cook Thank you for the info. Much appreciated. I recall Burr Brown chips to be very much premium / "state of the art"... Just feel like I see them mentioned less these days. I think the odds of more upmarket burr brown dacs in the xmc1 are good considering the xmc1 architecture . Emo has a close relationship with Momentum data systems ie the Momentum Data Systems DAE-7D DSP-based OEM-audio module is utilised for its TI dsp processing chips . The TI link with BB makes procurement from just the 1 source a plus imo . Maybe even a bulk deal ? Especially when oem suppliers can cripple a ce [like what happened to an outlaw pre pro product iirc] btw Good to hear that Emo have relented on the send in for hdmi upgrade and test regime - especially for those o'seas like me  |
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Post by Dan Laufman on Dec 1, 2016 22:15:48 GMT -5
We love TI DAC's and ADC's and continue to use them.
However the new higher end AKM parts are smoking hot. They have simply amazing performance, features, and most importantly, sound quality.
IMO, they put the ESS parts to shame... now don't everyone start yelling at me. It's just my opinion, man.
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Post by hosko on Dec 1, 2016 22:21:55 GMT -5
We love TI DAC's and ADC's and continue to use them. However the new higher end AKM parts are smoking hot. They have simply amazing performance, features, and most importantly, sound quality. IMO, they put the ESS parts to shame... now don't everyone start yelling at me. It's just my opinion, man. Thanks Dan whilst I may have annoyed you earlier I am super keen on the new XMC2 to the point I think I may be the first to have one on pre-order. |
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