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Post by Bonzo on Dec 1, 2016 22:44:57 GMT -5
.. now don't everyone start yelling at me. It's just my opinion, man. I promise I won't yell at you Dan (unless you come up here to Ohio and steal my wife away from me!!!   ) But we both seem to be in the same boat when it comes to voicing our (sometimes, not always, differing) opinions. So we have yet another thing in common.  Here's to voicing our opinions! Virtual drinks on me! Cheers.  |
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Post by bolle on Dec 2, 2016 3:59:42 GMT -5
I agree regarding AKM. The AD-DA conversion in my DSPs is done by pretty current AKM chips, they add absolutely no coloring to the signal while being in the loop between the XMC and my amps. With other / older DSPs it was noticable to have them in the chain even if no EQ etc. was used.
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Post by seraphic on Dec 4, 2016 8:52:20 GMT -5
Any chance for Dirac Unison on the RMC-1 G3?
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 4, 2016 8:56:15 GMT -5
Yes it has been discussed by Dan himself. They are going to try to get it on their.
But his latest said Dirac at 24/192. That is probably because Dirac Unison is not out yet.
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Post by seraphic on Dec 4, 2016 9:01:54 GMT -5
Yes it has been discussed by Dan himself. They are going to try to get it on their. But his latest said Dirac at 24/192. That is probably because Dirac Unison is not out yet. Nice! And worst case, maybe it could be added later v.i firmware upgrade? Has there been and discussion on release dates prices estimates? |
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Post by LCSeminole on Dec 4, 2016 11:02:57 GMT -5
Yes it has been discussed by Dan himself. They are going to try to get it on their. But his latest said Dirac at 24/192. That is probably because Dirac Unison is not out yet. Nice! And worst case, maybe it could be added later v.i firmware upgrade? Has there been and discussion on release dates prices estimates? No release dates and I highly doubt we'll get any until they actually have all the parts for building them in-house. I've read some #'s bantered around here, but until Big Dan actually comes right out and states a price, those #'s are just that, speculation. |
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Post by seraphic on Dec 4, 2016 16:24:34 GMT -5
Nice! And worst case, maybe it could be added later v.i firmware upgrade? Has there been and discussion on release dates prices estimates? No release dates and I highly doubt we'll get any until they actually have all the parts for building them in-house. I've read some #'s bantered around here, but until Big Dan actually comes right out and states a price, those #'s are just that, speculation. I definitely keep an eye out for updates on it. Around this time next year be a good time for me. And while I don't have one of those fancy 40% off cards, I do have the 25% off UFL, so will put that to good use. |
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Post by hosko on Dec 4, 2016 19:31:04 GMT -5
I would hope to see something at CES, although that's not that far away
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 4, 2016 20:31:23 GMT -5
I would hope to see something at CES, although that's not that far away I am hoping with you. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Dec 4, 2016 21:35:14 GMT -5
We love TI DAC's and ADC's and continue to use them. However the new higher end AKM parts are smoking hot. They have simply amazing performance, features, and most importantly, sound quality. IMO, they put the ESS parts to shame... now don't everyone start yelling at me. It's just my opinion, man. I respectfully disagree that they put the ESS parts to shame but it would be hard to argue with the amazing value and performance of the AKM parts. I could not call one better than the other, just different. |
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Post by lonert on Dec 15, 2016 8:40:29 GMT -5
We love TI DAC's and ADC's and continue to use them. However the new higher end AKM parts are smoking hot. They have simply amazing performance, features, and most importantly, sound quality. IMO, they put the ESS parts to shame... now don't everyone start yelling at me. It's just my opinion, man. I respectfully disagree that they put the ESS parts to shame but it would be hard to argue with the amazing value and performance of the AKM parts. I could not call one better than the other, just different. Marantz 8802a, Oppo UDP-203, Anthem AVM-60, Schiit DACs (BiFrost, Modi Uber) are currently using AKM 4490s or 4458s. Unless AKM sales/marketing came to Dan's office from IBM of yore, there might be some truth to Dan's assertion. Listener's ears are different, too. To my ears, an Amperex BugleBoy 6DJ8 from Heerlen (or Siemens/Telefunken 6922) sounds like the ultimate tube. I am currently testing a Yamaha CX-A5100 with ESS 9016s. It is very nice, but the overall implementation of the unit could have been better. |
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Post by rtg97229 on Dec 15, 2016 21:33:23 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree that they put the ESS parts to shame but it would be hard to argue with the amazing value and performance of the AKM parts. I could not call one better than the other, just different. Marantz 8802a, Oppo UDP-203, Anthem AVM-60, Schiit DACs (BiFrost, Modi Uber) are currently using AKM 4490s or 4458s. Unless AKM sales/marketing came to Dan's office from IBM of yore, there might be some truth to Dan's assertion. Listener's ears are different, too. To my ears, an Amperex BugleBoy 6DJ8 from Heerlen (or Siemens/Telefunken 6922) sounds like the ultimate tube. I am currently testing a Yamaha CX-A5100 with ESS 9016s. It is very nice, but the overall implementation of the unit could have been better. My guess is that he is just excited about the parts used in his products. He has every right to be excited but that does not make his statement about one blowing the other out of the water true. The AKM parts are great at a price point that is a no brainer for many products. The ESS parts are great at a price point that seems a little silly to me but the performance and marketing seem to pay off for many. I own product with both companies parts and if I have to pick one, price point aside, it would be ESS by a small margin. Either way I would be happy though. |
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Post by webmst007 on Dec 20, 2016 8:51:05 GMT -5
this conversation about the new XMC-2 Gen 3 is not entirely dissimilar to the "features" discussion about 2 years ago about the XMC-1 gen 2 regarding new possible features which included topics such as the re purposing of the RCA output channels in a Dolby Atmos -enabled upgrade.
I think the emo commitment to make this and the other major XMC-1 upgrade happen is highly commendable.
And let's compare this for a moment with the "others" - well that's simple - just check e-bay for all the 4K/Atmos/DTS:X-rendered obsolete AV processors and receivers being ditched for a fraction of their purchase price. Example -A Krell AVP for $800 with balanced outputs and all the previous generation decoding (Dolby DD; DTS MA etc) but no 4K etc. And the what I call "early graveyard-designs" seem to continue without hesitation from many manufacturers with seemingly no intentions to change their production and development philosophies.
So that's the contrast for me between the yammy/denon/sony/intregra/onkyo/etc brigade and emo.
The promise of the "upgradable platform" is clearly demonstrated in the offerings discussed here - the xmc-1 upgrades; the new model XMC-2; the new RMC-1 gen 3.
Plenty of options to suit and all with some possible upgrade paths (presumably) for the future to hopefully help each purchase last 2, 3 or maybe more times longer in the techno currency game compared to most of the other options out there for the same investment.
You'll see in my equipment list I like electrostatics (not for profit- I just like to experiment) so I'm playing with the idea of a new Atmos "on-ceiling" design instead of "in-ceiling" - so no big holes - just a very low profile adjustable angle panel attached to the ceiling - needs a bit of work yet :-)
a XMC-1 or 2 will be ideal to fiddle with that while watching lots of material of course :-)
Perspective - would most of us be here discussing emo if they were products like Integra's? I think not.
IMO The emo people leave themselves open to criticism here because they have the courage of their convictions to stand and discuss openly the products they make every day.
That's pretty impressive these days - in any field of tech.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned about innovation but I like the dissent; the arguments; the opposing views; and all suggestions- great, crazy; or just obvious.
To me it's like a good kitchen - there's always some "heat" billowing up from people creating and that's a good thing.
So if users great excited - like us discussing emo directly with the emo "builders"- well that's because we're allowed to be part of that creative excitement too :-) Even if it get's a bit OTT sometimes - it's all part of the process.
So - I see.....
Perfect Products? - never -it's imperfect technology - it's always going to change and delight or vex us in equal measure :-)
Interesting discussions and Product Innovations? - absolutely - there are no dull moments around these people - that's who they are.
To everyone's taste? - no way - but I don't see emo's apologizing for that position and nor should they.
So let's stick around for the ride. After-all - really.......we all just love this stuff don't we ?? :-) :-)
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Post by rhale64 on Dec 20, 2016 14:00:22 GMT -5
^ wow!!! Now that is an awesome post right there
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Post by timmechengr on Jan 20, 2017 20:21:39 GMT -5
In my current setup, I use the Zone 2 (RCA) outputs on my XMC-1 going to my amp and then out to the speakers on my deck (UOM-6.2's). I'm definitely looking to upgrade to 4K/HDR and Atmos/DTS:X. I just purchased the LG OLED65E6P and picked up the Oppo UDP-203 last month, although neither is connected yet. With the Zone 2 (RCA) outputs becoming digital on the XMC-1 to make way for the upgrades, my upgrade choice from Emotiva becomes either the XMC-2 or the RMC-1. On the RMC-1 thread, pictures of the back panel show the Zone 2 (RCA) outputs included assuming it stays that way. I haven't seen or heard anything about these outputs on the XMC-2. Maybe I missed it, but has anything been mentioned?
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Post by aceinc on Jan 29, 2017 23:16:16 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter if they call it XMC-85 Gen unicorn, what matters (at least to me) is;
When? Realistically.
How Much?
Is there a trade in for an XMC-1?
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 30, 2017 3:59:35 GMT -5
Why would there be a trade in on the XMC-1? They're going to be completely different products. Sure in the same product space, but very different. What value would Emotiva gain by taking back an old XMC-1?
Now, this is very different from offering a customer who bought a previous product, a discount on a new product. That makes sense from the perspective of growing a customer base by rewarding existing customers. Emotiva already does this in varying degrees.
You could synthesize that to be a "trade in" if you took that Emotiva discount and then sold your XMC-1 on Craig's List or equivalent.
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Post by emovac on Feb 2, 2017 4:11:30 GMT -5
Why would there be a trade in on the XMC-1? They're going toe completely different products. Sure in the same product space, but very different. What value would Emotiva gain by taking back an old XMC-1? Now, this is very different from offering a customer who bought a previous product, a discount on a new product. That makes sense from the perspective of growing a customer base by rewarding existing customers. Emotiva already does this in varying degrees. You could synthesize that to be a "trade in" if you took that Emotiva discount and then sold your XMC-1 on Craig's List or equivalent. Casey Emotiva gear should have a very good resale confidence, especially considering the transferable warranty. |
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Post by Pfingstspatt on Feb 2, 2017 9:56:14 GMT -5
Is HDMI 2.1 a thing? i know that the specs were just released at the CES, but it would be nice if there is a way, that the XMC-2 will have it out of the box, or that it could be done via firmewareupdate. Otherwise, there maybe will be a mainboardupgrade in a few months which will cost extra $$.
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Post by RX on Feb 2, 2017 10:16:45 GMT -5
Would love to see something like DTS Play-Fi incorporated into the XMC2 to be able to stream FLAC's etc directly to the unit. Possibility?
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