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Post by KeithL on Feb 2, 2017 11:38:37 GMT -5
HDMI 2.1 is a real thing - and it has been released. HDMI includes 8k/60 video (yes, really). It also calls for a cable that can do 48 gBPS (current premium cables do 18 gBPS). There is no hardware - or content - that's even close. We're probably talking several years rather than months - and is isn't going to be a firmware update. Is HDMI 2.1 a thing? i know that the specs were just released at the CES, but it would be nice if there is a way, that the XMC-2 will have it out of the box, or that it could be done via firmewareupdate. Otherwise, there maybe will be a mainboardupgrade in a few months which will cost extra $$. |
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Post by cwt on Feb 2, 2017 11:48:28 GMT -5
Is HDMI 2.1 a thing? i know that the specs were just released at the CES, but it would be nice if there is a way, that the XMC-2 will have it out of the box, or that it could be done via firmewareupdate. Otherwise, there maybe will be a mainboardupgrade in a few months which will cost extra $$. All depends on timing and chipset availability; no one knows at present ;)No chance of firmware upgradability - its a different form factor for a start; has extra tmds traces and massively increases bandwidth .. One things for sure ; not a lot of other makes have modular design to upgrade at all  And those that do like Krell charge like a wounded bull  edit ; what Keith said |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Feb 2, 2017 12:49:08 GMT -5
Well, first, there's no way it could be done via Firmware. HDMI 2.1 is going to require new PHYs (Physical Layer Interfaces).
Second, it's a big step up in signaling frequency. My guess is that it'll be at least a year before we see any PHYs capable of handling this. And quite possibly longer.
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Post by Bonzo on Feb 2, 2017 14:12:26 GMT -5
So I'm guessing they didn't change the physical HDMI connector plug so the cords will be backwards compatible? A damned shame. The current plug is a joke. It's one of the worst connectors I've ever seen. I'd say screw the backwards compatibility. If everyone is going to need new cords anyway, why don't they change the horrible plug design?
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Post by neekos on Feb 2, 2017 14:21:18 GMT -5
I agree. I'd love to see a secure connection similar to a VGA cable with the securing posts on the sides
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Post by Casey Leedom on Feb 2, 2017 14:33:16 GMT -5
Yes. Anything other than the insane HDMI connector. It makes you want to find the engineers responsible for the design and slap them. (This is often the case when you're dealing with standards and trying to make products needing to use those standards actually work.) I'm really surprised that no popular Locking HDMI Connector has ever been developed.
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Post by scot on Feb 8, 2017 17:40:26 GMT -5
Couple quick questions:
Has the XMC-2 been shown anywhere yet? I.e, how likely is it to be coming VERY soon (February) vs sometime soon (2017)
Are all of the basic details known or are we waiting on anything?
I have a 4k/hdr setup already, using a marantz receiver. Unfortunately the marantz has failed, again, this time the IR sensor, which doesn't count some of the other issues I have with it. I have it limping along via apps on phones, but really want to change it out with something that is going to last a long while both from a HW sense and from a features point of view. The idea of replaceable inputs and possibly keeping up with hdmi 2.1 in the future is pretty tempting...
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Post by hosko on Feb 8, 2017 18:30:12 GMT -5
Couple quick questions: Has the XMC-2 been shown anywhere yet? I.e, how likely is it to be coming VERY soon (February) vs sometime soon (2017) Are all of the basic details known or are we waiting on anything? It hasnt been shown anywhere yet, the RMC has been shown and still doesn't have a release date so don't hold your breath for the XMC2 until the later part of this year at the earliest. The only details we know is its 11.2 all with XLR connectors, the front 3 channels all fully differential and Dirac @ 96/24. If I have missed something please correct me. |
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Post by emovac on Feb 11, 2017 4:55:15 GMT -5
Couple quick questions: Has the XMC-2 been shown anywhere yet? I.e, how likely is it to be coming VERY soon (February) vs sometime soon (2017) Are all of the basic details known or are we waiting on anything? I have a 4k/hdr setup already, using a marantz receiver. Unfortunately the marantz has failed, again, this time the IR sensor, which doesn't count some of the other issues I have with it. I have it limping along via apps on phones, but really want to change it out with something that is going to last a long while both from a HW sense and from a features point of view. The idea of replaceable inputs and possibly keeping up with hdmi 2.1 in the future is pretty tempting... Which Marantz? AVR, or AVP? I hate it when stuff breaks..... |
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Post by scot on Feb 11, 2017 15:00:51 GMT -5
SR-5010. Last year it lost all HDMI, the repair place put a few new boards in it and it worked fine until a month or so ago when the IR just plain stopped working.
Separate amps and hopefully no ground noise coming from the HDMI to HTPC would be amazing in and of itself. Add in the rest of the capabilities and I really want that XMC-2. Not knowing when it a bit of a pain.
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Post by bigsam411 on Mar 1, 2017 9:40:48 GMT -5
So if I understand this thread correctly, the current XMC-1 will get the Atmos/DTS-X upgrade and not have the balanced outs for the height channels and that will be within the next couple of months while the XMC-2 with balanced XLR outs for all speakers and subs will come out later this year?
I am planning on moving in a few months and building a theater in my new home and have been eyeing the XMC-2 but may have to settle for the XMC-1 because I am impatient. I want to do a full 7.1.4 or 7.2.4 setup.
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Post by panchakshari on Mar 1, 2017 13:07:13 GMT -5
Any idea about...XMC-1's Atmos, DtsX upgradation Board...?
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 1, 2017 13:17:19 GMT -5
Any idea about...XMC-1's Atmos, DtsX upgradation Board...? As far as an ETA...? Nope. Last word was Q2, 2017. |
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Post by panchakshari on Mar 2, 2017 2:49:25 GMT -5
But, till showing in XMC-1 page is.. Q1-2017...??
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 2, 2017 12:59:47 GMT -5
Back to the XMC-2 (gen 3). Dan has said that it'll have the Front Left/Center/Right channels fully balanced ala the RMC-1's 16 Fully Balanced channels. But there's been no mention of how those will compare with the RMC-1's implementation. I'm thinking that they'd use the same implementation ( AK4490EN currently) simply in order to lower development/testing/support costs. Of course, the difference there would be that Dirac Live will operate at 192kHz on the RMC-1 and 96kHz on the XMC-2 as things stand now. Still, it'll make it hard to choose between them. As a Completely Over The Top kind of Gear Head, I'm likely to go with the RMC-1. Also, it's almost certainly going to be available long before the XMC-2 ... Casey |
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Post by scot on Mar 3, 2017 11:36:53 GMT -5
But, till showing in XMC-1 page is.. Q1-2017...?? I think what panchakshari was trying to say is the xmc-2 gen3 (or xmc-1 gen 3, as it is mentioned in some places) is listed as due q1 2017 on the emotive website. This is where my confusion was coming from in January, and the lack of a change to that page is frustrating. I understand dates slip, but once you state a date it is a commitment to keep those dates updated. It does a company no good to send out a date, then leave old information on their public website. Others have mentioned q2 as a date, but I can't find anything officially stating that is a target? BTW, I would probably go with the rmc-1, but it is double my price range. XMC-2 gen 3 is already at the absolute max  (honestly it is well above it, but whatcha gonna do) |
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Post by garbulky on Mar 3, 2017 12:25:35 GMT -5
So if I understand this thread correctly, the current XMC-1 will get the Atmos/DTS-X upgrade and not have the balanced outs for the height channels and that will be within the next couple of months while the XMC-2 with balanced XLR outs for all speakers and subs will come out later this year? I am planning on moving in a few months and building a theater in my new home and have been eyeing the XMC-2 but may have to settle for the XMC-1 because I am impatient. I want to do a full 7.1.4 or 7.2.4 setup. If you are looking for future upgradability, you should be looking towards the XMC-2 is my line of thinking. |
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 3, 2017 12:44:58 GMT -5
But, till showing in XMC-1 page is.. Q1-2017...?? I think what panchakshari was trying to say is the xmc-2 gen3 (or xmc-1 gen 3, as it is mentioned in some places) is listed as due q1 2017 on the emotive website. ... Where is that? I can't find any reference to the XMC-2 anywhere on the emotiva.com website. As far as I know, the first mention of the XMC-2 was from Dan back in the tail end of November 2016 when he was addressing concerns about how far the XMC-1 Upgrade Path would extend. I haven't seen any schedule regarding that at all. And given the set of other products on Emotiva's plate which need to get finalized, I'd be really surprised if the XMC-2 were available any time in the first half of 2017, and not too surprised if it was a fair chunk later. The biggest single governing factors in its schedule are likely to be A. getting the RMC-1 finished and out the door, and B. how much the XMC-2 looks like an RMC-1 stripped down to just the front three channels Fully Differential. The first is simply the gating factor of resources, and the second is how leveraged the XMC-2 is on the RMC-1 design, development, and testing (and eventually customer support). Casey |
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 3, 2017 13:06:10 GMT -5
But, till showing in XMC-1 page is.. Q1-2017...?? I think what panchakshari was trying to say is the xmc-2 gen3 (or xmc-1 gen 3, as it is mentioned in some places) is listed as due q1 2017 on the emotive website. This is where my confusion was coming from in January, and the lack of a change to that page is frustrating. I understand dates slip, but once you state a date it is a commitment to keep those dates updated. It does a company no good to send out a date, then leave old information on their public website. Others have mentioned q2 as a date, but I can't find anything officially stating that is a target? BTW, I would probably go with the rmc-1, but it is double my price range. XMC-2 gen 3 is already at the absolute max (honestly it is well above it, but whatcha gonna do) There is no XMC-1 "Gen 3" and there's no mention of the XMC-2 (which will be a Gen 3 platform) on the website. What "is" mentioned on the website is "upgrades" to the current XMC-1 platform. Whether that will make the XMC-1 the technical equivalent to the XMC-2 remains to be seen. I, personally, doubt that it will. It's "my" belief that the XMC-1 and XMC-2 will coexist as long as it's feasible for them to do so. The XMC-1 will remain as a 7.2 channel processor for those who don't need (or want) Atmos/DTS-X and the XMC-2 will be fully enabled "out of the box". The upgrades will remain for current or future owners of the XMC-1 platform who choose to expand as their need grow without repurchasing the entire box. As for the "Q1 2017" availability of the XMC-1 upgrades, that doesn't seem likely at this point. There's still 28 days left, but I'd bet we're looking at early Q2...  |
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Post by panchakshari on Mar 3, 2017 14:04:23 GMT -5
XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x
Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs)
Available as an option on the XMC-1 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X)
Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499)
Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2
Available Q1 - 2017..
Hi folks.l just mentioned the above information from XMC-1 page..Still, it is there..
Thanks.
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(honestly it is well above it, but whatcha gonna do)
