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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 3, 2017 14:08:08 GMT -5
Ah, okay, but that's for an XMC-1 upgrade, not the XMC-2 for which we have no release schedule information.
For the upgrade you mention above I'm pretty sure I saw a message from Keith relatively recently saying that they're waiting for chips and programming. But it's not likely to be horrendously late. They probably haven't updated the page simply because they can't quite offer a completely concrete schedule.
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Post by bigsam411 on Mar 3, 2017 14:15:23 GMT -5
Ah, okay, but that's for an XMC-1 upgrade, not the XMC-2 for which we have no release schedule information. For the upgrade you mention above I'm pretty sure I saw a message from Keith relatively recently saying that they're waiting for chips and programming. But it's not likely to be horrendously late. They probably haven't updated the page simply because they can't quite offer a completely concrete schedule. Casey Reading through the comments it seems that people started getting confused about the upgraded XMC-1 and the XMC-2. I really personally hope the XMC-2 is not too far off as I feel that would have a better upgrade path going forward. I am in the very early stages of planning a theater build in a future basement. |
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Post by panchakshari on Mar 3, 2017 14:16:24 GMT -5
Sorry Casey Leedom..
I mean I am telling about my XMC-1 upgradation.. Waiting is really not a problem..
But, in future, Emotiva should mention the time for any modifications/upgradations in website with care. Because, people like me are fallowing XMC-1 page and believe.
Thanks.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Mar 3, 2017 14:37:16 GMT -5
It's always a dicey proposition to provide early product release information. In product development there are always delays. And then there's also the cannibalization issue to consider. And of course the repercussions from releasing a product early in order to satisfy "customer demand" but before it's been tested sufficiently ... There's no simple answer. It almost always falls into that Facebook description of your current relationship status: "It's Complicated" ... :-)
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Post by klinemj on Mar 3, 2017 17:23:00 GMT -5
Sorry Casey Leedom.. I mean I am telling about my XMC-1 upgradation.. Waiting is really not a problem.. But, in future, Emotiva should mention the time for any modifications/upgradations in website with care. Because, people like me are fallowing XMC-1 page and believe. Thanks. FYI, Emotiva has great products and overall great service, and given the past...they do only mention timings "with care". They got burned in the past by being too optimistic and trying to provide inside info early and often. Speculation got taken as a promise, and any missed promise was met with hate. As a result, they tend to not say anything really firm until they know for sure. For that reason, it is very surprising they have said anything at all about the upgrade timing or put it on their website more than a week prior to shipping. That they have says they are indeed close. Given 1Q17 is not over, they still may be accurate on the website. And if not, it isn't life and death depending on its arrival. In any case, hang tight...I am sure it will be available as soon as they have parts and confirm they work. Mark |
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Post by Lsc on Mar 3, 2017 17:24:20 GMT -5
XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs) Available as an option on the XMC-1 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X) Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499) Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 Available Q1 - 2017.. Hi folks.l just mentioned the above information from XMC-1 page..Still, it is there.. Thanks. So they still have almost a month to release it and have it still be considered a Q1 release. |
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Post by panchakshari on Mar 4, 2017 0:10:54 GMT -5
Ok
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Post by scot on Mar 7, 2017 21:43:49 GMT -5
I believe it was stated that dan said the xmc-1 gen3 and xmc-2 gen3 are the same thing and the naming was changed later. Why make two different units with the same features?
This is another reason I think the pages need to be updated...
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 7, 2017 23:32:48 GMT -5
I believe it was stated that dan said the xmc-1 gen3 and xmc-2 gen3 are the same thing and the naming was changed later. Why make two different units with the same features? This is another reason I think the pages need to be updated... I could have missed it, but I don't remember Dan ever saying that there would be an XMC-1 "Gen 3". I do, however, remember him stating that they would continue to make the XMC-1, in its current form, as long as there is a demand for it and it's financially feasible to do so. The XMC-2 "Gen 3" will be the eventual heir to the throne and will run concurrently alongside the XMC-1. The difference between the two will be that the XMC-1 will be a straight up 7.2 channel processor (with an availabile Atmos/DTS-X upgrade path) while the XMC-2 will be 7.2.4 Atmos/DTS-X ready out of the box. The XMC-2 will also be "fully balanced" on the front three channels, contain upgraded DACs, use a more powerful DSP and will be able to run Dirac Live at 96K. In short, the XMC-2 will fall squarely between the upcoming RMC-1 and the current XMC-1. So, no, they're not going to be the same units with the same features at all...  |
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Post by scot on Mar 8, 2017 19:31:48 GMT -5
XMC-1 gen 3 was included in press releases as well as still quoted on the official webpage.
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 9, 2017 10:56:33 GMT -5
XMC-1 gen 3 was included in press releases as well as still quoted on the official webpage. Scot, I don't understand where you're getting this information from, but I see nothing on Emotiva's "official" website that even remotely refers to a "Gen 3" version of the XMC-1. I've also seen no official press release of which I'm sure would have been made public at CES 2017. Having said that, I'll simply let Dan Laufman (the man who would certainly know these things for sure) speak for himself. See Dan's statement below and hope this clarifies.... OK, OK... Let me make this clear... The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available. OK? Cheers, Big Dan |
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 9, 2017 13:49:10 GMT -5
Reading through the comments it seems that people started getting confused about the upgraded XMC-1 and the XMC-2. I'm smugly glad you concluded this, because I said many many months ago that Emotiva needed to come up with a better nomenclature system regarding the XMC, it's various firmware and hardware upgrades, it's new "2" version, and any future updating we haven't even dreamed up yet. I said then that it was going to cause a lot of unneeded confusion, and guess what, it has, already. Just read the few posts above mine here and there is confusion. When I brought this up in the past I basically got slammed, or at least dinged, saying I should just relax and that I was making a mountain out of a mole hill. Well I'm here to say I'm not making a mountain out of anything. I'm just stating fact. All these firmware numbers, the -1 and -2, and Gen 1 Gen 2 Gen 3 crap is for the birds, and it causes confusion. But ya know, in the end I don't really care. It was just a suggestion to help people and Emotiva. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. |
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Post by goodfellas27 on Mar 9, 2017 16:17:31 GMT -5
Any news on the update release dates? I want Atmos/HDMI2.0b/Dirac96Khz in my XMC-1 already. What's the hold-up? Anyways, Dirac is making some updates to their Dirac Live software MJ: We are currently working on a number of improvements for the Dirac Live software, in addition to a few algorithm refinements. In fact, there will be a completely new Dirac Live calibration software coming out in a few months. Even more exciting, 2017 will be the year that we finally showcase a Dirac Unison calibration tool for hi-fi use. Our challenge and our goal with this project has been to retain the performance benefits of Dirac Unison while simultaneously creating an intuitive, not-too-technical calibration tool. 2017 marks the year that we deliver on this goal, which we at Dirac feel constitutes a major milestone in a new generation of digital room-correction systems. While expectations for Dirac Unison are quite high, we’re confident that it will not disappoint! Read more at www.soundandvision.com/content/ridding-world-bad-sound-page-2#mPTjyUPEjjKKYLd1.99 |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 9, 2017 16:41:43 GMT -5
What a bunch of bunk. No matter what names they use there's going to be whining around here; as if anything would actually halt or even slow that around here.
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 9, 2017 16:44:15 GMT -5
Any news on the update release dates? I want Atmos/HDMI2.0b/Dirac96Khz in my XMC-1 already. What's the hold-up? Anyways, Dirac is making some updates to their Dirac Live software MJ: We are currently working on a number of improvements for the Dirac Live software, in addition to a few algorithm refinements. In fact, there will be a completely new Dirac Live calibration software coming out in a few months. Even more exciting, 2017 will be the year that we finally showcase a Dirac Unison calibration tool for hi-fi use. Our challenge and our goal with this project has been to retain the performance benefits of Dirac Unison while simultaneously creating an intuitive, not-too-technical calibration tool. 2017 marks the year that we deliver on this goal, which we at Dirac feel constitutes a major milestone in a new generation of digital room-correction systems. While expectations for Dirac Unison are quite high, we’re confident that it will not disappoint! Read more at www.soundandvision.com/content/ridding-world-bad-sound-page-2#mPTjyUPEjjKKYLd1.99Has anyone heard, or maybe Keith can speak to, if these improvements will be made available on the xmc-1 version of dirac live? |
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Post by bolle on Mar 9, 2017 17:10:58 GMT -5
I asked that before - no answer... I still hope that the DSP-upgrade will enable the XMC-1 for 96kHz DIRAC.
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 9, 2017 17:47:05 GMT -5
Super duper secret do do. Or maybe they don't know
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Post by scot on Mar 13, 2017 10:50:13 GMT -5
doc: www.sohmerassoc.com/ces_2017/emotiva/Emotiva-CES17-XMC-1_Gen_3-010317.pdfIt appears this was delivered by emotive to sohmer for release related to CES this year. Believe me, I'm not concerned about the name. The confusion is that the mentions in different places push the XMC 1 gen 3 naming to have been replaced by XMC-2 Gen 3. Yet the references to the XMC-1 remain, as do target dates and obviously this creates problems in expectations as shown on the forum. Adjusting those dates and names on the corporate website is a pretty standard thing or putting something up about the differences etc if they are different units. |
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Post by cwt on Mar 14, 2017 1:33:15 GMT -5
Its unfortunate Scot that there have been so many versions/iterations of the xmc1 over the years . Many websites out there that have misleading information or are just left as is for ages unfortunately ; at least you know what is in store for the XMC1 as your lead straight to the relevant unambiguous page vvv  Something throws a spanner in the supply chain and you get discrepancies in what the website says timewise ; along those lines Ide say the lack of any information displayed about the XMC2 is a consequence of how long away its gestation is - the RMC1 has gotten more coverage and that says something about release imho emotiva.com/xmc-1-enhancements I just interpret anything that mentions the generation of the XMC1 to be totally divorced from anything that says XMC2 ; it just seems obvious to me that its a new design otherwise it would be a XMC1 gen xxx.. ; my 2.0c of logic for the day What I find screwy with nomenclature is when CE'S use the same or similar lettering for devices with little congruity between them eg Denons AVC A1SE and later totally reconfigured and changed ones like the AVC-A1HDA .. I could go on with Cary's efforts with the cinema 11 and 11a as no doubt could other members . |
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Post by doc1963 on Mar 14, 2017 9:35:15 GMT -5
doc: www.sohmerassoc.com/ces_2017/emotiva/Emotiva-CES17-XMC-1_Gen_3-010317.pdfIt appears this was delivered by emotive to sohmer for release related to CES this year. Believe me, I'm not concerned about the name. The confusion is that the mentions in different places push the XMC 1 gen 3 naming to have been replaced by XMC-2 Gen 3. Yet the references to the XMC-1 remain, as do target dates and obviously this creates problems in expectations as shown on the forum. Adjusting those dates and names on the corporate website is a pretty standard thing or putting something up about the differences etc if they are different units. Scot... The press release you're linking to is from Sohmer Associates (an advertising agency), not by Emotiva directly. It was clearly never made "official" and was apparently never released to the audio press. If it were, you'd find this information by way of many other well known audio industry media outlets, not just by way of an advertising agency's website that no one, other than by way of a Google search, knows about or has ever heard of. What's more, if it were indeed "official", this information would be readily available on Emotiva's own website. It's not. IMO, the information in the press release was likely information given to the advertising agency months before CES and, based upon Dan's comments I quoted above, probably reconsidered, dropped and never removed by the advertising agency. Who's to say for sure? But if you go to the Audioholics CES 2017 interview with Dan (linked HERE) and forward ahead to 2:24 in the timeline, you'll clearly see that the XMC-1 is displayed as "Gen2" on the placard on the table directly in front of the XMC-1 with absolutely no mention of a "Gen3" in the pipeline. Now, I do agree that all of the "Gen1", Gen2" and "Gen3" nomenclature gets confusing and, in some cases, is rather pointless. With their amps, I fully understand the logic, but they don't carry this same badging across the entire product line. For instance, their CD players. We have the ERC-1, ERC-2 and ERC-3 (even though the ERC-3 displays "Gen3" on the faceplate). That's pretty simple and I think is what Dan's comment above is intending to spell out. |
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Something throws a spanner in the supply chain and you get discrepancies in what the website says timewise ; along those lines Ide say the lack of any information displayed about the XMC2 is a consequence of how long away its gestation is - the RMC1 has gotten more coverage and that says something about release imho 