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Post by jonas79 on Jan 15, 2017 6:47:30 GMT -5
Seen alot of rumors on this forum on a updated version for XMC-1 first gen.
So thats why i start this thread to get the newest info
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 15, 2017 12:00:21 GMT -5
Here's probably the most succinct comments we've heard from Dan in the RMC-1 thread on what the XMC-2 is likely to look like: OK, OK... Let me make this clear... The XMC-1 will upgrade to 7.2.4, but it will re-purpose some of the RCA outputs to achieve this functionality. We've discussed this before. That's why it remains the G2 XMC-1. We'll continue to enhance and support this platform for the long run. Dirac Live will be implemented on all new outputs. But even with the upgrades, it will always be G2. The NEW XMC-2 G3 will have ALL balanced outputs. Full Dirac Live will operate at 96K on this model and it will be standard with purchase. Unlike the XMC-1 which has the L & R channels "fully balanced", the XMC-2 will have L,R,& C "fully balanced" This is what we refer to as "Differential Reference". In Differential Reference mode, there is no single ended to balanced conversion. It's FULLY DIFFERENTIAL from input to output. Including volume controls, DAC's, everything! The RMC-1 G3 wil have Full Dirac Live on all outputs and it will most likely operate at 192k. We're checking MIP's requirements at the moment, but we should be OK. Again, it will be standard with purchase. And all 16 outputs will operate in Differential Reference mode with the finest components available. OK? Cheers, Big Dan No mention of which DACs or DSPs will be used in the XMC-2. I'd guess the same as the RMC-1 simply because of reduced engineering development cost (being able to share the development/maintenance costs between the two), but that's purely a guess based on my own engineering experience. But I'll also guess that since there was no mention of the XMC-2 at CES, that it's a "bit" further out than the RMC-1 and it's description above is likely to change somewhat over time. We'll have to see. I'm personally desperately trying to convince myself to wait for the XMC-2 because I really don't need the power offered by the RMC-1, but I'll probably lose that argument with myself ... :-) Casey |
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Post by petew on Jan 15, 2017 12:25:45 GMT -5
I'd guess the XMC-2 will replace the XMC-1. The two processors are too similar for it to make business sense to offer both for sale.
Purely speculation here, but here's my wag:
XMC-2 gets new chassis and analog board (specific to XMC-2 only)
XMC-2 gets new digital board and DSP daughter card using the SHARC DSP hardware instead of TI. (can retrofit to XMC-1)
XMC-2 gets new HDMI board (can retrofit XMC-1)
Both processors use the current XMC-1 power supply and radio tuner module.
XMC-2 gets new front panel with minor tweaks(no retrofit to XMC-1)
XMC-2 gets new Linux control computer with revised trigger circuitry, more RAM and flash memory (multiple Dirac presets) and faster boot (can retrofit to XMC-1)
XMC-2 priced at $2,499
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Post by Axis on Jan 15, 2017 12:28:50 GMT -5
Looking forward to learning what new parts they are using in the RMC-1 that is slated to be coming out this year. Technology for Home Theater surround processors is changing with not only the copyright requirements for video but for Atmos and DTS X. Emotiva takes there best and makes it there Basic so they can raise the bar on there Top. I have a feeling that the possible XMC-2 may not be a just improved XMC-1.
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 15, 2017 12:31:29 GMT -5
Xmc-2 will be priced at 2999 with Atmos, dts:x, and hdmi 2.0b on all ports. This was discussed before when it was refereed to as g3 xmc-1.
Xmc-1 will get upgraded dsp for atmos and dts:x along with hdmi 2.0b. Probably end of life at that point (which wasn't a bad run). Maybe one more hdmi upgrade if it can be done and emo can profit from it.
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Post by emovac on Jan 16, 2017 22:37:31 GMT -5
Xmc-2 will be priced at 2999 with Atmos, dts:x, and hdmi 2.0b on all ports. This was discussed before when it was refereed to as g3 xmc-1. Xmc-1 will get upgraded dsp for atmos and dts:x along with hdmi 2.0b. Probably end of life at that point (which wasn't a bad run). Maybe one more hdmi upgrade if it can be done and emo can profit from it. As a bargain brand, Emotiva will have some trouble with continued price increases on models performing similar features/ functions. Competition is out there when the price creeps up. Other major brands don't jump the price for every new year's model variation. |
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 16, 2017 23:08:52 GMT -5
Xmc-2 will be priced at 2999 with Atmos, dts:x, and hdmi 2.0b on all ports. This was discussed before when it was refereed to as g3 xmc-1. Xmc-1 will get upgraded dsp for atmos and dts:x along with hdmi 2.0b. Probably end of life at that point (which wasn't a bad run). Maybe one more hdmi upgrade if it can be done and emo can profit from it. As a bargain brand, Emotiva will have some trouble with continued price increases on models performing similar features/ functions. Competition is out there when the price creeps up. Other major brands don't jump the price for every new year's model variation. While I don't like to see the price creep up I'm not aware of a single avp that offers Dirac room correction for the same or less money (especially when these are on sale). What can do 7.2.4 object audio with Dirac on all channels for less than $3k? |
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Post by hosko on Jan 17, 2017 0:15:19 GMT -5
As a bargain brand, Emotiva will have some trouble with continued price increases on models performing similar features/ functions. Competition is out there when the price creeps up. Other major brands don't jump the price for every new year's model variation. The Anthem AVM 60 is $2,999 and the Marantz AV8802A is $3,999. The XMC2 price seems inline with those. |
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Post by emovac on Jan 17, 2017 1:44:55 GMT -5
Anthem and Marantz are not bargain brands. The RMC is certainly expected to be more expensive, but improved renditions of the same model don't normally get jacked up in price. Take a gander at Marantz and Yamaha AVR offerings. From year to year, they tend to stay relatively close on price.
Emotiva is a nice product, but its space is in the bargain brand slot. When prices match Anthem and Marantz, the big brands will get most of the business.
Frankly, Dirac is the main reason I'm giving the XMC-1 a look. Arcam AV390 AVR is in the same general price range which also has Dirac.
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Post by brutiarti on Jan 17, 2017 8:29:05 GMT -5
The new Arcam AV860 has 12 balanced outputs (not sure if they are fully balanced) with a price tag of $5000
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Post by fbczar on Jan 17, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
As a bargain brand, Emotiva will have some trouble with continued price increases on models performing similar features/ functions. Competition is out there when the price creeps up. Other major brands don't jump the price for every new year's model variation. The Anthem AVM 60 is $2,999 and the Marantz AV8802A is $3,999. The XMC2 price seems inline with those. The Marantz 8802A can be purchased for much less than the $3,999.00 retail price. Of course, it uses Audyssey, but it does have DSD playback capabilities, Atmos, DTS-X and Auro 3D ( Auro 3D is extra cost). It also claims to be balanced. For me the big attraction of the XMC-2 and RMC-1 are the upgraded versions of Dirac with 96/24 and 192/24 sampling rates. If they can store multiple Dirac settings it would be a big plus. |
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 17, 2017 10:17:37 GMT -5
From a quality/performance standpoint, the XMC is no "bargain brand" and aside from recent newer features is a superior product than the equivalent Marantz/Anthem counterparts.
Assuming $3k is correct, they'll have:
$599 - MC700
$1k - EMP-1
$3k - XMC-2
$5k - RMC-1
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Post by Loop 7 on Jan 17, 2017 11:23:12 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for the RMC-5 before upgrading.
It will support 16K video and Dolby Reality (object based sound, smells and physical content like rain, wind, debris and mosquitos).
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Post by dwaleke on Jan 17, 2017 11:35:30 GMT -5
The Anthem AVM 60 is $2,999 and the Marantz AV8802A is $3,999. The XMC2 price seems inline with those. The Marantz 8802A can be purchased for much less than the $3,999.00 retail price. Of course, it uses Audyssey, but it does have DSD playback capabilities, Atmos, DTS-X and Auro 3D ( Auro 3D is extra cost). It also claims to be balanced. For me the big attraction of the XMC-2 and RMC-1 are the upgraded versions of Dirac with 96/24 and 192/24 sampling rates. If they can store multiple Dirac settings it would be a big plus. The xmc-2 can be purchased for less than msrp also. |
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Post by millst on Jan 17, 2017 12:24:24 GMT -5
You're from the future? How far ahead? In this timeline, how long do we have to wait until the XMC-2 ships?
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Post by hemster on Jan 17, 2017 12:36:13 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for the RMC-5 before upgrading. It will support 16K video and Dolby Reality (object based sound, smells and physical content like rain, wind, debris and mosquitos). In that case, 50 Shades of Gray should be quite interesting!  Bring on Feel-a-Rama! Tactile movie-going experience. I'll be renting Caligula regularly then. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Jan 17, 2017 12:43:30 GMT -5
I'm going to wait for the RMC-5 before upgrading. It will support 16K video and Dolby Reality (object based sound, smells and physical content like rain, wind, debris and mosquitos). In that case, 50 Shades of Gray should be quite interesting! Bring on Feel-a-Rama! Tactile movie-going experience. I'll be renting Caligula regularly then. I'm going to pass; the "wedding present" for the groom would not be pleasant at all. |
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Post by hemster on Jan 17, 2017 12:44:47 GMT -5
In that case, 50 Shades of Gray should be quite interesting! Bring on Feel-a-Rama! Tactile movie-going experience. I'll be renting Caligula regularly then. I'm going to pass; the "wedding present" for the groom would not be pleasant at all. Plan to sneak out to refill popcorn and beverage at that time! |
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Post by emovac on Jan 17, 2017 14:14:48 GMT -5
The new Arcam AV860 has 12 balanced outputs (not sure if they are fully balanced) with a price tag of $5000 Looked at that one, but the AVR / AVP is mostly a source controller in my setup. I have decent DACs and don't need any new surround modes. Emotiva has my interest for its being eqipped with Dirac, as is Arcam, and miniDSP (Dirac capable hardware). I'll probably wait and see if Emo comes out with an MQA capable processor. Somebody will. |
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Post by jonas79 on Jan 21, 2017 6:34:02 GMT -5
Xmc-2 will be priced at 2999 with Atmos, dts:x, and hdmi 2.0b on all ports. This was discussed before when it was refereed to as g3 xmc-1. Xmc-1 will get upgraded dsp for atmos and dts:x along with hdmi 2.0b. Probably end of life at that point (which wasn't a bad run). Maybe one more hdmi upgrade if it can be done and emo can profit from it. As a bargain brand, Emotiva will have some trouble with continued price increases on models performing similar features/ functions. Competition is out there when the price creeps up. Other major brands don't jump the price for every new year's model variation. They have lost almost all sales in Sweden i think for all price increases under the last years. And i have heard that countries that got resellers in store are more expansive then shop directly from Usa with Taxes and Shipping. With a Msrp on 2999 Usd they go up directly against Anthem AVM-60 Processor. But i dont have the need of all that channels that RMC-1 uses so hope the XMC-2 will be a killer processor |
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