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Post by leonski on Apr 7, 2018 1:25:55 GMT -5
Well it seems that the poll itself clearly states that not many want these 1,200 amps so move on to the next big idea. I am pretty sure Emotiva did not make a lot of money out of the XPR line up of amps. I wonder what kind of support could be mustered for a Full Featured INTEGRATED amp? Maybe 200x2 with DAC, tone controls, Bass management and maybe even a processor loop. 'Split' pre / main, of course as well as HT passthru. Include 1 or 2 sets of Balanced I/O of course. You could 'innovate' with a 3rd (center) channel output as well. Maybe 1200$ to 1500$ max price. Call it 1/2 the price of the Parasound Halo integrated. For THAT matter, if EMO made an FM tuner, I'd consider it. Make it for about 90$ retail, small in form factor and enough 'memory' for all local stations. |
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Post by teaman on Apr 7, 2018 1:40:06 GMT -5
Well it seems that the poll itself clearly states that not many want these 1,200 amps so move on to the next big idea. I am pretty sure Emotiva did not make a lot of money out of the XPR line up of amps. I wonder what kind of support could be mustered for a Full Featured INTEGRATED amp? Maybe 200x2 with DAC, tone controls, Bass management and maybe even a processor loop. 'Split' pre / main, of course as well as HT passthru. Include 1 or 2 sets of Balanced I/O of course. You could 'innovate' with a 3rd (center) channel output as well. Maybe 1200$ to 1500$ max price. Call it 1/2 the price of the Parasound Halo integrated. For THAT matter, if EMO made an FM tuner, I'd consider it. Make it for about 90$ retail, small in form factor and enough 'memory' for all local stations. Why an FM tuner? Get the TuneInRadio app and stream your FM stations in crystal clear. |
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Post by bluemeanies on Apr 7, 2018 5:45:44 GMT -5
WATTS, WATTS WATTS and MORE WATTS...I just don't get it.
Unless you are intending to make your system a lethal weapon what is the purpose.
Certainly not to enjoy music.
HT ? Perhaps if you have a qualified room to handle that amount of power.
Let's not forget the most important reason for not having MEGA WATTS...safety...your ears are unreplaceable.
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Post by Loop 7 on Apr 7, 2018 9:16:19 GMT -5
I guess it's similar to vehicle speed limits. In the US, at least, limits rarely are rarely above 75 but cars capable of over 130 mph are everywhere.
Okay, maybe a dumb point because I don't think anyone has ever been arrested nor heavily fined for owning a powerful amplifier.
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Post by Lsc on Apr 7, 2018 10:00:16 GMT -5
Well it seems that the poll itself clearly states that not many want these 1,200 amps so move on to the next big idea. I am pretty sure Emotiva did not make a lot of money out of the XPR line up of amps. I wonder what kind of support could be mustered for a Full Featured INTEGRATED amp? Maybe 200x2 with DAC, tone controls, Bass management and maybe even a processor loop. 'Split' pre / main, of course as well as HT passthru. Include 1 or 2 sets of Balanced I/O of course. You could 'innovate' with a 3rd (center) channel output as well. Maybe 1200$ to 1500$ max price. Call it 1/2 the price of the Parasound Halo integrated. For THAT matter, if EMO made an FM tuner, I'd consider it. Make it for about 90$ retail, small in form factor and enough 'memory' for all local stations. Integrated amps are usually a low volume item. It’s probably why Emotiva doesn’t make them. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 7, 2018 10:10:21 GMT -5
WATTS, WATTS WATTS and MORE WATTS...I just don't get it. Unless you are intending to make your system a lethal weapon what is the purpose. Certainly not to enjoy music. HT ? Perhaps if you have a qualified room to handle that amount of power. Let's not forget the most important reason for not having MEGA WATTS...safety...your ears are unreplaceable. My XPR-2 600 wpc @ 8 ohms and 1000 wpc @ 4 ohms don’t necessarily play louder than my current sad situation with my Sony receiver that is rated at 140 wpc @ 8 ohms - but it sounds so much better - more realistic, more dynamic and much more clean (I’m sure my old XMC-1 had a lot to do with it as well). I also have a XPR-5 and prior to that I had an XPA-5. The XPR sounds much better but I’m not sure if that’s due to having more power or a better amp design or both. So I’m not sure how much better this 1200 or 1800 watt monoblock amp would be vs. my XPR-2 but my guess is that it won’t be worth $5000 cost less my XPR-2 was resale value. Will it sounds marginally better (at least to me)? I’m sure it will be but I like my old fashioned giant toroidal transformer and the fancy front faceplate. 😊 |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 7, 2018 10:20:02 GMT -5
I guess it's similar to vehicle speed limits. In the US, at least, limits rarely are rarely above 75 but cars capable of over 130 mph are everywhere. Okay, maybe a dumb point because I don't think anyone has ever been arrested nor heavily fined for owning a powerful amplifier. If that should ever happen, it will happen first in California!!! |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 7, 2018 10:24:42 GMT -5
Well it seems that the poll itself clearly states that not many want these 1,200 amps so move on to the next big idea. I am pretty sure Emotiva did not make a lot of money out of the XPR line up of amps. I think one drawback that inhibited sales of the XPR line was the weight. The DR-1 should be more user-friendly and shipping-friendly in terms of weight but on the other hand, "purists" won't accept a powerful amp that doesn't weigh a ton. And on top of that, it's a lot of money. Relatively speaking it may be a bargain compared to Krell or McIntosh but in absolute terms that is still a lot of money to shell out, considering you would have to buy at least two. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 7, 2018 10:50:35 GMT -5
I guess it's similar to vehicle speed limits. In the US, at least, limits rarely are rarely above 75 but cars capable of over 130 mph are everywhere. Okay, maybe a dumb point because I don't think anyone has ever been arrested nor heavily fined for owning a powerful amplifier. That’s been a favorite analogy of mine for years.....plenty of RESERVE power, to keep things cool, unstrained and undamaged. My system just “loafs” with the backup power reserves. The other thing that’s important is striking a balance between the power of the subwoofer amp. (Or amps.) and the main amps. That way, the entire spectrum is covered. Bill |
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Post by pedrocols on Apr 7, 2018 11:05:55 GMT -5
WATTS, WATTS WATTS and MORE WATTS...I just don't get it. Unless you are intending to make your system a lethal weapon what is the purpose. Certainly not to enjoy music. HT ? Perhaps if you have a qualified room to handle that amount of power. Let's not forget the most important reason for not having MEGA WATTS...safety...your ears are unreplaceable. My XPR-2 600 wpc @ 8 ohms and 1000 wpc @ 4 ohms don’t necessarily play louder than my current sad situation with my Sony receiver that is rated at 140 wpc @ 8 ohms - but it sounds so much better - more realistic, more dynamic and much more clean (I’m sure my old XMC-1 had a lot to do with it as well). I also have a XPR-5 and prior to that I had an XPA-5. The XPR sounds much better but I’m not sure if that’s due to having more power or a better amp design or both. So I’m not sure how much better this 1200 or 1800 watt monoblock amp would be vs. my XPR-2 but my guess is that it won’t be worth $5000 cost less my XPR-2 was resale value. Will it sounds marginally better (at least to me)? I’m sure it will be but I like my old fashioned giant toroidal transformer and the fancy front faceplate. 😊 I do not subscribe and neither should you of you Making the argument that your XPR amps sound better because they have more watts. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 7, 2018 12:34:06 GMT -5
After giving it some thought last night I figured out how to make a super high current version of the DR-1 that would drive even the most demanding electrostatic speakers and a super high power DR-1 that would most likely be in the neighborhood of 1800 watts @ 8 and right at 3K into 4ohms. Of course these figures are just on paper at the moment, but I believe them to be very close to reality once it is built. If we use a variant of our switching power supply we can keep the weight down and get better performance and specs then the old traditional torroid transformer. So the estimated weight would be roughly 45#. Both new models would be the exact same physical size as our current XPA amplifiers, so no issues with rack mounting. With the switching power supply you will be able to get full power from either 110 or 220V, so no need for special circuits in your house. A meter is not our of the question here. Dan found the best maker and I have a really trick way to light it up. Just thought I would add a little more detail. Lonnie DO IT!!! Make it a statement piece to go with the RMC--1 or a futre RSP-X. Make it beefy, make it beautiful, make it sexy! Flagship models get the press and the fan boys talking! |
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Post by stiehl11 on Apr 7, 2018 12:39:34 GMT -5
Well it seems that the poll itself clearly states that not many want these 1,200 amps so move on to the next big idea. I am pretty sure Emotiva did not make a lot of money out of the XPR line up of amps. Between shipping costs and the face plates they've said in the past they didn't make any money on them. Less expensive (same as current) face plates and 45lbs shipping and they would make a profit, I'm sure. |
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Post by assy74 on Apr 7, 2018 14:38:32 GMT -5
I still havent forgiven emotiva for discontiniued the xpr-1!!!!!! 1,2 kw....... Wouldn't even wait for a review or anything, I would just buy it  |
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 7, 2018 14:40:58 GMT -5
A product doesn't have to be profitable to help Emo's bottom line.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 7, 2018 14:44:45 GMT -5
WATTS, WATTS WATTS and MORE WATTS...I just don't get it. Unless you are intending to make your system a lethal weapon what is the purpose. Certainly not to enjoy music. HT ? Perhaps if you have a qualified room to handle that amount of power. Let's not forget the most important reason for not having MEGA WATTS...safety...your ears are unreplaceable. My XPR-2 600 wpc @ 8 ohms and 1000 wpc @ 4 ohms don’t necessarily play louder than my current sad situation with my Sony receiver that is rated at 140 wpc @ 8 ohms - but it sounds so much better - more realistic, more dynamic and much more clean (I’m sure my old XMC-1 had a lot to do with it as well). I also have a XPR-5 and prior to that I had an XPA-5. The XPR sounds much better but I’m not sure if that’s due to having more power or a better amp design or both. So I’m not sure how much better this 1200 or 1800 watt monoblock amp would be vs. my XPR-2 but my guess is that it won’t be worth $5000 cost less my XPR-2 was resale value. Will it sounds marginally better (at least to me)? I’m sure it will be but I like my old fashioned giant toroidal transformer and the fancy front faceplate. 😊 Yeah....there’s nothing like headroom to make things “sound” better. Drop the volume a bit and two different amps may be indistinguishable, but crank it more and the difference becomes clear. Bill |
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Post by tchaik on Apr 7, 2018 16:40:11 GMT -5
I guess it's similar to vehicle speed limits. In the US, at least, limits rarely are rarely above 75 but cars capable of over 130 mph are everywhere. Okay, maybe a dumb point because I don't think anyone has ever been arrested nor heavily fined for owning a powerful amplifier. That’s been a favorite analogy of mine for years.....plenty of RESERVE power, to keep things cool, unstrained and undamaged. My system just “loafs” with the backup power reserves. The other thing that’s important is striking a balance between the power of the subwoofer amp. (Or amps.) and the main amps. That way, the entire spectrum is covered. Bill like having a mazarati to take 35mph Sunday drives in the countryside................. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 7, 2018 16:47:16 GMT -5
That’s been a favorite analogy of mine for years.....plenty of RESERVE power, to keep things cool, unstrained and undamaged. My system just “loafs” with the backup power reserves. The other thing that’s important is striking a balance between the power of the subwoofer amp. (Or amps.) and the main amps. That way, the entire spectrum is covered. Bill like having a mazarati to take 35mph Sunday drives in the countryside................. Ha Ha............mann! If anyone would be sitting pretty with Dan's dream amp.....it would be you! (Your Avatar is suitable for framing  ) Bill |
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Post by Loop 7 on Apr 7, 2018 16:56:43 GMT -5
I don't think anyone has ever been arrested nor heavily fined for owning a powerful amplifier. If that should ever happen, it will happen first in California!!! That's not even funny because it could easily happen in this state. |
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Post by Lsc on Apr 7, 2018 17:26:29 GMT -5
I do not subscribe and neither should you of you Making the argument that your XPR amps sound better because they have more watts. I think more watts is certainly a factor but probably not the only factor. I remember my XPA-5 having an annoying hiss when I got close to the speaker and that wasn’t there with the XPR-5. Strictly comparing my XPR-5 vs the XPA-5 I had, the XPR-5 made things sound much more “realistic” and I felt like it was well worth the extra cost. I sure hope this new super amp that Dan and Lonnie are talking about would do justice to speakers such as the Revel Salons etc. |
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Post by monkumonku on Apr 7, 2018 18:04:55 GMT -5
If that should ever happen, it will happen first in California!!! That's not even funny because it could easily happen in this state. Oh, I totally agree. Seriously. |
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