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Post by darien87 on Feb 12, 2019 15:46:49 GMT -5
sgracing, It’s already been pointed out that you re-read the Lounge Rules of Etiquette. If you have questions, then personally PM me, otherwise consider this a warning for your rude, personal and disrespectful posts. You won’t be asked to tone it down again. Thank you for your cooperation. So it appears that other can be rude , I hope they get the same response . Believe me dude, I wasn't near as rude to you as I wanted to be. I bit back quite a few choice words I wanted to say. But that wouldn't get either of us anywhere. So I will go ahead and extend the olive branch and apologize for my earlier comments. It seemed like you were letting your frustration get the better of you and were taking it out on some really good people here. I can totally relate. So anyway I hope that Emotiva comes back with the information you are looking for and it all works out for you. I've certainly been pissed at some of the quirks of the XMC but I stick with it because when it's working it's an awesome piece of gear. Some of us here remember the days of the UMC-1. Just be thankful you missed that party. |
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Post by sgracing on Feb 12, 2019 16:15:58 GMT -5
So it appears that other can be rude , I hope they get the same response . Believe me dude, I wasn't near as rude to you as I wanted to be. I bit back quite a few choice words I wanted to say. But that wouldn't get either of us anywhere. So I will go ahead and extend the olive branch and apologize for my earlier comments. It seemed like you were letting your frustration get the better of you and were taking it out on some really good people here. I can totally relate. So anyway I hope that Emotiva comes back with the information you are looking for and it all works out for you. I've certainly been pissed at some of the quirks of the XMC but I stick with it because when it's working it's an awesome piece of gear. Some of us here remember the days of the UMC-1. Just be thankful you missed that party. I agree fully and offer up my apologies as well, It's not personal just an interest and concern. The interest is in resolving issues and concern is not . I agree the XMC-1 does a great job when fully functional ! Not much out there to compare in the price range. It's so close to a fully functional unit ! I would hate to see Emotiva not continue with a fix. |
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Post by creimes on Feb 12, 2019 18:10:49 GMT -5
Believe me dude, I wasn't near as rude to you as I wanted to be. I bit back quite a few choice words I wanted to say. But that wouldn't get either of us anywhere. So I will go ahead and extend the olive branch and apologize for my earlier comments. It seemed like you were letting your frustration get the better of you and were taking it out on some really good people here. I can totally relate. So anyway I hope that Emotiva comes back with the information you are looking for and it all works out for you. I've certainly been pissed at some of the quirks of the XMC but I stick with it because when it's working it's an awesome piece of gear. Some of us here remember the days of the UMC-1. Just be thankful you missed that party. I agree fully and offer up my apologies as well, It's not personal just an interest and concern. The interest is in resolving issues and concern is not . I agree the XMC-1 does a great job when fully functional ! Not much out there to compare in the price range. It's so close to a fully functional unit ! I would hate to see Emotiva not continue with a fix. No 4K for me and the XMC is working like a dream for HDMI switching and such, only weird thing I have with mine is the OSD sometimes doesn't go away after volume changes, but going up or down a db then it clears ?? Chad |
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Post by deepstage on Feb 12, 2019 21:05:52 GMT -5
I don't have a 4K projector yet and won't until the prices come down on true 4K units and the quality is better. My 1080P blurays still look great so I'm happy.
For that reason I have no interest in the 4K board. But I do want Atmos and NOW! Heck the starfield fiber optic ceiling I built has speakers installed ready for Atmos.
Now if the Atmos board ever does see the light of day I'm not sure I will get it. It seems that adding the 4K board is going to take my perfectly working XMC-1 and turn it into a clunker. And when I say my XMC-1 works perfect I'm not exaggerating. Input switching is rock steady and fairly quick. No pops or noises or clicks. No audio drop outs. No locking up
I've waiting long enough for the Atmos upgrade but I'd hate to buy something else just to get it and have other issues. I do believe there will always be a decent compromise to choosing a processor.
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 13, 2019 0:17:31 GMT -5
My XMC-1 with 4K board works perfectly, I'm not exaggerating. Input switching is rock steady and fairly quick. No pops or noises or clicks. No audio drop outs. No locking up.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by darien87 on Feb 13, 2019 12:08:38 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems.
4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle.
Oh well.
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Post by bootman on Feb 13, 2019 12:41:32 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems. 4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle. Oh well. HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. |
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Post by geebo on Feb 13, 2019 13:03:08 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems. 4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle. Oh well. HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. +1 A bigger improvement than 4K is over 1080. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 13, 2019 14:41:44 GMT -5
HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. +1 A bigger improvement than 4K is over 1080. Yep, HDR is what makes it all worthwhile. Although 4K does make the bigger screen attractive, 2K at my viewing distance on the larger screen is not great. Cheers Gary |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 13, 2019 14:51:06 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems. 4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle. Oh well. HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. Guess I spent $4,500 on a crappy TV then. |
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Post by musicfan on Feb 13, 2019 14:56:07 GMT -5
HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. Guess I spent $4,500 on a crappy TV then. Well price doesn’t always equal quality. But. I’m sure your set is quality. If you can’t notice a difference it’s not properly calibrated or your source material isn’t great. The difference is substantial |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 13, 2019 16:39:08 GMT -5
I do indeed have a calibration scheduled for the TV in a couple of weeks.
I did think that the colors on the Ghost in the Shell 4k looked vibrant and cool. My wife even commented that that movie looked good when we watched it. But I've found that HDR content looks a tad darker than SDR overall. Someone previously linked to a great article that noted how HDR content needs to have a certain amount of headroom to get the large range of light to dark. That explained why HDR can look dark in general on some TV's.
One thing I didn't like was on Blade Runner 2049. In the scene near the end where K is on the bridge at night and he sees the giant advertisement for Joi, the pink and blue colors reflected on his face are VERY bright and saturated on the 4k as opposed to the regular Blu-ray. It just looks weird. The colors are almost fluorescent. Maybe the calibration will fix this.
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Post by musicfan on Feb 13, 2019 17:27:27 GMT -5
I do indeed have a calibration scheduled for the TV in a couple of weeks. I did think that the colors on the Ghost in the Shell 4k looked vibrant and cool. My wife even commented that that movie looked good when we watched it. But I've found that HDR content looks a tad darker than SDR overall. Someone previously linked to a great article that noted how HDR content needs to have a certain amount of headroom to get the large range of light to dark. That explained why HDR can look dark in general on some TV's. One thing I didn't like was on Blade Runner 2049. In the scene near the end where K is on the bridge at night and he sees the giant advertisement for Joi, the pink and blue colors reflected on his face are VERY bright and saturated on the 4k as opposed to the regular Blu-ray. It just looks weird. The colors are almost fluorescent. Maybe the calibration will fix this. You staying that it’s dim tells me your display doesn’t have enough nits to properly show HDr I suggest you get a panny 820 which will do the proper tone mapping. I guarantee it will change your mind. And you’ll be blown away. Sounds like you have seen glimpses.  |
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Post by darien87 on Feb 13, 2019 18:55:20 GMT -5
I do indeed have a calibration scheduled for the TV in a couple of weeks. I did think that the colors on the Ghost in the Shell 4k looked vibrant and cool. My wife even commented that that movie looked good when we watched it. But I've found that HDR content looks a tad darker than SDR overall. Someone previously linked to a great article that noted how HDR content needs to have a certain amount of headroom to get the large range of light to dark. That explained why HDR can look dark in general on some TV's. One thing I didn't like was on Blade Runner 2049. In the scene near the end where K is on the bridge at night and he sees the giant advertisement for Joi, the pink and blue colors reflected on his face are VERY bright and saturated on the 4k as opposed to the regular Blu-ray. It just looks weird. The colors are almost fluorescent. Maybe the calibration will fix this. You staying that it’s dim tells me your display doesn’t have enough nits to properly show HDr I suggest you get a panny 820 which will do the proper tone mapping. I guarantee it will change your mind. And you’ll be blown away. Sounds like you have seen glimpses. Huh? Does Panasonic even sell TV's in the US anymore? I don't see any Panasonic TV's listed on Best Buy. When I do a Google search on the Panasonic 820 it brings up a BD player. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Feb 13, 2019 19:32:23 GMT -5
But I've found that HDR content looks a tad darker than SDR overall. Someone previously linked to a great article that noted how HDR content needs to have a certain amount of headroom to get the large range of light to dark. That explained why HDR can look dark in general on some TV's. Yep, in order the achieve the HDR sparkly bits that make things like waterscape shots look so cool and give that sheen to metallics, there has to be headroom (nits) available. If the TV doesn't have the headroom to show the sparkly bits then they simply don't sparkle. The work around is for the TV to turn down the overall brightness which then leaves the necessary headroom for when it needs to display the brighter sparkly bits. The rule of thumb for HDR was 1,000 nits, but movie studios seem to be finding ways to include more and more brighter sparkly bits and darker duller scenes. Which are great to show off our brand new TV's but in my experience 1,000 nits isn't enough. I live in a bright country plus we have lots of natural light in the house, as result my next TV will have to have at least 1,500 if not 2,000 nits if I want to watch any HDR movies during the daytime. Which means no OLEDs for me, currently only the Samsung QLED's have that sort of brightness. Cheers Gary |
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Post by davidl81 on Feb 13, 2019 19:42:09 GMT -5
HDR is a huge upgrade and very well worth it on a good display. Guess I spent $4,500 on a crappy TV then. I would say that in that last 15 years the biggest jump has been from 480 to 1080 TVs. That was by far the most dramatic jump in PQ. Even now with 4K TVs almost everything you watch on “regular tv” is at best 1080p and most likely 720p. That being said a 4K HDR movie is stunning, but yeah even a perfect 4K TV does not have that dramatic difference that you had when you went from a 480i unit to 1080. |
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 13, 2019 19:42:35 GMT -5
When I do a Google search on the Panasonic 820 it brings up a BD player. That's the one - here's a review: www.avforums.com/review/panasonic-dp-ub820-review.15619HDR isn't implemented cleanly or correctly amongst all source material as it's really in its infancy, so this player does its own HDR mapping. Think of it like calibrating your tv; this player calibrates the disk. It, and its more expensive sibling, are very well received for their ability to show what HDR is capable of. I would echo Music's recommendation and you get one, research how to make it sing for your TV, and give it a go. It will be worth the time and $$. |
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Post by adaboy on Feb 14, 2019 4:17:51 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems. 4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle. Oh well. I work in the industry and I have yet to have been blown away by 4k vs 1080p. I completely agree with you regarding 480i to 1080p. 4k was another money grab solution in search of a problem. 4k is technically better but it's just not night and day. What I've found is that there are videophiles that can and do perceive the visual advantages, just like audiophiles discern audible differences. I fall into the latter crowd. So I sell what the client wants and ooh and ahh along with them. As long as they are happy I'm happy. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 14, 2019 5:18:37 GMT -5
You lucky dudes and your perfectly functioning systems. 4k has been a complete clusterfuck for me. Kinda wish I had just stayed in my blissful 1080p world. Never had any of these issues before making the "upgrade". The improved picture quality isn't even that much of a difference. Sure it's noticeable but it isn't night and day like going from 480 to 1080 was. Not even really sure it's worth all the hassle. Oh well. I work in the industry and I have yet to have been blown away by 4k vs 1080p. I completely agree with you regarding 480i to 1080p. 4k was another money grab solution in search of a problem. 4k is technically better but it's just not night and day. What I've found is that there are videophiles that can and do perceive the visual advantages, just like audiophiles discern audible differences. I fall into the latter crowd. So I sell what the client wants and ooh and ahh along with them. As long as they are happy I'm happy. Im the opposite. Love 4k and can easily see the difference, when 4k is done well. |
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Post by adaboy on Feb 14, 2019 9:32:19 GMT -5
I work in the industry and I have yet to have been blown away by 4k vs 1080p. I completely agree with you regarding 480i to 1080p. 4k was another money grab solution in search of a problem. 4k is technically better but it's just not night and day. What I've found is that there are videophiles that can and do perceive the visual advantages, just like audiophiles discern audible differences. I fall into the latter crowd. So I sell what the client wants and ooh and ahh along with them. As long as they are happy I'm happy. Im the opposite. Love 4k and can easily see the difference, when 4k is done well. You sir are a Videophile. 😊 I can see it too just saying it isn't that spectacular over 1080p bluray. I actually watch movies for the audio experience, my wife is the opposite. |
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