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Post by enricoclaudio on Mar 11, 2019 15:49:24 GMT -5
I'm really really looking forward to the ATMOS / DTS:X upgrade. I was not interested on ATMOS until this past weekend when I put 4 x ATMOS speakers in my bedroom with a Marantz SR6013 and it sounds really cool. Now I feel that I have better sound in my bedroom than in my expensive living room setup. If by Axpona we don't get any update, then I may be pulling the trigger on a Marantz AV7705 and run two processors in my system.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Mar 16, 2019 10:56:44 GMT -5
Got an email yesterday from Lonnie and he asked me to hold on my Denon/Marantz purchase until AXPONA as they will be announcing the ATMOS upgrade availability for the XMC-1 during the show. Now the big questions are: how long after the show would it be available and how long would be until we get a reliable version with fully working Dirac Live? My bet? more than year just using the V3 HDMI board update progress as a reference....
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Post by goozoo on Mar 16, 2019 11:31:49 GMT -5
Got an email yesterday from Lonnie and he asked me to hold on my Denon/Marantz purchase until AXPONA as they will be announcing the ATMOS upgrade availability for the XMC-1 during the show. Now the big questions are: how long after the show would it be available and how long would be until we get a reliable version with fully working Dirac Live? My bet? more than year just using the V3 HDMI board update progress as a reference.... I think given the fact that they had announced DIRAC to be available by the end of the first quarter and here we are, your predictions are probably not too far off base. The V3 board has continued to plague the company from its inception and still giving problems. Add to that now the issues they still continue to have with the RMC-1 and that translates into a very long delay. Of course this is all conjecture but personally I don’t think they can afford to have another mess on their hands to deal with until the RMC-1 issues are fully resolved and DIRAC implemented. That being said, I wish I still had my XMC-1 (even without ATMOS) as it would still be working as opposed to my now RMC-1 that sits silently waiting for the next update to function properly. |
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Post by fritz on Mar 16, 2019 11:47:16 GMT -5
I feel bad for you really!
And how much is everyone paying for the RMC-1?
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 17, 2019 10:05:39 GMT -5
Got an email yesterday from Lonnie and he asked me to hold on my Denon/Marantz purchase until AXPONA as they will be announcing the ATMOS upgrade availability for the XMC-1 during the show. Now the big questions are: how long after the show would it be available and how long would be until we get a reliable version with fully working Dirac Live? My bet? more than year just using the V3 HDMI board update progress as a reference.... I’m going to pass on the ATMOS board for now as I won’t be doing ceiling speakers for at least three to five years probably in a new house. By that time I will most likely look at a new pre-pro. Just a comment on the V3 board. All is working for me except for occasionally on turn on the video or audio will not come on without a hard reboot. Once that is fixed via firmware update, I’m happy. |
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Post by 405x5 on Mar 17, 2019 14:59:55 GMT -5
Got an email yesterday from Lonnie and he asked me to hold on my Denon/Marantz purchase until AXPONA as they will be announcing the ATMOS upgrade availability for the XMC-1 during the show. Now the big questions are: how long after the show would it be available and how long would be until we get a reliable version with fully working Dirac Live? My bet? more than year just using the V3 HDMI board update progress as a reference.... “I’m going to pass on the ATMOS board for now as I won’t be doing ceiling speakers for at least three to five years probably in a new house. By that time I will most likely look at a new pre-pro.” .....And I suspect by then, your future processor will be sans object based as these new formats bomb 💣 in the market place. Too much bother in the home for the average user and the statistics bear that out. Bill |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Mar 18, 2019 10:14:51 GMT -5
I have a question regarding the XMC-1 7.1 Multichannel analog input. According to the user manual, the 7.1 Multichannel analog input bypass all the processing but when I go to that input, it allows me to select between Preset 1, Preset 2 and Dirac. My question would be: Does bass management work with the 7.1 Multichannel analog input? I ask this because I want to feed my Denon X6500H pre outs into the 7.1 Multichannel analog inputs and run two processors. The XMC-1 for music and the Denon for movies setup for ATMOS. I got this idea from an AVS Forum member which is doing the same thing with great results but instead of a Denon X6500H he is using an AVM60 and instead of an Emotiva XMC-1, he is using a Classe SSP-800. Here is the diagram that explains the overflow.  This is what he did to properly match levels, which makes total sense: "The Anthem had already been set up to 75 dB SPL for each speaker when directly connected to the amps. After I added the "pass through" processor, I used its gain trims and master volume to achieve the same 75 dB SPL with the same noise source. I told the SSP to use that volume setting as default when it powers up. Denon/Marantz has a dandy "Quick Select" feature that memorizes the input and volume setting, which would work nicely. Not sure what the Emotiva has along these lines, but if nothing else you can set it to some particular volume setting."
If this approach works, I won't be doing the XMC-1 ATMOS upgrade as I want to keep my XMC-1 for music with Dolby PLIIx Music, which would be gone for good after the ATMOS upgrade. I don't like Audyssey for music but for movies, I can live with it. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 18, 2019 10:35:08 GMT -5
No; the 7.1 analog inputs DO NOT have bass management. The 7.1 channel analog inputs are never converted into the digital domain - and so do not have any bass management or other processing.
However, the channel LEVEL TRIMS for each preset are implemented in the analog domain, and they are still applied to those inputs when a given preset is selected. (The level trims, like the volume control, are implemented in the analog domain, by the analog-ladder-network volume control circuitry.)
I have a question regarding the XMC-1 7.1 Multichannel analog input. According to the user manual, the 7.1 Multichannel analog input bypass all the processing but when I go to that input, it allows me to select between Preset 1, Preset 2 and Dirac. My question would be: Does bass management work with the 7.1 Multichannel analog input? I ask this because I want to feed my Denon X6500H pre outs into the 7.1 Multichannel analog inputs and run two processors. The XMC-1 for music and the Denon for movies setup for ATMOS. I got this idea from an AVS Forum member which is doing the same thing with great results but instead of a Denon X6500H he is using an AVM60 and instead of an Emotiva XMC-1, he is using a Classe SSP-800. Here is the diagram that explains the overflow. This is what he did to properly match levels, which makes total sense: "The Anthem had already been set up to 75 dB SPL for each speaker when directly connected to the amps. After I added the "pass through" processor, I used its gain trims and master volume to achieve the same 75 dB SPL with the same noise source. I told the SSP to use that volume setting as default when it powers up. Denon/Marantz has a dandy "Quick Select" feature that memorizes the input and volume setting, which would work nicely. Not sure what the Emotiva has along these lines, but if nothing else you can set it to some particular volume setting."
If this approach works, I won't be doing the XMC-1 ATMOS upgrade as I want to keep my XMC-1 for music with Dolby PLIIx Music, which would be gone for good after the ATMOS upgrade. I don't like Audyssey for music but for movies, I can live with it. |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Mar 18, 2019 10:43:08 GMT -5
No; the 7.1 analog inputs DO NOT have bass management. The 7.1 channel analog inputs are never converted into the digital domain - and so do not have any bass management or other processing.
However, the channel LEVEL TRIMS for each preset are implemented in the analog domain, and they are still applied to those inputs when a given preset is selected. (The level trims, like the volume control, are implemented in the analog domain, by the analog-ladder-network volume control circuitry.)
I have a question regarding the XMC-1 7.1 Multichannel analog input. According to the user manual, the 7.1 Multichannel analog input bypass all the processing but when I go to that input, it allows me to select between Preset 1, Preset 2 and Dirac. My question would be: Does bass management work with the 7.1 Multichannel analog input? I ask this because I want to feed my Denon X6500H pre outs into the 7.1 Multichannel analog inputs and run two processors. The XMC-1 for music and the Denon for movies setup for ATMOS. I got this idea from an AVS Forum member which is doing the same thing with great results but instead of a Denon X6500H he is using an AVM60 and instead of an Emotiva XMC-1, he is using a Classe SSP-800. Here is the diagram that explains the overflow. This is what he did to properly match levels, which makes total sense: "The Anthem had already been set up to 75 dB SPL for each speaker when directly connected to the amps. After I added the "pass through" processor, I used its gain trims and master volume to achieve the same 75 dB SPL with the same noise source. I told the SSP to use that volume setting as default when it powers up. Denon/Marantz has a dandy "Quick Select" feature that memorizes the input and volume setting, which would work nicely. Not sure what the Emotiva has along these lines, but if nothing else you can set it to some particular volume setting."
If this approach works, I won't be doing the XMC-1 ATMOS upgrade as I want to keep my XMC-1 for music with Dolby PLIIx Music, which would be gone for good after the ATMOS upgrade. I don't like Audyssey for music but for movies, I can live with it. Keith, so if I select Preset 1, Preset 2 or Dirac preset for 7.1 Multichannel analog input, only the level trims from those presets would work, right? PEQ, speaker type, crossover and distance are bypassed, correct? If yes, then my approach would totally work  |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 18, 2019 11:58:51 GMT -5
Right.  No; the 7.1 analog inputs DO NOT have bass management. The 7.1 channel analog inputs are never converted into the digital domain - and so do not have any bass management or other processing. However, the channel LEVEL TRIMS for each preset are implemented in the analog domain, and they are still applied to those inputs when a given preset is selected. (The level trims, like the volume control, are implemented in the analog domain, by the analog-ladder-network volume control circuitry.)
Keith, so if I select Preset 1, Preset 2 or Dirac preset for 7.1 Multichannel analog input, only the level trims from those presets would work, right? PEQ, speaker type, crossover and distance are bypassed, correct? If yes, then my approach would totally work |
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Post by enricoclaudio on Mar 18, 2019 13:46:42 GMT -5
Right. Keith, so if I select Preset 1, Preset 2 or Dirac preset for 7.1 Multichannel analog input, only the level trims from those presets would work, right? PEQ, speaker type, crossover and distance are bypassed, correct? If yes, then my approach would totally work Thanks Keith, that is good news |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 18, 2019 14:00:40 GMT -5
Currently I have a work-around for my ARC failure, and have verified that my warranty is until August of this year. Therefore, since : I intend to go the ATMOS route, I have not yet done the V3 board upgrade, and will have to send my unit in for the upgrade, I will wait until late June of this year to see if the ATMOS upgrade is out, so I can send the unit in just once.
It's a plan.
Steve
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Post by Gary Cook on Mar 18, 2019 14:56:14 GMT -5
“I’m going to pass on the ATMOS board for now as I won’t be doing ceiling speakers for at least three to five years probably in a new house. By that time I will most likely look at a new pre-pro.” .....And I suspect by then, your future processor will be sans object based as these new formats bomb 💣 in the market place. Too much bother in the home for the average user and the statistics bear that out. Bill If we rely on statistics then anything more than 5.1 (the most popular multichannel format by far) would have bombed a decade ago. The demand for Atmos/DTS-X/Auro is driven by push, it’s the suppliers that are driving it. That’s content (movie studios) and equipment manufacturers, so every supplier in the chain is on board. As such it’s doesn’t matter what we the consumers want, in this case pull demand is almost irrelevant. We are going to get it whether we want it or not. Much like 4K TV’s, that’s all the suppliers are making so that’s what we have to buy. We can still watch HD content same as we can still listen in 5.1, we don’t have to buy into the format but the equipment we buy has it regardless. Cheers Gary |
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Post by cjcody on Mar 29, 2019 22:01:02 GMT -5
I'm confused. So it'll be announced at Axpona? The fact that it exists in some state will be announced? The actual release date and availability will be announced? This is in my opinion just another kick the can down the road. I mean we could wait 10 more weeks to find out it's due sometime 2nd quarter or by the end of the year (2019) maybe? I believe Dan said he will be announcing the release at axpona and then right after it will be up for sale on there website. My guess is by May hopefully we will be able to buy and upgrade to atmos. |
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Post by adaboy on Apr 14, 2019 3:25:49 GMT -5
i have a personal email fron Dan Laufman and he said "We are actively working on the new Atmos enabled DSP module for the XMC-1. Now that the DSP coding for the RMC-1 is complete it allows us to finish work on this upgrade option for the XMC-1. Please know that we are working very hard to complete this project for you and the many thousands of XMC-1 owners out there. We'll be announcing formal release dates for this upgrade in the New Year. Please know that it will be sooner than later. Thanks for your patience and understanding. " Regards, Dan Dan Laufman President this email was sent to me back in December 4th Well so much for that 🤷♂️ |
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Post by doc1963 on Apr 14, 2019 3:50:03 GMT -5
Posted HERE by Hair Nick in the Axpona 2019 thread... “ XMC-2 announcement:
The existing upgrade Atmos board to the XMC-1 that was previously announced isn't happening. Having two separate OS paths with the different chips were going to be far too expensive and time consuming for the engineering team. Instead, we will offer an upgrade path to a brand new XMC-2 unit with a trade in program.
For any person who owns an XMC-1 with the V3 board, you can upgrade to a brand new XMC-2 for $650. If you have an XMC-1 without the V3 board, it will be $1,050 to upgrade.
Basically getting a brand new unit for the price of what the Atmos board upgrade was going to be.
We will have an official announcement hitting the site soon but wanted to give you the heads up first.” In the same thread, Nick also mentions that the XMC-2 has been updated to support 16 channels. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 14, 2019 8:29:59 GMT -5
Posted HERE by Hair Nick in the Axpona 2019 thread... “ XMC-2 announcement:
The existing upgrade Atmos board to the XMC-1 that was previously announced isn't happening. Having two separate OS paths with the different chips were going to be far too expensive and time consuming for the engineering team. Instead, we will offer an upgrade path to a brand new XMC-2 unit with a trade in program.
For any person who owns an XMC-1 with the V3 board, you can upgrade to a brand new XMC-2 for $650. If you have an XMC-1 without the V3 board, it will be $1,050 to upgrade.
Basically getting a brand new unit for the price of what the Atmos board upgrade was going to be.
We will have an official announcement hitting the site soon but wanted to give you the heads up first.” In the same thread, Nick also mentions that the XMC-2 has been updated to support 16 channels. I would go for that if it really happens. Bill |
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Post by krauley on Apr 14, 2019 8:31:45 GMT -5
Dang it I wasn't interested in the atmos board upgrade but this seriously interests me. Can someone link me to the XMX-2 unit prototype, pics or any info please. Im not sure ive seen anything on it aside from hearing about it on these forums.
nvm i took a look around hahaha
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Post by ÈlTwo on Apr 14, 2019 9:14:41 GMT -5
This is a no-brainer for me, I'm in.
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Post by enricoclaudio on Apr 14, 2019 11:41:56 GMT -5
I wasn’t going to do the ATMOS upgrade but for $650 I’m totally in. I will keep my dual processor setup until the XMC-2 is free of bugs, though. My question would be, is this going to be a limited time trade in offer or could the trade in/upgrade take place after all the upcoming bugs are sorted out? My XMC-1 is working fine so trading it in for glitchy unit with no Dirac would be a deal breaker for me.
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