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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 2, 2019 17:59:08 GMT -5
I had no clue that veneer adds multi-thousands to a pair of speakers. My REL sub is that glossy piano black and I actually like the look. Everyone, even the esteemed Mr. Levkof, is expected to toss an occasional bit of hyperbole. And it's good that we all call each other out when that happens. Keeps us honest... Boom |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 2, 2019 18:15:17 GMT -5
The truth is that wood veneer CAN add thousands to the cost of a speaker. It all depends on the speaker, and if the company is set up with an enclosure manufacturer that offers veneer or not. There's the rub, by the way: the supplier's capabilities. If Emotiva wanted to offer wood veneer finishes they would have to contract with a supplier who offerd them.
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 2, 2019 18:15:57 GMT -5
I typically don't dust my speakers as they are covered with custom made covers when not in use. I even cover my electronics with microfiber towels when not in use. Inexpensive and effective. ......and I thought was anal-retentive.  |
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Post by novisnick on Mar 2, 2019 18:16:40 GMT -5
I typically don't dust my speakers as they are covered with custom made covers when not in use. I even cover my electronics with microfiber towels when not in use. Inexpensive and effective. ......and I thought was anal-retentive. You are, same as me! LOL |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 2, 2019 18:21:00 GMT -5
Boomzilla should bite the bullet and buy some new Revels, I plan to do just this after my next two major home improvement DIY projects are finished. Just curious David, are you referring to a specific Revel speaker model? |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 2, 2019 18:33:10 GMT -5
Boomzilla should bite the bullet and buy some new Revels, I plan to do just this after my next two major home improvement DIY projects are finished. Just curious David, are you referring to a specific Revel speaker model? No, I just think the general sound signature of their line would meet the stated requirements, and they offer veneer finishes. Probably something like the Performa F208 for Boomzilla. A friend of mine has the F228 beryllium tweeter model and it is excellent. And of course the expensive Salons are near-world class. |
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Post by Cogito on Mar 2, 2019 19:18:09 GMT -5
I typically don't dust my speakers as they are covered with custom made covers when not in use. I even cover my electronics with microfiber towels when not in use. Inexpensive and effective. ......and I thought was anal-retentive. Yeah, I can get a little "compulsive". On the positive side, my gear basically looks new for a long time. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 2, 2019 19:32:32 GMT -5
I plan to do just this after my next two major home improvement DIY projects are finished. Just curious David, are you referring to a specific Revel speaker model? No, I just think the general sound signature of their line would meet the stated requirements, and they offer veneer finishes. Probably something like the Performa F208 for Boomzilla. A friend of mine has the F228 beryllium tweeter model and it is excellent. And of course the expensive Salons are near-world class. The F208's sound have drawn me in, and yes the Salon's are out of this world, but for me not near enough for me to spend that extra premium. |
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Post by Cogito on Mar 2, 2019 23:24:51 GMT -5
The truth is that wood veneer CAN add thousands to the cost of a speaker. It all depends on the speaker, and if the company is set up with an enclosure manufacturer that offers veneer or not. There's the rub, by the way: the supplier's capabilities. If Emotiva wanted to offer wood veneer finishes they would have to contract with a supplier who offerd them. I suspect that Emotiva's usage of black vinyl laminates is simply economical reasons. It still would be a nice option to have even as a premium offering. That premium would not be thousands of dollars. HTD for example, offers an attractive MACASSAR EBONY wood veneer option on their Level 3 towers for an extra $80.00 a pair over the standard mid-gloss lacquer. For their Level 3 Bookshelf system, it's just a $30.00 premium. VERY reasonable.  |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 3, 2019 2:37:35 GMT -5
And just an observation, apropos of nothing - See the spikes in the photo above - the ones that rest on little bitty discs? I just HATE those things with a burning passion!
To get the spikes centered on the disc, you have to hold the speaker corner up with one hand while moving the tiny little disc with your other hand. Then you have to lower the speaker without disturbing any of the OTHER corners' discs. Then, if you want to move the speaker, you have to hope that the discs slide with the speaker - otherwise the unprotected spikes scratch your wood floors! And if you have an older house (as I do), the floors are never quite even. That means that discs are always coming off every time the speaker is moved.
And of course, the speaker manufacturer doesn't offer rubber feet for their speakers - Oh no - the darned things have to be "properly anchored" to sound right. You can (sometimes) find screw-in rubber feet to replace the spikes, but sometimes (certainly more than once, in my experience) the threading is like no standard known to man, and you can't.
So one of my instant "don't EVER buy this speaker" cues is those spike-and-disc feet. Rant concluded, thanks.
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Post by DYohn on Mar 3, 2019 10:07:13 GMT -5
No veneer will help those HTD speakers sound any better...
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Post by SteveH on Mar 3, 2019 10:42:19 GMT -5
This plus... An option for beautiful piano black. And no more batman like angles! Straight lines or curves. Please please please, consult or take suggestions from lounge members on the looks before production. Maybe even polls on a few design choices. I do agree with the piano black finish, but I surely do like the wing-shaped angles! Attachment Deleted |
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Post by adaboy on Mar 3, 2019 12:11:51 GMT -5
I do agree with the piano black finish, but I surely do like the wing-shaped angles! View Attachment This is fine, more art than the current lineup of T1 and T2 angles. |
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 3, 2019 12:55:29 GMT -5
And just an observation, apropos of nothing - See the spikes in the photo above - the ones that rest on little bitty discs? I just HATE those things with a burning passion! To get the spikes centered on the disc, you have to hold the speaker corner up with one hand while moving the tiny little disc with your other hand. Then you have to lower the speaker without disturbing any of the OTHER corners' discs. Then, if you want to move the speaker, you have to hope that the discs slide with the speaker - otherwise the unprotected spikes scratch your wood floors! And if you have an older house (as I do), the floors are never quite even. That means that discs are always coming off every time the speaker is moved. And of course, the speaker manufacturer doesn't offer rubber feet for their speakers - Oh no - the darned things have to be "properly anchored" to sound right. You can (sometimes) find screw-in rubber feet to replace the spikes, but sometimes (certainly more than once, in my experience) the threading is like no standard known to man, and you can't. So one of my instant "don't EVER buy this speaker" cues is those spike-and-disc feet. Rant concluded, thanks. Boomzilla Spikes are for carpeted floors. If a speaker didn't come supplied with (or with an option for) spikes AND rubber or felt feet, THEN I would take issue. You can always contact the supplier (or consult an online list like the one at Herbies) to get the thread size before purchasing. |
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 3, 2019 12:58:51 GMT -5
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Post by DYohn on Mar 3, 2019 13:52:53 GMT -5
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 3, 2019 16:04:54 GMT -5
I understand all that. Some of its worthy, and some of its total snake oil. I'm not going to have a "this wire sounds better" like discussion about it. Some people think speaker cable lifters do wonders for their sound too. Right. But one fact is, where there is no snake oil or physics discussions required, is that spikes do absolutley 100% help on carpet. Without spikes, todays modern tall skinny floorstanding speakers will not sit solid on carpet with padding underneath. Straight on carpet will allow them to wobble, vibrate and resonate more. Spikes allow them to sit solid on the floor beneath. That makes them safer in homes with kids, and it locks them in to help to the things your article describes. They may make a difference on other flooring surfaces, but they make more/most difference on carpet. |
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Post by DYohn on Mar 3, 2019 16:22:26 GMT -5
No need to get your panties in a twist. If you read the article it talks about the type of spikes used for carpet. The ones that sit on discs are for decoupling. The ones designed for carpet are for coupling. Two different uses. Relax.
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Post by Bonzo on Mar 3, 2019 16:37:09 GMT -5
No need to get your panties in a twist. If you read the article it talks about the type of spikes used for carpet. The ones that sit on discs are for decoupling. The ones designed for carpet are for coupling. Two different uses. Relax. I'm fine. Sorry if my poor typing skills made it sound like I'm upset. I'm not. I read the article. I have read many such articles on the subject over the years. Like I said, some things about coupling and decoupling make sense, but others, lean towards snake oil. For example, decoupling a turntable makes perfect sense, but decoupling a solid state processor, not so much. Cable lifters are a complete joke, snake oil. As for speakers, I think it depends. In many cases Id say it's something worth trial and error, because one isn't automatically better than the other. All just my opinion of course. But spikes do factually help stabilize speakers on carpet. Hence why I say "spikes are for carpet." |
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Post by Boomzilla on Mar 3, 2019 16:46:31 GMT -5
I have both SAE and metric thread sizers in both male and female versions. What I'm telling you is: 1. Some of the spikes I've received are NEITHER metric or SAE 2. Some (and an increasing number of) manufacturers provide spikes ONLY (along with the tiny metal plates intended to protect hard floors. In other words, what the manufacturer is really telling the customer is "use our speakers in a carpeted room - and if you don't then your floors are your own problem." Now on a $350 pair of tower speakers, I can understand why the manufacturer wouldn't include both soft feet and spikes - every penny COUNTS! But I've had $10,000 per pair speakers through here recently that used the "spike-and-coin" method for hard floors. And that issue alone would prevent me from ever actually buying those speakers. YMMV Boom |
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