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Post by hsamwel on Mar 18, 2023 13:35:24 GMT -5
Haha.. Is it obvious?! So I can’t complain about features that doesn’t work good without being happy and be recommended to sell it? I have been pretty happy with my RMC-1.. But I’m not happy how Emotiva have handled the progress of these units. Pretty much nothing has happend in almost 5 years. Except them adding Dirac. My unit have almost always worked fine for everything that it can do. I have actually had more issues with 3.1 and 3.1.2 beta than ever before. Snaps from speakers, robotic sound from streaming apps and loosing HDMI sync. But mostly OK. Have had robotic sound 3-4 times total before. Now I have that about the same every week. Complain all you want, nobody is stopping you as this is quite obvious with your posts. If your “unit almost always worked fine for everything that it can do”, pre v3.1, then why not revert back to those firmwares pre v3.1 ? Btw.. You are aware we can’t go back? Some things are actually better with +3.1. It’s not all bad. Just that while some things are better others are not.. But this was not my topic really.. The UI is what I have been talking about has pretty much always been the same. I have my opinion on this and this where I’m not so happy with Emotiva. Generally I’m happy with the sound quality and the quality of the unit. Btw the RMC-1 costs about $6500-7000 here, so buying another with the same features/SQ is something I rather spare my wallet from. Emotiva have been among the cheapest in this price group/quality category. Nothing is cheap in Sweden! |
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Post by foggy1956 on Mar 18, 2023 13:36:07 GMT -5
I'm one that would choose not to afford a multi thousand dollar processor every few years but would hope that the manufacturer could provide what was promised originally. Exactly the reasoning behind my original post. Why not buy a processor that you won’t have to afford every few years and be happy with said purchase. I did and I’m quite happy with it. Not every purchase that you make in life will be the right choice for you(I’ve learned this countless times over) so learn from your past and move in a direction that will hopefully get you where you want to be. Didn't mean to muddy the waters, I'm pleased with mine. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 18, 2023 13:59:30 GMT -5
Wow, just trying to help. Please accept my apology and I promise not to try again. Didn’t mean it to come out as harsh. PLEASE accept MY apology! Just that I have had this discussion before. Ended up watching a video of a member moving around the menus with the same lag as me, at the same time saying he didn’t have any lag.. I have seen many come out and just ”protect” Emotiva just for the sake of it. IMO if you can’t tell the truth about a product then there sure is a REAL problem. The menu speed have been pretty much the same since they found the bandwidth issue, I believe it was 1.10 or something. Still slow.. It’s an issue I really hope they fix in gen4. The whole GUI needs a big overhaul with both speed, color and graphics. OSD help that pretty much open up pages from the manual for new users… Web settings will sure be nice. I hope these will look the part with nice design that doesn’t look like my 10 year old kid just put it together. No processor is perfect. Emotiva has great hardware, not so much the software. Others are the other way round. I know I want to have great hardware. Because everything can only become better. The other way around is harder. It’s too bad Emotiva didn’t accelerate the software progress more. They could have been the best out there instead of all these issues year after year for many. I apparently don't consider the menu redraws to be all that slow. It's not like I can read each line as it's redrawn. My Samsung TV has instant redraws but then there is often a lag between when I push a button and when that new menu pops up. Something else the Samsung does is to move a cursor up or down in a list of items so only the cursor needs to be redrawn. The Emotiva keeps the cursor centered which means all items need to be redrawn. So which is better? That's for the user to decide but the Samsung may give the impression of faster menu response. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 18, 2023 15:59:15 GMT -5
Complain all you want, nobody is stopping you as this is quite obvious with your posts. If your “unit almost always worked fine for everything that it can do”, pre v3.1, then why not revert back to those firmwares pre v3.1 ? Btw.. You are aware we can’t go back? Some things are actually better with +3.1. It’s not all bad. Just that while some things are better others are not.. But this was not my topic really.. The UI is what I have been talking about has pretty much always been the same. I have my opinion on this and this where I’m not so happy with Emotiva. Generally I’m happy with the sound quality and the quality of the unit. Btw the RMC-1 costs about $6500-7000 here, so buying another with the same features/SQ is something I rather spare my wallet from. Emotiva have been among the cheapest in this price group/quality category. Nothing is cheap in Sweden! I'm pretty sure I have read a few members have rolled back successfully but that Emotiva support does not recommend this as it may brick your unit.....btw......nothing in the US is cheap either!!!  |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 19, 2023 10:18:30 GMT -5
Didn’t mean it to come out as harsh. PLEASE accept MY apology! Just that I have had this discussion before. Ended up watching a video of a member moving around the menus with the same lag as me, at the same time saying he didn’t have any lag.. I have seen many come out and just ”protect” Emotiva just for the sake of it. IMO if you can’t tell the truth about a product then there sure is a REAL problem. The menu speed have been pretty much the same since they found the bandwidth issue, I believe it was 1.10 or something. Still slow.. It’s an issue I really hope they fix in gen4. The whole GUI needs a big overhaul with both speed, color and graphics. OSD help that pretty much open up pages from the manual for new users… Web settings will sure be nice. I hope these will look the part with nice design that doesn’t look like my 10 year old kid just put it together. No processor is perfect. Emotiva has great hardware, not so much the software. Others are the other way round. I know I want to have great hardware. Because everything can only become better. The other way around is harder. It’s too bad Emotiva didn’t accelerate the software progress more. They could have been the best out there instead of all these issues year after year for many. I apparently don't consider the menu redraws to be all that slow. It's not like I can read each line as it's redrawn. My Samsung TV has instant redraws but then there is often a lag between when I push a button and when that new menu pops up. Something else the Samsung does is to move a cursor up or down in a list of items so only the cursor needs to be redrawn. The Emotiva keeps the cursor centered which means all items need to be redrawn. So which is better? That's for the user to decide but the Samsung may give the impression of faster menu response. That’s fine! That was what I meant with expectation. I’m expecting instant redraws when you move around menus that are simple text menus. The user experience would be sooo much better if everything just moved along speedy. Btw Samsung is not the reference I would compare with when having a good UI. For about 4 years I have been waiting for the status/info screen to get a ”stay on screen” function also. What’s the point of having it go away after 3 seconds if I press info? I asked about this 4 years ago, they said they would look into it. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 19, 2023 10:54:34 GMT -5
I apparently don't consider the menu redraws to be all that slow. It's not like I can read each line as it's redrawn. My Samsung TV has instant redraws but then there is often a lag between when I push a button and when that new menu pops up. Something else the Samsung does is to move a cursor up or down in a list of items so only the cursor needs to be redrawn. The Emotiva keeps the cursor centered which means all items need to be redrawn. So which is better? That's for the user to decide but the Samsung may give the impression of faster menu response. That’s fine! That was what I meant with expectation. I’m expecting instant redraws when you move around menus that are simple text menus. The user experience would be sooo much better if everything just moved along speedy. Btw Samsung is not the reference I would compare to when having a good UI. For about 4 years I have been waiting for the status/info screen to get a ”stay on screen” function also. What’s the point of having it go away after 3 seconds if I press info? I asked about this 4 years ago, they said they would look into it. My mistake, I meant to say my LG OLED. I used to have a Samsung. Who does have a UI in your opinion? I would also like the info screen to stay a bit longer when I use it. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 19, 2023 11:12:46 GMT -5
That’s fine! That was what I meant with expectation. I’m expecting instant redraws when you move around menus that are simple text menus. The user experience would be sooo much better if everything just moved along speedy. Btw Samsung is not the reference I would compare to when having a good UI. For about 4 years I have been waiting for the status/info screen to get a ”stay on screen” function also. What’s the point of having it go away after 3 seconds if I press info? I asked about this 4 years ago, they said they would look into it. My mistake, I meant to say my LG OLED. I used to have a Samsung. Who does have a UI in your opinion? I would also like the info screen to stay a bit longer when I use it. The OPPO players have a great settings menu. Easy to read fonts, high resolution, smooth with just the right amount of lag between presses. Most importantly, behaves the same all the time. Also all menu options are placed in a logical menu locations. No device can do wrong copying the look and feel of OPPO blurays. AppleTV actually have good settings also. Not talking about features now, just the look and feel. Android TV devices like Shield are just the oposit, not really laggy but over complicated menus that have you go too many steps deep to get to everything and some things are a little strangely placed. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 19, 2023 11:34:03 GMT -5
My mistake, I meant to say my LG OLED. I used to have a Samsung. Who does have a UI in your opinion? I would also like the info screen to stay a bit longer when I use it. The OPPO players have a great settings menu. Easy to read fonts, high resolution, smooth with just the right amount of lag between presses. Most importantly, behaves the same all the time. Also all menu options are placed in a logical menu locations. No device can do wrong copying the look and feel of OPPO blurays. AppleTV actually have good settings also. Not talking about features now, just the look and feel. Android TV devices like Shield are just the oposit, not really laggy but over complicated menus that have you go too many steps deep to get to everything and some things are a little strangely placed. I guess I should have asked what AV processor has a good UI in your opinion. The Oppo is ok but I don't like the layout and while it may have instant redraws the cursor movement is not instant by any means. And you must admit the Oppo is a pretty simple device compared to a processor. Do you know of a processor with a UI that you like? |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 19, 2023 12:57:14 GMT -5
The OPPO players have a great settings menu. Easy to read fonts, high resolution, smooth with just the right amount of lag between presses. Most importantly, behaves the same all the time. Also all menu options are placed in a logical menu locations. No device can do wrong copying the look and feel of OPPO blurays. AppleTV actually have good settings also. Not talking about features now, just the look and feel. Android TV devices like Shield are just the oposit, not really laggy but over complicated menus that have you go too many steps deep to get to everything and some things are a little strangely placed. I guess I should have asked what AV processor has a good UI in your opinion. The Oppo is ok but I don't like the layout and while it may have instant redraws the cursor movement is not instant by any means. And you must admit the Oppo is a pretty simple device compared to a processor. Do you know of a processor with a UI that you like? It should really be no difference other than the amount of options to change. OPPOs, like I wrote, does have some cursor lag. But it’s constant and the redrawing is mostly instant. This makes the feel of it correct. Easy to read, high resolution, right fonts and colors, Graphics showing some things like inputs, speakers and explaining the feature. Speed while moving around the menus, constant speed that never slows down (feel). Logical placement of options, not lumping together some options that are ”hard ro place”. Using correct naming for options, same as others to keep it as simple as possible. Having some help on screen explaining what the option does would be good. Does not need to be several pages long, just a sentence or two. I don’t think there are anyone perfect out there. I haven’t tested them all or even the latest versions. But most (if not all?) are atleast better than Emotiva. Most do atleast some of the things I mention above. Or do you know of any that are worse? Maybe I could test them and see. The old Marantz settings was not a favourite of mine either. Haven’t tested the new one yet, but it is supposed to have gotten higher resolution and a lot better. Emotiva do have some good options not found on others, but lacking or having limited options for some other things. The biggest issue being slow and sometimes can lag depending on what’s going on in the background. Another issue I guess is also that they are difficult for new users due to its UI. A picture is worth a thousand words, does indeed apply here.. But then again these are no newbie products.  |
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Post by geebo on Mar 19, 2023 14:45:37 GMT -5
I guess I should have asked what AV processor has a good UI in your opinion. The Oppo is ok but I don't like the layout and while it may have instant redraws the cursor movement is not instant by any means. And you must admit the Oppo is a pretty simple device compared to a processor. Do you know of a processor with a UI that you like? It should really be no difference other than the amount of options to change. OPPOs, like I wrote, does have some cursor lag. But it’s constant and the redrawing is mostly instant. This makes the feel of it correct. Easy to read, high resolution, right fonts and colors, Graphics showing some things like inputs, speakers and explaining the feature. Speed while moving around the menus, constant speed that never slows down (feel). Logical placement of options, not lumping together some options that are ”hard ro place”. Using correct naming for options, same as others to keep it as simple as possible. Having some help on screen explaining what the option does would be good. Does not need to be several pages long, just a sentence or two. I don’t think there are anyone perfect out there. I haven’t tested them all or even the latest versions. But most (if not all?) are atleast better than Emotiva. Most do atleast some of the things I mention above. Or do you know of any that are worse? Maybe I could test them and see. The old Marantz settings was not a favourite of mine either. Haven’t tested the new one yet, but it is supposed to have gotten higher resolution and a lot better. Emotiva do have some good options not found on others, but lacking or having limited options for some other things. The biggest issue being slow and sometimes can lag depending on what’s going on in the background. Another issue I guess is also that they are difficult for new users due to its UI. A picture is worth a thousand words, does indeed apply here.. But then again these are no newbie products. Well personally I have no preference for the Oppo, LG, Nvidia Shield, ATV, Xbox or Emotiva UI's. They're just a way of making system changes to me and all of them accomplish the task. The speed of the redraw, cursor movement, switch from one menu to the other on those items are all non issues for me. I will say I would rather have the Emo interface over that of the Nvidia Shield, Xbox or ATV. It's harder to find what you want in those cumbersome UI's compared to the simple structure of the RMC-1L. |
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Post by KeithL on Mar 20, 2023 10:53:58 GMT -5
To be quite honest I do agree with you that our user interface could definitely be prettier. However, as I've mentioned before, the speed is based on what's going on behind the scenes, and not because the interface itself is slow. For those who are curious... the reason our interface looks the way it does is that our text-based GUI is handled largely in the HDMI switches. Those cool 3D buttons and graphics have to be generated by a separate processor... which means more work... and more complexity. I've got add a few things about the Oppos... - I had two Oppo players; and I though the GUI was pretty good (but only pretty good). - Of course, the better the interface gets, the more individual preference comes into play too. - A Blu-Ray player is a much simpler device than a full-on processor (it's also got a lot less going on behind the scenes). - Oppo is no longer making them (presumably because, even though Oppo players weren't cheap, and they sold a LOT of them, it was still no longer profitable to do so). I guess I should have asked what AV processor has a good UI in your opinion. The Oppo is ok but I don't like the layout and while it may have instant redraws the cursor movement is not instant by any means. And you must admit the Oppo is a pretty simple device compared to a processor. Do you know of a processor with a UI that you like? It should really be no difference other than the amount of options to change. OPPOs, like I wrote, does have some cursor lag. But it’s constant and the redrawing is mostly instant. This makes the feel of it correct. Easy to read, high resolution, right fonts and colors, Graphics showing some things like inputs, speakers and explaining the feature. Speed while moving around the menus, constant speed that never slows down (feel). Logical placement of options, not lumping together some options that are ”hard ro place”. Using correct naming for options, same as others to keep it as simple as possible. Having some help on screen explaining what the option does would be good. Does not need to be several pages long, just a sentence or two. I don’t think there are anyone perfect out there. I haven’t tested them all or even the latest versions. But most (if not all?) are atleast better than Emotiva. Most do atleast some of the things I mention above. Or do you know of any that are worse? Maybe I could test them and see. The old Marantz settings was not a favourite of mine either. Haven’t tested the new one yet, but it is supposed to have gotten higher resolution and a lot better. Emotiva do have some good options not found on others, but lacking or having limited options for some other things. The biggest issue being slow and sometimes can lag depending on what’s going on in the background. Another issue I guess is also that they are difficult for new users due to its UI. A picture is worth a thousand words, does indeed apply here.. But then again these are no newbie products. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 20, 2023 15:08:58 GMT -5
To be quite honest I do agree with you that our user interface could definitely be prettier. However, as I've mentioned before, the speed is based on what's going on behind the scenes, and not because the interface itself is slow. For those who are curious... the reason our interface looks the way it does is that our text-based GUI is handled largely in the HDMI switches. Those cool 3D buttons and graphics have to be generated by a separate processor... which means more work... and more complexity. I've got add a few things about the Oppos... - I had two Oppo players; and I though the GUI was pretty good (but only pretty good). - Of course, the better the interface gets, the more individual preference comes into play too. - A Blu-Ray player is a much simpler device than a full-on processor (it's also got a lot less going on behind the scenes). - Oppo is no longer making them (presumably because, even though Oppo players weren't cheap, and they sold a LOT of them, it was still no longer profitable to do so). It should really be no difference other than the amount of options to change. OPPOs, like I wrote, does have some cursor lag. But it’s constant and the redrawing is mostly instant. This makes the feel of it correct. Easy to read, high resolution, right fonts and colors, Graphics showing some things like inputs, speakers and explaining the feature. Speed while moving around the menus, constant speed that never slows down (feel). Logical placement of options, not lumping together some options that are ”hard ro place”. Using correct naming for options, same as others to keep it as simple as possible. Having some help on screen explaining what the option does would be good. Does not need to be several pages long, just a sentence or two. I don’t think there are anyone perfect out there. I haven’t tested them all or even the latest versions. But most (if not all?) are atleast better than Emotiva. Most do atleast some of the things I mention above. Or do you know of any that are worse? Maybe I could test them and see. The old Marantz settings was not a favourite of mine either. Haven’t tested the new one yet, but it is supposed to have gotten higher resolution and a lot better. Emotiva do have some good options not found on others, but lacking or having limited options for some other things. The biggest issue being slow and sometimes can lag depending on what’s going on in the background. Another issue I guess is also that they are difficult for new users due to its UI. A picture is worth a thousand words, does indeed apply here.. But then again these are no newbie products. Well, the reason to change is not only to make it ”prettier”. That will come with the other improvements. You say that your UI is not slow, only because of what’s going on in the background.. But that just it, no matter what’s going on the user experience is what you see and use. Even if the UI is super fast and all the other stuff slows it down then that’s what users experience. So it feels slow. Is it not possible to have the CPU do the settings if live update would be removed and putting settings on its own screen? Wouldn’t that make it less complex? Not saying you should do that but generally speaking.. It’s not that your processors have so much more settings than an OPPO bluray. The speaker and input parts are of course the real difference obviously. As I wrote before, it’s not comparing with OPPO regarding options. But rather the look and feel of the settings. I wouldn’t say OPPO are the best either, but it’s a good base start from. |
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Post by hsamwel on Mar 21, 2023 11:17:15 GMT -5
It should really be no difference other than the amount of options to change. OPPOs, like I wrote, does have some cursor lag. But it’s constant and the redrawing is mostly instant. This makes the feel of it correct. Easy to read, high resolution, right fonts and colors, Graphics showing some things like inputs, speakers and explaining the feature. Speed while moving around the menus, constant speed that never slows down (feel). Logical placement of options, not lumping together some options that are ”hard ro place”. Using correct naming for options, same as others to keep it as simple as possible. Having some help on screen explaining what the option does would be good. Does not need to be several pages long, just a sentence or two. I don’t think there are anyone perfect out there. I haven’t tested them all or even the latest versions. But most (if not all?) are atleast better than Emotiva. Most do atleast some of the things I mention above. Or do you know of any that are worse? Maybe I could test them and see. The old Marantz settings was not a favourite of mine either. Haven’t tested the new one yet, but it is supposed to have gotten higher resolution and a lot better. Emotiva do have some good options not found on others, but lacking or having limited options for some other things. The biggest issue being slow and sometimes can lag depending on what’s going on in the background. Another issue I guess is also that they are difficult for new users due to its UI. A picture is worth a thousand words, does indeed apply here.. But then again these are no newbie products. Well personally I have no preference for the Oppo, LG, Nvidia Shield, ATV, Xbox or Emotiva UI's. They're just a way of making system changes to me and all of them accomplish the task. The speed of the redraw, cursor movement, switch from one menu to the other on those items are all non issues for me. I will say I would rather have the Emo interface over that of the Nvidia Shield, Xbox or ATV. It's harder to find what you want in those cumbersome UI's compared to the simple structure of the RMC-1L. Wow.. Do you really think ATV is cumbersome compared to Emotiva? I can agree about Shield though.. I have no experience with XBox as I have always been a PS user. Microsoft hasn’t been king of UIs in the past. But Windows 11 is pretty good compared to how the older versions were. IMO the live update is the villain to the UI here. It does more bad than good. On a very VERY little part of the UI it’s nice to have but as a whole it just slows it down. Also like in input settings it behaves.. To be nice, not good! When you want change settings it switches to the next as you move around the menu chosing the input. Settings is for changing settings. If I wanted to cycle through inputs I would have used the remotes input up/down buttons. When you activate Enhanced bass it takes its bass crossover from the small fronts BM settings when set to large.. Talk about cumbersome.. You could add to this.. Why move up to activate a function rather than just press OK? LFE level, DTS direct and DTS dialog in preferences? Why call Back speakers Rears? Sides are called Surround? They are all surrounds! Wides are called width. Anthony Grimani has spoken about this in several videos. Wides does not exist in the trigger menu?! They supposedly triggered together with surrounds or was it fronts, I can’t remember. Don’t know if this was mentioned in the manual though. These are some small things from the top of my head. Yes, you don’t go into the settings every day. But its settings reflect how a product is percieved. Once you are in there it should be good place to be. Easy to find things. Also mostly self explanatory. You shouldn’t need a manual for the most part. I’m very tech-savvy and always help my friends and family with all modern digital devices. I instantly notice a good GUI when I use it for the first time, it feels like you’ve used it before. I must say the first time I used my RMC it was like a blow back to the MSDOS times with Intel 286 processors.. I remember my dad listed a directory from the harddrive which took like forever to read/draw on the screen. Now the DOS window lists much bigger directories instantly after you press enter. Well to,the point, it took a few minutes to get used to the UI as it is like no other I’m used to. Sorry if I babble on. I will quit this topic now. |
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Post by geebo on Mar 21, 2023 11:33:54 GMT -5
Well personally I have no preference for the Oppo, LG, Nvidia Shield, ATV, Xbox or Emotiva UI's. They're just a way of making system changes to me and all of them accomplish the task. The speed of the redraw, cursor movement, switch from one menu to the other on those items are all non issues for me. I will say I would rather have the Emo interface over that of the Nvidia Shield, Xbox or ATV. It's harder to find what you want in those cumbersome UI's compared to the simple structure of the RMC-1L. Wow.. Do you really think ATV is cumbersome compared to Emotiva? I can agree about Shield though.. I have no experience with XBox as I have always been a PS user. Microsoft hasn’t been king of UIs in the past. But Windows 11 is pretty good compared to how the older versions were. IMO the live update is the villain to the UI here. It does more bad than good. On a very VERY little part of the UI it’s nice to have but as a whole it just slows it down. Also like in input settings it behaves.. To be nice, not good! When you want change settings it switches to the next as you move around the menu chosing the input. Settings is for changing settings. If I wanted to cycle through inputs I would have used the remotes input up/down buttons. When you activate Enhanced bass it takes its bass crossover from the small fronts BM settings when set to large.. Talk about cumbersome.. You could add to this.. Why move up to activate a function rather than just press OK? LFE level, DTS direct and DTS dialog in preferences? Why call Back speakers Rears? Sides are called Surround? They are all surrounds! Wides are called width. Anthony Grimani has spoken about this in several videos. Wides does not exist in the trigger menu?! They supposedly triggered together with surrounds or was it fronts, I can’t remember. Don’t know if this was mentioned in the manual though. These are some small things from the top of my head. Yes, you don’t go into the settings every day. But its settings reflect how a product is percieved. Once you are in there it should be good place to be. Easy to find things. Also mostly self explanatory. You shouldn’t need a manual for the most part. I’m very tech-savvy and always help my friends and family with all modern digital devices. I instantly notice a good GUI when I use it for the first time, it feels like you’ve used it before. I must say the first time I used my RMC it was like a blow back to the MSDOS times with Intel 286 processors.. I remember my dad listed a directory from the harddrive which took like forever to read/draw on the screen. Now the DOS window lists much bigger directories instantly after you press enter. Well to,the point, it took a few minutes to get used to the UI as it is like no other I’m used to. Sorry if I babble on. I will quit this topic now. I do think the RMC has a simpler UI than the ATV. I would prefer to change input settings without the processor changing inputs in the process. I do not use Enhanced Bass so I can't comment but I have no trouble with speaker naming conventions. I know the difference between surrounds, backs (rears) and wides without even thinking about it. |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 21, 2023 11:38:36 GMT -5
Why call Back speakers Rears? Sides are called Surround? They are all surrounds! Wides are called width. Dolby calls width speaker channels Wides, and back speaker channels Rears. It's other organizations that name them differently.  So when speaking in Dolby ATMOS terms, I use Dolby ATMOS naming convention. |
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Post by marcl on Mar 21, 2023 12:36:19 GMT -5
Why call Back speakers Rears? Sides are called Surround? They are all surrounds! Wides are called width. Dolby calls width speaker channels Wides, and back speaker channels Rears. It's other organizations that name them differently. So when speaking in Dolby ATMOS terms, I use Dolby ATMOS naming convention. I still have friends who talk about surrounds as the back speakers ... and even put them in the back, in a 5.1 system. Yeah I guess they were ... back in the 90's. And while we're at it ..... the wall in the front of the room - the one you're looking at - is the Front Wall, and the wall in the back of the room - the one behind you - is the Back Wall  |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 21, 2023 12:45:31 GMT -5
And while we're at it ..... the wall in the front of the room is the Front Wall, and the wall in the back of the room is the Back wall Yes they are! Years ago, I went along with some in calling the front wall the back wall. But in too many forum posts there was confusion. I stopped playing along with the nonsense. The front of a classroom isn't called the back because it's behind the teacher. The front of an auditorium isn't called the back because it's behind a speaker or orchestra. The front of an automobile isn't called the back because it's behind the one ahead of it. The head of a pin isn't called the bottom. wait, got off track. So why is a wall, that's behind speakers, but in front of one or more seats facing it, called the Back Wall? |
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Post by marcl on Mar 21, 2023 12:48:48 GMT -5
And while we're at it ..... the wall in the front of the room is the Front Wall, and the wall in the back of the room is the Back wall Yes they are! Years ago, I went along with some in calling the front wall the back wall. But in too many forum posts there was confusion. I stopped playing along with the nonsense. The front of a classroom isn't called the back because it's behind the teacher. The front of an auditorium isn't called the back because it's behind a speaker or orchestra. The front of an automobile isn't called the back because it's behind the one ahead of it. The head of a pin isn't called the bottom. wait, got off track. So why is a wall, that's behind speakers, but in front of one or more seats facing it, called the Back Wall? Maybe it's a dipole thing ... it's the wall that the back wave bounces off of |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 21, 2023 12:56:34 GMT -5
Yes they are! Years ago, I went along with some in calling the front wall the back wall. But in too many forum posts there was confusion. I stopped playing along with the nonsense. The front of a classroom isn't called the back because it's behind the teacher. The front of an auditorium isn't called the back because it's behind a speaker or orchestra. The front of an automobile isn't called the back because it's behind the one ahead of it. The head of a pin isn't called the bottom. wait, got off track. So why is a wall, that's behind speakers, but in front of one or more seats facing it, called the Back Wall? Maybe it's a dipole thing ... it's the wall that the back wave bounces off of But then is my tv mounted on the Back Wall? |
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Post by marcl on Mar 21, 2023 13:07:13 GMT -5
Maybe it's a dipole thing ... it's the wall that the back wave bounces off of But then is my tv mounted on the Back Wall? The back of it is mounted to the front wall! |
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