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Post by DYohn on Feb 8, 2010 14:06:32 GMT -5
Yes, I suppose it is all about how one looks at it, but in general practice sub-bass is anything 80Hz (or 100Hz) and below, mid-bass goes up to 250-300Hz and then the midrange region begins (or some people like to call the lower midrange "upper bass.") I will be happy to dispute Dr. Hsu about mid-bass reaching down to 50Hz. Of course the subwoofer contributes to the bands above it's crossover point and the mains to the bands below theirs, so there really is no definitive answer and it depends completely on each user's setup. But the "kick in your chest" bass power band that most people think of when they use the term "mid-bass" occurs mostly in the 120-180Hz region, and in most setups it is the main speaker woofers that contribute the most to this. YMMV.
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Post by Animo on Feb 10, 2010 9:35:05 GMT -5
Yes, I suppose it is all about how one looks at it, but in general practice sub-bass is anything 80Hz (or 100Hz) and below, . I guess that's why my sub is designed to go from 15Hz to 100Hz???
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Post by mattyd on Feb 10, 2010 11:00:19 GMT -5
I'm between the Epik Empire and the Rythmik F15 I have read some people say that the Rythmik is lacking in output but in my little room I'll prob be ok and it is very musical so it most likely have a very tight and quick response.
But I have never had that kick you in your chest bass that the Empire has been proported to have.
I'm to the point where I think I need to just flip a coin. LOL
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 10, 2010 18:04:31 GMT -5
I'm between the Epik Empire and the Rythmik F15 I have read some people say that the Rythmik is lacking in output but in my little room I'll prob be ok and it is very musical so it most likely have a very tight and quick response. But I have never had that kick you in your chest bass that the Empire has been proported to have. I'm to the point where I think I need to just flip a coin. LOL The rythmik F15 lacking output? I have an in room average of around 110db from 20-40hz, and from roughly 15-20hz the average is about 107db. This is in a room sized about 16x14 with the limiter circuit ON. Not exactly a sub that lacks output. Granted its not a DB monster like some of the other offerings, but its musical accuracy is well worth losing a couple of DB for in my book. Want or need more output? Get a second one and gain a solid 6db across the board! ;D
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Post by mattyd on Feb 11, 2010 13:36:44 GMT -5
I'm more confused about what I want to do now than before. Should I
A) Get a $600-$1000 dollar high performance sub system B) Get a $300-$400 dollar lower end sub and an eq such as SMS-1 and upgrade later C) Get 2 subs for $600 -$800 that are lower end
If I got a UMC-1 does anyone know if it will have adequate eq for the sub something like but not as complex as a SMS-1
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Post by mattyd on Feb 11, 2010 13:37:47 GMT -5
I was also looking at the SVS small sealed SB serious does anyone have any experience? They are coming out with a small sealed 13" sub soon
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 11, 2010 15:27:13 GMT -5
I'm more confused about what I want to do now than before. Should I A) Get a $600-$1000 dollar high performance sub system B) Get a $300-$400 dollar lower end sub and an eq such as SMS-1 and upgrade later C) Get 2 subs for $600 -$800 that are lower end If I got a UMC-1 does anyone know if it will have adequate eq for the sub something like but not as complex as a SMS-1 The SMS-1 isnt a bad piece, but its really not necessary. Especially if your getting a UMC-1 which has its own multiband sub PEQ and fully adjustable low pass xover. So to be honest, your better off getting the best subwoofer you can afford. Again, I would highly consider a 15" Rythmik. Its a serious high end audiophile subwoofer.
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Post by rick240 on Feb 11, 2010 15:57:31 GMT -5
I'm more confused about what I want to do now than before. Should I A) Get a $600-$1000 dollar high performance sub system B) Get a $300-$400 dollar lower end sub and an eq such as SMS-1 and upgrade later C) Get 2 subs for $600 -$800 that are lower end If I got a UMC-1 does anyone know if it will have adequate eq for the sub something like but not as complex as a SMS-1 The SMS-1 isnt a bad piece, but its really not necessary. Especially if your getting a UMC-1 which has its own multiband sub PEQ and fully adjustable low pass xover. So to be honest, your better off getting the best subwoofer you can afford. Again, I would highly consider a 15" Rythmik. Its a serious high end audiophile subwoofer. I will also chime in support for a Rythmik. With your smaller room and budget an F12 will do you just fine (I am ecstatic with mine in a bigger room than yours).
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 15:59:37 GMT -5
Correction the UMC has a EQ not a PEQ
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 11, 2010 19:44:55 GMT -5
Correction the UMC has a EQ not a PEQ Its technically a fixed band parametric EQ(or i guess you could call it basically an octave graphic EQ, but the Q is much wider than a typical GEQ)I believe as Q and frequency centers are fixed, with -10/+10 cuts/gains.
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Post by flamingeye on Feb 11, 2010 20:16:56 GMT -5
OK that`s pretty cool thank`s I was a little concerned that it mite not be enough for sub duty
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Post by rick240 on Feb 11, 2010 20:18:29 GMT -5
OK that`s pretty cool thank`s I was a little concerned that it mite not be enough for sub duty If you're concerned about not enough EQ in the UMC then just get the Rythmik with the PEQ amp and get one more band of EQ.
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Post by mattyd on Feb 11, 2010 21:22:04 GMT -5
Rick240 I see that you are enjoying your F12 are you using it mostly for music or theater?
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Post by rick240 on Feb 12, 2010 0:29:55 GMT -5
Rick240 I see that you are enjoying your F12 are you using it mostly for music or theater? Mostly for HT. I'm a bit of a movie addict and probably watch about 3 movies a week. I upgraded from a Paradigm DSP-3100 (which is a decent sub) after less than 2 months because I was getting an Oppo BDP-83 and in anticipation of it I bought about 15 5.1 SACD and DVD-A. I definitely enjoy my F12 for both ;D
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Post by mattyd on Feb 13, 2010 10:32:43 GMT -5
well the F15 is only a $100 more so I would go for it so I could have more than I need
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 13, 2010 11:04:02 GMT -5
well the F15 is only a $100 more so I would go for it so I could have more than I need Yep, if the extra $100 bucks is in your budget the 15" version is the way to go. Its always easy to turn gains and output down(which always means less distortion and a driver that functions in a more linear fashion)but its no easy needing to go the other way. The more that driver needs to move, the more chance for distortion and over driving a sub. So if your going to be doing a single sub solution, go for the biggest driver in the largest tuned enclosure possible. The Rythmik 15" will give you a clean 2-4db more headroom over the 12" counterpart.
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Post by Animo on Feb 13, 2010 16:04:42 GMT -5
I'm more confused about what I want to do now than before. Should I A) Get a $600-$1000 dollar high performance sub system B) Get a $300-$400 dollar lower end sub and an eq such as SMS-1 and upgrade later C) Get 2 subs for $600 -$800 that are lower end If I got a UMC-1 does anyone know if it will have adequate eq for the sub something like but not as complex as a SMS-1 The SMS-1 isnt a bad piece, but its really not necessary. Especially if your getting a UMC-1 which has its own multiband sub PEQ and fully adjustable low pass xover. So to be honest, your better off getting the best subwoofer you can afford. Again, I would highly consider a 15" Rythmik. Its a serious high end audiophile subwoofer. Why would you recommend a servo sub with it's own built in DSP, (at an extra cost), when the same or better processing can be found in most AVRs or processors? Isn't that a bit redundant, and a waste of resources? I have the SMS-1 only because my processor doesn't have multiband sub EQ. You even state, the SMS isn't necessary because the UMC has the EQ built in, yet it's ok to have it in the subwoofer too? That seems quite contradictory!!
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 13, 2010 16:37:58 GMT -5
The SMS-1 isnt a bad piece, but its really not necessary. Especially if your getting a UMC-1 which has its own multiband sub PEQ and fully adjustable low pass xover. So to be honest, your better off getting the best subwoofer you can afford. Again, I would highly consider a 15" Rythmik. Its a serious high end audiophile subwoofer. Why would you recommend a servo sub with it's own built in DSP, (at an extra cost), when the same or better processing can be found in most AVRs or processors? Isn't that a bit redundant, and a waste of resources? I have the SMS-1 only because my processor doesn't have multiband sub EQ. You even state, the SMS isn't necessary because the UMC has the EQ built in, yet it's ok to have it in the subwoofer too? That seems quite contradictory!! Contradictory? LOL, you dont know Rythmiks products very well. You can get the A370 amp in either the XLR/rca input version with NO single band PEQ, or the A370 version with a single band PEQ. Again your pressing hard to try and make assumptions. He can pick up an F15 without having a PEQ if he so chooses, there are 3 different options available for purchasing a Rythmik sub. Try again..............
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Post by ntrain42 on Feb 13, 2010 16:39:30 GMT -5
And BTW Animo, you said you have no problem admitting when your wrong............so Ill be waiting for that apology on THIS POST.
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Post by Animo on Feb 13, 2010 17:10:57 GMT -5
And BTW Animo, you said you have no problem admitting when your wrong............so Ill be waiting for that apology on THIS POST. Ugh..... that was Chuckie that posted that. And I did mention to you that I will post when I agree with you and make sure others know that, but that doesn't mean I can't post when I disagree. I do know that the Ryhtmik is available in 3 versions, but you keep pushing the one with PEQ. This is the first post where you mentioned the other version. So....who deserves an apology?
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