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Post by robfive on Feb 24, 2010 19:37:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately the UMC-1 does not have this feature although I am not sure why not. I have heard that the XMC-1 will. It came down to the amount of memory available to the video section. I don't think that is the case. In another thread Lonnie wrote about whether or not to have individual video settings for each input as an option. Per input video settings is a very nice feature which is missing. It's very valuable to have selections for contrast, brightness, color-saturation, sharpness, edge enhancement, de-interlacing mode, block-NR, random-NR, mosquito-NR modes, as well as gamma and greyscale controls. These have been showing up on AVRs and pre/pros for the last couple of years. I am pretty sure EMO has stated this is not a feature for the UMC-1 (per input adjustable). This is a really nice feature, as you might want to crank up the noise reduction options on a satellite feed, but leave them off for your blu-ray input. Some also have the capability to detect 480i film source and convert to 1080p/ 24 . These are very nice features which are missing from the UMC-1. Those would be interesting features to open up to the public (because they are all currently in there, just done automatically),but I wonder about one thing. We have a Quantum Data video test system, but I wonder how many individuals have one to properly set all these? As it is now the Vixen system automatically and dynamically sets and adjust this for you.  The quote is primarily referring to picture settings but I believe resolution is just another option. Obviously I could be wrong. |
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Post by hemster on Feb 24, 2010 19:56:01 GMT -5
(in this context) "Sync" refers to two or more signals using the same timing sequence. "Sink" would be the display device at the end of the HDMI cable, the signal "target." Or it could be that the programmer just spelled "sync" wrong. Occam's razor.  No, no... what's meant by "sink" is video sink.. to the final output device. Not "sync" as in synchronize.. |
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Post by palmfish on Feb 24, 2010 20:00:22 GMT -5
Yes, this is not the case. Video settings are global not per input. But in your case, this might not sound as bad as you might think. It will depend on your display and what it reports back to the UMC. example: Bluray would be left at 1080p Xbox at 1080p wii will be s-video at 480i DTV HD will be set for 1080i/720p DVR at 1080i On auto, the UMC should take what you have and output it to what your display tells it it optimally wants. If that is 1080p, then the bluray and xbox would be untouched, and everything else upconverted and/or scaled to 1080p. If your display doesn't play nice, but you know 1080p is what you want as an output, set the UMC to 1080p and not auto. The tricky part comes when you want 1080p24 from your bluray. that may require that passthrough be set for those viewing sessions. 1080p24 is really dependent on your set. Some handle it very well, others not so well. In that case, stick to 1080p60. OK, I see. I think I will still be OK with the way you explained it. I have a brand new Panasonic 12G plasma, so I can only assume that it will "talk" to the UMC-1 without any problems. It's not a 24fps capable set, so 1080p/60fps is all it should ask for. What about a previous thread where Dan mentioned that the UMC-1 will take a 1080p source and process it anyways unless in passthrough mode? Doesn't this mean that a native 1080p BluRay disc will be processed by the UMC-1? What about a DVD that the BD Player upconverts to 1080p? Wouldn't double processing be undesireable? |
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Post by akbungle on Feb 24, 2010 20:06:51 GMT -5
I just call it like I see it on the UMC-1. The splash screen clearly reads "sink" when indicating a loss of communication with my display. Is this the correct usage? Maybe not. (in this context) "Sync" refers to two or more signals using the same timing sequence. "Sink" would be the display device at the end of the HDMI cable, the signal "target." Well I guess I stand corrected  . It's odd though as I even looked it up and could not find anything where sink was defined for this context. My bad. |
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Post by hemster on Feb 24, 2010 20:12:38 GMT -5
"Sink" is a term often used in electronic engineering. Glad I went to those classes.. and stayed awake!  |
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Post by bootman on Feb 24, 2010 20:19:11 GMT -5
It came down to the amount of memory available to the video section. I don't think that is the case. In another thread Lonnie wrote about whether or not to have individual video settings for each input as an option. Those would be interesting features to open up to the public (because they are all currently in there, just done automatically),but I wonder about one thing. We have a Quantum Data video test system, but I wonder how many individuals have one to properly set all these? As it is now the Vixen system automatically and dynamically sets and adjust this for you. The quote is primarily referring to picture settings but I believe resolution is just another option. Obviously I could be wrong. [/quote] I found Lonnie's quote regarding the video memory. Looks super cool. Question: Do each of the video inputs get their own video settings such as color, contrast, etc., or is there only one set of video settings that are applied to all inputs? No, the amount of memroy required to give each input its own video settings is stagaring, so it is a global setting. |
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Post by bootman on Feb 24, 2010 20:22:20 GMT -5
Yes, this is not the case. Video settings are global not per input. But in your case, this might not sound as bad as you might think. It will depend on your display and what it reports back to the UMC. example: Bluray would be left at 1080p Xbox at 1080p wii will be s-video at 480i DTV HD will be set for 1080i/720p DVR at 1080i On auto, the UMC should take what you have and output it to what your display tells it it optimally wants. If that is 1080p, then the bluray and xbox would be untouched, and everything else upconverted and/or scaled to 1080p. If your display doesn't play nice, but you know 1080p is what you want as an output, set the UMC to 1080p and not auto. The tricky part comes when you want 1080p24 from your bluray. that may require that passthrough be set for those viewing sessions. 1080p24 is really dependent on your set. Some handle it very well, others not so well. In that case, stick to 1080p60. OK, I see. I think I will still be OK with the way you explained it. I have a brand new Panasonic 12G plasma, so I can only assume that it will "talk" to the UMC-1 without any problems. It's not a 24fps capable set, so 1080p/60fps is all it should ask for. What about a previous thread where Dan mentioned that the UMC-1 will take a 1080p source and process it anyways unless in passthrough mode? Doesn't this mean that a native 1080p BluRay disc will be processed by the UMC-1? What about a DVD that the BD Player upconverts to 1080p? Wouldn't double processing be undesireable? Yes, on a 1080p source you get the overlay processing so you can see the menus. You also have picture settings available. Keep them flat to minimize their affects or go to pass through to bypass. Try both, it you can't tell, that is all that matters. Good luck and post your findings. |
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Post by loopinfool on Feb 24, 2010 20:42:22 GMT -5
Well I guess I stand corrected . It's odd though as I even looked it up and could not find anything where sink was defined for this context. My bad. It's similar to the use in "heat sink" -- sort of meaning "where the heat goes", or "that which collects the heat". Same thing here substituting the HDMI data for the heat. - LoopinFool |
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Post by ratmice on Feb 24, 2010 20:48:24 GMT -5
However, why is it Emotiva's (or any other equipment manufacturer's) responsibility to create a device that will work with "less than perfect" devices from other companies? Because they want us to BUY them. Don't you know that the customer is always right? |
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Post by lonnie on Feb 24, 2010 21:05:52 GMT -5
(in this context) "Sync" refers to two or more signals using the same timing sequence. "Sink" would be the display device at the end of the HDMI cable, the signal "target." Well I guess I stand corrected . It's odd though as I even looked it up and could not find anything where sink was defined for this context. My bad. just to clarify something here. In terms of HDMI it actually is Source and Sink. The Sink is considered the downstream device from any TX. Sync is used in referrence to two devices working together whether it be format, bit rate, frame rate, etc. Just wanted to clarify. |
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Post by nickwin on Feb 24, 2010 21:16:06 GMT -5
well, I can't say this thread has answered all of my UMC questions, but I sure have learned a lot about resolutions, cadences, ect from it ;D. One thing I am curious about is, do all newly released AVRs and pro/pro's have these same issues with EDID and and resolutions getting locked on the wrong setting ect? If this really is "the way things are now" with HDMI and EDID, you would think all AVRs would act the same way, but I haven't really heard this come up much with new AVR owners. Loopinfool, My dad also has a Kuro (his is 8g). I set it up for him a couple years ago and spent a lot of time viewing it. The Kuro's definitely rock! BluRays look phenomenal in 72hz mode. Its a shame there no longer in production. I'm still trying to talk him into picking up one of the late model Elite Kuro's so he can give me his "outdated" 8g  |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 25, 2010 10:48:33 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that they have a 24hz capable display that is correctly requesting 24fps from the UMC in Auto?
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Post by robfive on Feb 25, 2010 11:02:33 GMT -5
I don't think that is the case. In another thread Lonnie wrote about whether or not to have individual video settings for each input as an option. Those would be interesting features to open up to the public (because they are all currently in there, just done automatically),but I wonder about one thing. We have a Quantum Data video test system, but I wonder how many individuals have one to properly set all these? As it is now the Vixen system automatically and dynamically sets and adjust this for you. The quote is primarily referring to picture settings but I believe resolution is just another option. Obviously I could be wrong. I found Lonnie's quote regarding the video memory. No, the amount of memory required to give each input its own video settings is stagaring, so it is a global setting. That's funny ;D. I remember Lonnie mentioning something about the memory issue awhile back but I forgot it was direct response to a question I asked  . I don't see how the resolution would use more memory than the individual picture settings but it has been awhile since my programming days. Either way most people should be fine with the global setting the UMC-1 incorporates. |
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Post by jgeiger on Feb 25, 2010 11:05:20 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that they have a 24hz capable display that is correctly requesting 24fps from the UMC in Auto? If you don't want better, then use the pass through mode. What goes in is what goes out. This bypasses the image processing and up-converting engine. This will also maintain the native frame rate and resolution of the source. This is also how you handle 24fps sources.The only way to get 24p is to have it on pass through. It's been said a bunch of times, and I can confirm it in practice. |
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Post by USNRet on Feb 25, 2010 11:07:28 GMT -5
example: Bluray would be left at 1080p Xbox at 1080p wii will be s-video at 480i DTV HD will be set for 1080i/720p DVR at 1080i Reading with interest but I am lost when the DTV HD and DVD are seperated as two units here. I don't think you are suggesting HDMI and component as parallel connections from the DTV set top (HD DVR) |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 25, 2010 11:21:15 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that they have a 24hz capable display that is correctly requesting 24fps from the UMC in Auto? If you don't want better, then use the pass through mode. What goes in is what goes out. This bypasses the image processing and up-converting engine. This will also maintain the native frame rate and resolution of the source. This is also how you handle 24fps sources.The only way to get 24p is to have it on pass through. It's been said a bunch of times, and I can confirm it in practice. jgeiger, Thats what I thought too. But I spoke to Lonnie on the telephone and I swear I remember him saying that Auto would correctly negotiate 24p too... I could be wrong, but if I am that means that video resolution switching is necessary every time we want to want a blu-ray (and would like the UMC to upscale other sources). Lonnie? |
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Post by venaka on Feb 25, 2010 11:22:53 GMT -5
The only issue I am having with mine after the software update has to do with the signal quality out of my DirectTV DVR and is not due to the UMC-1. When watching my DVR I get to deal with constant and frustrating audio drop outs and shifting from 5.1 to 2.0 with HDMI feeds from my DVR, periodic loss of center channel and video glitches. But the performance with the HDMI feed from my Sony Blu Ray player is perfect, so it's not an issue with the UMC-1, it's an issue with the DVR. The fact that the audio from the Blu Ray player is perfect doesn't mean the DVR is the sole source of audio problems when watching DirecTV. I have DirecTV and I believe that both the DVR and the UMC-1 are to blame. The DVR may be the source of the audio dropouts, but the UMC-1 does not appear to be recovering properly. When the UMC drops back to 2.0 it will stay there even though the signal returns to 5.1. I can back up to a point just after the original audio glitch and it will lock in at 5.1 on the same signal it was playing as 2.0. Also, the channel disappearances are not in the DVR signal either. Once gone, they don't seem to come back by pausing or changing channels - it takes an input switch to restore them. Under no circumstances should a signal from the DVR should be able cause the UMC to lose channels. Lose audio lock temporarily? Yes. Lose signals that require input change to get back? No. I never had the above "center drop digital 2/0" problem until I played with my advanced playback digital 2/0.. I moved it to dolby d and now my damn center channel drops occasionally. The umc will show digital 2/0 when this occurs..Can someone not experiencing this center channel drop please tell me what their default says in advanced playback on digital 2/0, I think mine was set to PLIIx. THanks |
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Post by jmilton on Feb 25, 2010 11:32:51 GMT -5
The fact that the audio from the Blu Ray player is perfect doesn't mean the DVR is the sole source of audio problems when watching DirecTV. I have DirecTV and I believe that both the DVR and the UMC-1 are to blame. The DVR may be the source of the audio dropouts, but the UMC-1 does not appear to be recovering properly. When the UMC drops back to 2.0 it will stay there even though the signal returns to 5.1. I can back up to a point just after the original audio glitch and it will lock in at 5.1 on the same signal it was playing as 2.0. Also, the channel disappearances are not in the DVR signal either. Once gone, they don't seem to come back by pausing or changing channels - it takes an input switch to restore them. Under no circumstances should a signal from the DVR should be able cause the UMC to lose channels. Lose audio lock temporarily? Yes. Lose signals that require input change to get back? No. I never had the above "center drop digital 2/0" problem until I played with my advanced playback digital 2/0.. I moved it to dolby d and now my damn center channel drops occasionally. The umc will show digital 2/0 when this occurs..Can someone not experiencing this center channel drop please tell me what their default says in advanced playback on digital 2/0, I think mine was set to PLIIx. THanks Neo:6 Cinema6...and I never lose the CC. |
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Post by venaka on Feb 25, 2010 12:00:48 GMT -5
I never had the above "center drop digital 2/0" problem until I played with my advanced playback digital 2/0.. I moved it to dolby d and now my damn center channel drops occasionally. The umc will show digital 2/0 when this occurs..Can someone not experiencing this center channel drop please tell me what their default says in advanced playback on digital 2/0, I think mine was set to PLIIx. THanks Neo:6 Cinema6...and I never lose the CC. ok i think my default from factory was PLIIx, i am actually pretty sure.. anyways, I fixed the problem, since this umc-is a pc , i did what i do whem my pc acts up..help the power button for a few seconds, turned off then turned it back on after a few seconds. no more dropped centers. and PLIIx is set. Thanks! |
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Post by ripcordaff on Feb 25, 2010 18:47:20 GMT -5
Can anyone confirm that they have a 24hz capable display that is correctly requesting 24fps from the UMC in Auto? If you don't want better, then use the pass through mode. What goes in is what goes out. This bypasses the image processing and up-converting engine. This will also maintain the native frame rate and resolution of the source. This is also how you handle 24fps sources.The only way to get 24p is to have it on pass through. It's been said a bunch of times, and I can confirm it in practice. jgeiger, I confirmed with Lonnie himself this afternoon. The UMC will pass a 24p signal in AUTO mode provided the display correctly reports that it prefers a 1080p\24 signal |
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. It's odd though as I even looked it up and could not find anything where sink was defined for this context.
. I don't see how the resolution would use more memory than the individual picture settings but it has been awhile since my programming days. Either way most people should be fine with the global setting the UMC-1 incorporates.
