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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 24, 2021 21:51:02 GMT -5
A perhaps ignorant question, please? As screen sizes grow, is there a need to decrease the intervals between calibrations? Or are cal frequencies independent of screen size? As to garbulky’s question - at the distance that you use for viewing, light output should not be an issue. Therefore, get the biggest screen your budget can cover. If you were viewing @ 15-foot distance, the extra lumens could be helpful, but at six feet, I’d think that an average screen would more than suffice. Also, don’t forget to use some LEDs behind the screen! |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 25, 2021 6:01:28 GMT -5
Try a projector and save lots.
Mine throws an 11' wide image on a wall - much larger than any TV.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 25, 2021 9:01:30 GMT -5
Try a projector and save lots. Mine throws an 11' wide image on a wall - much larger than any TV. But not as bright, and few have 4K, HDR, DV except possibly at a much higher cost, not to mention mounting wiring/cabling issues, and nothing to do with the OP. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 25, 2021 9:34:53 GMT -5
But not as bright, and few have 4K, HDR, DV except possibly at a much higher cost, not to mention mounting wiring/cabling issues, and nothing to do with the OP. Well, you're right about "not as bright" (unless you spend LOTS of $$$) - but at a six-foot viewing distance, who cares? As to 4K, HDR, DV, the costs have come down a lot. As to wiring-cabling, many projectors are available with wireless video connections (and have been for years). If (and this is an important "if"), garbulky uses his display for movies ONLY (or at least most of the time), then projectors become economically competitive. But the other half of the projector must also be taken into account - the screen. Some are happy painting a wall and calling it a screen, but knowing the Gar, he wants top video quality (and his wall is brick). Therefore the cost of a GOOD screen must also be taken into account, and once that expense is included, the decision shifts dramatically in favor of a flat-screen TV. So although I wouldn't call the case for a projector "absolutely nothing to do" with Gar's needs, the cost review should drive him in the direction of the flat screen, IMHO. Boomzilla |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 25, 2021 10:32:39 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Gar spends $10K on a tv.
Just suggesting a cost effective alternative for a big screen.
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2021 11:10:09 GMT -5
Will be interesting to see if Gar spends $10K on a tv. Just suggesting a cost effective alternative for a big screen. While the 77in LG G1 Evo model(which I believe Garbulky is eye-balling) isn't available just yet here in the US(due out May 2021), $4499 MSRP, there are several 77in OLED models that rate quite highly by professional ISF calibrators, that are well below $4000(closer to $3000), these include LG & Sony, so the $10K you mention would buy at least 2 to 3 of his model choices. |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 25, 2021 11:13:13 GMT -5
Per Gar:
Well.... ok so I'm not sure. The 83 inch price is rumored to be higher than expected. Rumored to 8000 Euro. Hopefully it will be cheaper in the US because that is rather pricey for me. I could see myself swinging maybe $7k USD but higher than that is going to be tough.
As I said, we will see.....
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2021 11:31:31 GMT -5
Per Gar: Well.... ok so I'm not sure. The 83 inch price is rumored to be higher than expected. Rumored to 8000 Euro. Hopefully it will be cheaper in the US because that is rather pricey for me. I could see myself swinging maybe $7k USD but higher than that is going to be tough. As I said, we will see..... The new LG G1 Evo Series OLED's will only be available in 55/65/77in models, no 83in. The LG OLED C1 models, one series down will offer an 83in, that looks to be releasing in the middle of May 2021 @ $5997 according to the ValueElectronics website and they are a certified retailer for LG. www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled77g1pua-oled-4k-tvvalueelectronics.com/product/lg-2021-83-c1-series-oled-tv-copy-2/ |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 25, 2021 12:37:25 GMT -5
But not as bright, and few have 4K, HDR, DV except possibly at a much higher cost, not to mention mounting wiring/cabling issues, and nothing to do with the OP. Well, you're right about "not as bright" (unless you spend LOTS of $$$) - but at a six-foot viewing distance, who cares? As to 4K, HDR, DV, the costs have come down a lot. As to wiring-cabling, many projectors are available with wireless video connections (and have been for years). If (and this is an important "if"), garbulky uses his display for movies ONLY (or at least most of the time), then projectors become economically competitive. But the other half of the projector must also be taken into account - the screen. Some are happy painting a wall and calling it a screen, but knowing the Gar, he wants top video quality (and his wall is brick). Therefore the cost of a GOOD screen must also be taken into account, and once that expense is included, the decision shifts dramatically in favor of a flat-screen TV. So although I wouldn't call the case for a projector "absolutely nothing to do" with Gar's needs, the cost review should drive him in the direction of the flat screen, IMHO. Boomzilla The OP begins with ... “ My future purchase is going to be a 77 inch LG OLED.” (the title of the thread is “77 vs 83 OLED”) He’s not asking for general suggestions on large screen viewing (or I might have recommended my Sony), he’s asking for specific thoughts on 77” vs 83” LG OLEDs. I realize everyone likes to give their two cents, but when someone gets specific in their OP (as you often do), I think we should try to be specific in our replies. I’d say my Sony would be off topic, and a projector more so. As for brightness, isn’t that a major point of HDR (HDR10, DV, HLG, etc)? The display must be capable of a specific maximum brightness (NITS) in order to achieve a satisfactory visual dynamic range — having absolute black isn’t sufficient. As an analogy, what if we had an amplifier that had absolutely no noise (humor me), but could only produce 1 mWPC clean peaks. Even if you hook it to a pair of Klipsch Cornerhorns (104 dB @ 1W), your PEAK SPL would only be 70 —75 dB, and even in a very quiet room you’d be pressed to get 50 dB of dynamic range (not even as good as the best LP’s, let alone 16 or 24 bit digital sources), forget about producing any semblance of live music (Muzak maybe). I will admit to not being sufficiently versed in current projector models to debate their merits, but believe in this thread I shouldn’t have to. Or maybe you want to hear how well I like my VTLs the next time you ask for a sold state amplifier recommendation? 🤷♂️ Edit: As for wireless projectors, I remind you of your WiFi vs wired Ethernet file transfer, would you want to send a potential 4K HDR Blu Ray (that can have a bandwidth over 100 Mbps) over WiFi? (definitely OT) |
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Post by audiobill on Apr 25, 2021 13:48:35 GMT -5
O.M.G. !
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Post by garbulky on Apr 25, 2021 14:57:22 GMT -5
audiobillAs AudioHTIT explains well, projectors are not in consideration. I have several reasons, the main two are picture quality and convenience. Picture quality – there’s nothing like the absolute blacks of an OLED. Gotta go with that. Convenience, projectors are unfamiliar to me and perform significantly differently in a lit room. I have to share the tv with family who need to be comfortable with it. Boomzilla: Back then it was about is the tv bright enough to see and big enough. But now with 4k HDR video, the format is calibrated for 1000 nits. So brightness is a significant factor in why I am upgrading. I need a decent amount of brightness and absolute black levels. LCSeminole I have a new contender that has been elevated it to the top of my list. The upcoming Sony A90J OLED 83 inch tv is supposed to be coming out this year. The 65 inch version is the brightest OLED on the market. (It uses the LG G1 panel but uses a heatsink to boost the brightness of the OLED over the G1). I want to know if the 83 inch panel will indeed use a G1 panel or whether it will default to the less bright panel of the LG C1 83 inch. It looks like it will cost 8 grand which is unfortunately really pushing my budget. But if it truly does deliver what I want, then I am prepared to wait to afford it.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Apr 25, 2021 15:11:03 GMT -5
Sitting at Costco waiting for my glasses to get fixed and watching the TVs. The 77” LG OLED is on display, don’t know if it’s the right model.  |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 25, 2021 16:42:40 GMT -5
Sitting at Costco waiting for my glasses to get fixed and watching the TVs. The 77” LG OLED is on display, don’t know if it’s the right model. View AttachmentThat's the 2020 LG 77 inch CX OLED. Still a fine OLED. Some people say it's not a whole lot different than the significantly more expensive 2021 G1. The price is also pretty darn good on it! |
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Post by Boomzilla on Apr 25, 2021 17:11:49 GMT -5
...Edit: As for wireless projectors, I remind you of your WiFi vs wired Ethernet file transfer, would you want to send a potential 4K HDR Blu Ray (that can have a bandwidth over 100 Mbps) over WiFi? (definitely OT) You're right about hijacking the thread - apologies. But I HAD to include one correction - The "wireless video" for projectors does NOT use 802.11 protocol, nor does it connect to any of your existing wireless networks. It is a dedicated, high-speed wireless link set up between the source & the projector. And it works perfectly. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2021 17:25:31 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on Apr 25, 2021 17:28:28 GMT -5
That's the 2020 LG 77 inch CX OLED. Still a fine OLED. Some people say it's not a whole lot different than the significantly more expensive 2021 G1. The price is also pretty darn good on it! The GX and CX of 2020 and the 2021 C1, all have the same panel. The G1 has the new EVO panel, which the Sony A90J series also uses, as well as the yet to be released Panasonic JZ2000 & JZ1500 series(which may or may not be sold here in the US). The EVO panel is supposed to be brighter(more NIT's) and sharper. www.techradar.com/uk/news/panasonic-jz2000-oled-price-release-date-specsDo you think the 83 inch Sony A90 will also contain the evo panel? I ask because LG only has a single 83 inch being released and that's the c1 which does not have the evo panel. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2021 17:37:22 GMT -5
The GX and CX of 2020 and the 2021 C1, all have the same panel. The G1 has the new EVO panel, which the Sony A90J series also uses, as well as the yet to be released Panasonic JZ2000 & JZ1500 series(which may or may not be sold here in the US). The EVO panel is supposed to be brighter(more NIT's) and sharper. www.techradar.com/uk/news/panasonic-jz2000-oled-price-release-date-specsDo you think the 83 inch Sony A90 will also contain the evo panel? I ask because LG only has a single 83 inch being released and that's the c1 which does not have the evo panel. Because it is Sony's Master Series panel, and the 55/65 have the EVO panel, I would think the 83in would as well. If you are interested you should talk to Robert Zohn @valueelectronics, but the Sony A90J series 83in is going for $8000. Whether that jump from a 77in LG G1 @ $4500 is worth it the extra $3500, you'll have to decide. I'm personally waiting to see the LG G1 in person, as well as if the Panasonic JZ2000/JZ1500 will be sold in the US(looks promising for now). I was checking out, in person, at BestBuy today the size differences from 65 to 77, and 77 to 85, and to me the jump to 77 is so much more in line with my expectations. I've also talked with an ISF professional calibrator, and while he believes there will be a difference in brightness out-of-the-box, it will be more so for SDR content and not near as noticeable for HDR content. He also told me that an ISF calibration would most likely be necessary to maximize/optimize the differences in OLED panels(ie: the difference from a C1 to a G1). Check out the Sony A90J 83in here, as they will have them in stock shortly. valueelectronics.com/product/sony-83-a90j-master-series-oled-tv-copy/ |
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Post by LCSeminole on Apr 25, 2021 17:46:26 GMT -5
Sitting at Costco waiting for my glasses to get fixed and watching the TVs. The 77” LG OLED is on display, don’t know if it’s the right model. View AttachmentThat's the 2020 LG GX Gallery series. It's meant to be wall-mounted and actually comes with the mount, and it does not have stand/feet included(if you want them they are an extra $99.) I highly considered the 77in GX, but because I know I'd regret not waiting on the new 2021 77in G1 EVO panel to compare with, I'm waiting for the G1 to be released in May, and then I'll make up my mind. I'm also thinking that EVO panel will trickle down to the 2022 LG C2 series ?, so that may play a part in my buying decisions. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 25, 2021 17:56:46 GMT -5
Do you think the 83 inch Sony A90 will also contain the evo panel? I ask because LG only has a single 83 inch being released and that's the c1 which does not have the evo panel. Because it is Sony's Master Series panel, and the 55/65 have the EVO panel, I would think the 83in would as well. If you are interested you should talk to Robert Zohn @valueelectronics, but the Sony A90J series 83in is going for $8000. Whether that jump from a 77in LG G1 @ $4500 is worth it the extra $3500, you'll have to decide. I'm personally waiting to see the LG G1 in person, as well as if the Panasonic JZ2000/JZ1500 will be sold in the US(looks promising for now). I was checking out, in person, at BestBuy today the size differences from 65 to 77, and 77 to 85, and to me the jump to 77 is so much more in line with my expectations. Check out the Sony A90J 83in here, as they will have them in stock shortly. valueelectronics.com/product/sony-83-a90j-master-series-oled-tv-copy/Hey that's a great link. That was the most detailed spec sheet I have seen so far. I have sent Robert an email. It will probably take me around two years to save up for such a purchase. I am hoping that in that time, I might be able to nab the 83 inch A90J for somewhere between 4 and 6 grand. I'm still trying to figure out just how big the tv needs to be. I plan to use paper to create a screen the size of an 83 inch set. That will give me an idea whether I would be comfortable with that size or if it's simply too big at my close distance. |
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Post by garbulky on Apr 25, 2021 20:10:53 GMT -5
LCSeminole Ok here's what I got. Sony does not say whether or not any of their tvs have the evo panel. However, the gentleman anticipates the 83 inch having the brightness improvements of the Sony A90 65 inch. That's good enough for me because the 65 is considered the best tv on the market in terms of picture quality. I shall wait though to confirm with reviewers that measure.
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