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Post by garbulky on May 5, 2021 13:27:08 GMT -5
By that time things will have advanced exponentially and you'll be asking questions about the new models.  Yes, it will be a constant learning curve to keep up, but it seems things are slowing down a bit, so maybe ‘incremental’ (would love to be surprised with exponential price drops 😄) It will be very interesting to see the state of things in that time. Here are some things I would be interested in seeing at 8 grand or less. 83 inch MicroLED 4k TVs at 2000 nits brightness. This is what I’ll be watching, at ~100” size. Coming up on 3 years with 85” 4K HDR DV blah blah, still very enjoyable and removes any rush to upgrade, but I can envision something bigger, brighter, blacker and I have the room for it. Hoping it will get below $10K, but it has a long way to go. Yes I think if they can get the microled prices down wall size displays will become commonplace. The nice thing about microleds is that they might potentially be able to meet ridiculous brightness specs. Who knows maybe in 5 to 10 years we will get 10,0000 nit peak brightness microled displays which would be all kinds of amazing and would likely meet realistic levels of light. Though the kind of heat dissipation needed for those would be very daunting! Currently Sony has a 10,000 nits prototype display shown in 2018. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 6, 2021 12:10:36 GMT -5
Yes, it will be a constant learning curve to keep up, but it seems things are slowing down a bit, so maybe ‘incremental’ (would love to be surprised with exponential price drops 😄) This is what I’ll be watching for, at ~100” size. Coming up on 3 years with 85” 4K HDR DV blah blah, still very enjoyable and removes any rush to upgrade, but I can envision something bigger, brighter, blacker and I have the room for it. Hoping it will get below $10K, but it has a long way to go. Yes I think if they can get the microled prices down wall size displays will become commonplace. The nice thing about microleds is that they might potentially be able to meet ridiculous brightness specs. Who knows maybe in 5 to 10 years we will get 10,0000 nit peak brightness microled displays which would be all kinds of amazing and would likely meet realistic levels of light. Though the kind of heat dissipation needed for those would be very daunting! Currently Sony has a 10,000 nits prototype display shown in 2018. That’s pretty amazing, though you bring up a good point about heat and the associated power consumption. I would certainly trade off maximum Nit values for lower heat and power values; say if I had a choice between 2000 and 5000 Nits, I might decide 2000 is ‘bright enough for my room’ and forgo the brightest options. Though it’s good to know the technology is coming to give us those choices. Saw this article today on screen size, nothing really new, though they mention using simple multipliers to calculate optimum size (4K). Seating Distance (in inches or cm) x 0.835 = THX Optimum Screen Size Seating Distance (in inches or cm) x 0.625 = SMTPE Optimum Screen Size www.cnet.com/how-to/when-it-comes-to-tv-sizes-get-the-biggest-one-you-can-buy |
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Post by garbulky on May 6, 2021 15:42:50 GMT -5
Yes I think if they can get the microled prices down wall size displays will become commonplace. The nice thing about microleds is that they might potentially be able to meet ridiculous brightness specs. Who knows maybe in 5 to 10 years we will get 10,0000 nit peak brightness microled displays which would be all kinds of amazing and would likely meet realistic levels of light. Though the kind of heat dissipation needed for those would be very daunting! Currently Sony has a 10,000 nits prototype display shown in 2018. That’s pretty amazing, though you bring up a good point about heat and the associated power consumption. I would certainly trade off maximum Nit values for lower heat and power values; say if I had a choice between 2000 and 5000 Nits, I might decide 2000 is ‘bright enough for my room’ and forgo the brightest options. Though it’s good to know the technology is coming to give us those choices. Saw this article today on screen size, nothing really new, though they mention using simple multipliers to calculate optimum size (4K). Seating Distance (in inches or cm) x 0.835 = THX Optimum Screen Size Seating Distance (in inches or cm) x 0.625 = SMTPE Optimum Screen Size www.cnet.com/how-to/when-it-comes-to-tv-sizes-get-the-biggest-one-you-can-buyThe ultra bright TVs likely will have limiters. I think the point of 10k nits is that it is equivalent to real life so no tone mapping is needed. But one could always limit it in software and allow for less bright panels. In a way they already do this with standard blu ray versus hdr. When hdr is engaged my oled switches modes and the picture is different. |
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Post by garbulky on May 7, 2021 22:54:45 GMT -5
LCSeminoleALL the US 2021 LG OLED panels will have the evo panel. Including the C1 and the A90J. That's big news!
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Post by drtrey3 on May 9, 2021 9:41:30 GMT -5
I still have a 65 but am looking to upsize as well. I wonder, does anyone else find a drawback with larger screens on some video? There are youtube videos that are fine on a phone or computer screen but the tv takes bad camerawork and turns it into vertigo! Now sports and film are never too large in my experience, but tv can be a bit disconcerting.
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 9, 2021 12:28:12 GMT -5
I still have a 65 but am looking to upsize as well. I wonder, does anyone else find a drawback with larger screens on some video? There are youtube videos that are fine on a phone or computer screen but the tv takes bad camerawork and turns it into vertigo! Now sports and film are never too large in my experience, but tv can be a bit disconcerting. Trey I started HDTV with a 73” in about 2004, and had two 73” models before upgrading to 85” 4K about 3 years ago. So part of the equation is whether you’re already at 4K, or that would be part of the size upgrade as well. When I first started watching the 4K/85 I found some of the DishTV material I watched didn’t look so good (motion remnants), this was part of the reason I switched to DirecTV (along with more 4K material), to my eyes DirecTV looks considerably better. This gets into one of the reasons I bought a Sony, the quality of their upscaling engine, even so it seems the Sony does a better job with Direct over Dish. This is all to say it depends on the resolution of the source material and the quality of the TVs upscaling (if you watch a lot of Brady Bunch you might be disappointed 🙂). The variety of YouTube videos would be hard to comment on, I’m sure some would look worse on a big screen, but I’d imagine they’d already look bad at 65. |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 9, 2021 18:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by drtrey3 on May 16, 2021 10:16:22 GMT -5
Yeah, part of it is resolution, and part of it is content. A frame filling face looks one way on the kid's phones but VERY different on the big screen. I need to figure the setting that will squeeze those videos into the inner third of my set so I am not looking at the pores or the chef, bartender, guitar teacher, whatever I am watching. It is about scale of content. Some things were just not meant for the big screen lol
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Post by LCSeminole on May 16, 2021 19:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on May 17, 2021 9:42:17 GMT -5
It seems like this is just the "official press release" type thing. The evo being on the other panels is probably unadvertised, especially because the same c1 models are being sold outside the us with no guarantee of it being evo. |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 17, 2021 11:09:16 GMT -5
It seems like this is just the "official press release" type thing. The evo being on the other panels is probably unadvertised, especially because the same c1 models are being sold outside the us with no guarantee of it being evo. Went to BestBuy this morning and ordered the Sony OLED 77in XR-A80J !!! Woot Woot. Supposed to arrive this Thursday and be delivered Friday morning sometime. I went with Sony because of their reputation for home theater/movie watching/video processing over the LG's video game prowess. I have an LG OLED now and am still quite pleased with the picture, and wouldn't have hesitated to get a 77in LG C1/G1, but I wanted to see what all the talk was about the Sony OLED's being on par with Panasonic's professional panels. Sony dropped the price, $4500, by a $1,000 to compete with the LG C1/G1 models right after release, so the $3499 price tag got the best of me. Interestingly I learned a load of information from a couple of calibrators this weekend. Both of Sony's 2021 OLED's are the new "EVO" panel, they are the closest to being professionally calibrated out of the box, and while they have 4 HDMI inputs, 2 are HDMI 2.1 & the other two are 2.0b. The two HDMI 2.1 inputs are both fully spec'ed for 48Gbps, where the LG C1/G1 are capped at 40Gbps(not sure why). If I didn't want a larger panel so bad I wouldn't have been in the market, as the LG 65OLEDC8 panel I have is every bit as good as the LG C9/CX models, it just isn't HDMI 2.1 compliant.  |
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Post by novisnick on May 17, 2021 11:14:29 GMT -5
It seems like this is just the "official press release" type thing. The evo being on the other panels is probably unadvertised, especially because the same c1 models are being sold outside the us with no guarantee of it being evo. Went to BestBuy this morning and ordered the Sony OLED 77in XR-A80J !!! Woot Woot. Supposed to arrive this Thursday and be delivered Friday morning sometime. I went with Sony because of their reputation for home theater/movie watching/video processing over the LG's video game prowess. I have an LG OLED now and am still quite pleased with the picture, and wouldn't have hesitated to get a 77in LG C1/G1, but I wanted to see what all the talk was about the Sony OLED's being on par with Panasonic's professional panels. Awesome! First impressions followed by your setup adventures please. 👍 |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 17, 2021 11:29:18 GMT -5
Went to BestBuy this morning and ordered the Sony OLED 77in XR-A80J !!! Woot Woot. Supposed to arrive this Thursday and be delivered Friday morning sometime. I went with Sony because of their reputation for home theater/movie watching/video processing over the LG's video game prowess. I have an LG OLED now and am still quite pleased with the picture, and wouldn't have hesitated to get a 77in LG C1/G1, but I wanted to see what all the talk was about the Sony OLED's being on par with Panasonic's professional panels. Awesome! First impressions followed by your setup adventures please. 👍 This goes without saying!  |
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Post by garbulky on May 17, 2021 12:24:25 GMT -5
It seems like this is just the "official press release" type thing. The evo being on the other panels is probably unadvertised, especially because the same c1 models are being sold outside the us with no guarantee of it being evo. Went to BestBuy this morning and ordered the Sony OLED 77in XR-A80J !!! Woot Woot. Supposed to arrive this Thursday and be delivered Friday morning sometime. I went with Sony because of their reputation for home theater/movie watching/video processing over the LG's video game prowess. I have an LG OLED now and am still quite pleased with the picture, and wouldn't have hesitated to get a 77in LG C1/G1, but I wanted to see what all the talk was about the Sony OLED's being on par with Panasonic's professional panels. Sony dropped the price, $4500, by a $1,000 to compete with the LG C1/G1 models right after release, so the $3499 price tag got the best of me. Interestingly I learned a load of information from a couple of calibrators this weekend. Both of Sony's 2021 OLED's are the new "EVO" panel, they are the closest to being professionally calibrated out of the box, and while they have 4 HDMI inputs, 2 are HDMI 2.1 & the other two are 2.0b. The two HDMI 2.1 inputs are both fully spec'ed for 48Gbps, where the LG C1/G1 are capped at 40Gbps(not sure why). If I didn't want a larger panel so bad I wouldn't have been in the market, as the LG 65OLEDC8 panel I have is every bit as good as the LG C9/CX models, it just isn't HDMI 2.1 compliant. OMG!!! So jealous! Have you set it up yet?! What do you think?!? I bet that extra size is going to be an incredible stepup!! |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 17, 2021 12:39:52 GMT -5
Went to BestBuy this morning and ordered the Sony OLED 77in XR-A80J !!! Woot Woot. Supposed to arrive this Thursday and be delivered Friday morning sometime. I went with Sony because of their reputation for home theater/movie watching/video processing over the LG's video game prowess. I have an LG OLED now and am still quite pleased with the picture, and wouldn't have hesitated to get a 77in LG C1/G1, but I wanted to see what all the talk was about the Sony OLED's being on par with Panasonic's professional panels. Sony dropped the price, $4500, by a $1,000 to compete with the LG C1/G1 models right after release, so the $3499 price tag got the best of me. Interestingly I learned a load of information from a couple of calibrators this weekend. Both of Sony's 2021 OLED's are the new "EVO" panel, they are the closest to being professionally calibrated out of the box, and while they have 4 HDMI inputs, 2 are HDMI 2.1 & the other two are 2.0b. The two HDMI 2.1 inputs are both fully spec'ed for 48Gbps, where the LG C1/G1 are capped at 40Gbps(not sure why). If I didn't want a larger panel so bad I wouldn't have been in the market, as the LG 65OLEDC8 panel I have is every bit as good as the LG C9/CX models, it just isn't HDMI 2.1 compliant. OMG!!! So jealous! Have you set it up yet?! What do you think?!? I bet that extra size is going to be an incredible stepup!! BestBuy didn't have any at my store so they had to order it from the regional warehouse. My store will get it Thursday, and they're scheduled to deliver to my house on Friday morning some time. I've been wanting a 77in since I got my 65in LG C8 model three years ago, so going larger was the main reason for this purchase as well as the price point. |
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Post by novisnick on May 17, 2021 17:29:13 GMT -5
Awesome! First impressions followed by your setup adventures please. 👍 This goes without saying!
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Post by LCSeminole on May 19, 2021 11:09:37 GMT -5
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Post by garbulky on May 19, 2021 12:37:07 GMT -5
Your A80J clearly leads over the C1 in brightness capabilities. It looks like it beats it across the board! The A90 J technically does have some lead in brightness in certain tests. How much of a real world difference that makes to our eyes, I don't know. |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 19, 2021 13:44:55 GMT -5
Your A80J clearly leads over the C1 in brightness capabilities. It looks like it beats it across the board! The A90 J technically does have some lead in brightness in certain tests. How much of a real world difference that makes to our eyes, I don't know. I feel like I made a great choice, especially since the 77in A80J is $300 less than both the LG OLED77C1 and Sony 65in A90J. Now that I've seen the specs/measurements on the A90J, I'm confident the LG G1 won't be any better, but will be interested in the RTING's review. Update: I got a call from BestBuy yesterday letting me know my 77in Sony A80J was tagged to go out on the truck at the store it was coming from, but somehow it missed getting on the truck. Thus this Fridays delivery is being postponed until the next Saturday. They offered delivery anytime during the week but work constraints are getting in the way. To BestBuy's credit, I've been given a $350 gift card(which is offered as incentives for the 2020 LG OLED77GX) for their screwup/my inconvenience. |
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Post by garbulky on May 19, 2021 13:52:14 GMT -5
Your A80J clearly leads over the C1 in brightness capabilities. It looks like it beats it across the board! The A90 J technically does have some lead in brightness in certain tests. How much of a real world difference that makes to our eyes, I don't know. I feel like I made a great choice, especially since the 77in A80J is $300 less than both the LG OLED77C1 and Sony 65in A90J. Now that I've seen the specs/measurements on the A90J, I'm confident the LG G1 won't be any better, but will be interested in the RTING's review. Update: I got a call from BestBuy yesterday letting me know my 77in Sony A80J was tagged to go out on the truck at the store it was coming from, but somehow it missed getting on the truck. Thus this Fridays delivery is being postponed until the next Saturday. They offered delivery anytime during the week but work constraints are getting in the way. To BestBuy's credit, I've been given a $350 gift card(which is offered as incentives for the 2020 LG OLED77GX) for their screwup/my inconvenience. I would definitely take that $350 ! |
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