77 vs 83 inch OLED

[LCSeminole]

Apr 25, 2021 20:10:53 GMT -5 garbulky said:

LCSeminole Ok here's what I got. Sony does not say whether or not any of their tvs have the evo panel. However, the gentleman anticipates the 83 inch having the brightness improvements of the Sony A90 65 inch. That's good enough for me because the 65 is considered the best tv on the market in terms of picture quality. I shall wait though to confirm with reviewers that measure.

You won’t have to wait long. There are already several ISF calibrator/reviewers scheduled to get the 77in G1 and 83in A90J in the next few weeks that will post their findings on YouTube and AVSForum. Personally, I’m looking forward to the G1 calibration measurements.

[garbulky]

LCSeminole
Well I have done the measurements.
83 inchers is 74X42" with the stand included.
This equals to 6 feet 2" by 3 feet 6 inches.
I sit exactly 8 feet away.
R
tings recommends 11.6 feet for mixed usage (30 degrees) with an 83 inch.
But rtings cinema recommendation (40 degrees of your vision filled) comes in at just over 8 feet.

My tv’s chief purpose is cinema. However, I will also ocassionally do work on it.
I also have the option of Wallmounting the TV to my brick wall which would get me to 9 feet distance.
I looked at a rough estimate of how big the tv would be. And well it would be pretty da*n big! But I wouldn’t have to turn my head. However, I may have to move my eyes quite a big to get to either side. I am not sure if that would get annoying or not.
So what I did is I looked at the 40 degrees recommendation for my 65 inch tv. And wouldn’t you know it that is 6.5 feet. So I could guestimate how big the A90J would be simply by scooting forward to the edge of the couch.
So how did it go?
In full screen formats, I felt that 1080p streaming youtube was just a hint pixelated. The picture sometimes looked just a little blurred. But also it took a bit of time to adjust to the size. After a bit of time, my eyes felt comfortable with the size, but it wasn’t exactly perfect. 4k youtube formats though took on a totally different experience. Noticeably sharper. I didn't test blu ray or my 4k blu rays yet.

Also things like cinematic camera motion was a much more immersive experience with the large full screen format. I can't wait to see 2001 a space oddyssey in 4k on a tv this size!

Despite a little discomfort, but still overall enjoyment, widescreen formats (which is most of my movies), the size was much more comfortable. In fact, I found myself wanting it to be just a wee bit bigger! So for me that clinches the deal. My main goal (in size) is to not feel shorted when watching widescreen formats and feeling like the picture needs to be much bigger. So I feel this would give me a decent balance between a good widescreen size and humungous full screen size. If I went with say an 88 inch format when prices go down, the widescreen size may be perfect but then full screen films may be simply too big at the distance.

[Boomzilla]

I’m proud to say that I may have had a hand in precipitating the perpetual drain of the Gar family budget for video gear... Mr. & Mrs. G did watch a movie on my wall when I had my Epson cinema projector and full surround-sound setup. Both were favorably impressed. Since then, of course, they’ve far surpassed me in expertise, HT quality, and budget. But they very obviously enjoy their rig, and I’m pleased to have had a modest role in setting them upon their path.

Boom

[cawgijoe]

When all else fails, the bigger the better!

[garbulky]

Apr 30, 2021 4:04:02 GMT -5 Boomzilla said:

I’m proud to say that I may have had a hand in precipitating the perpetual drain of the Gar family budget for video gear... Mr. & Mrs. G did watch a movie on my wall when I had my Epson cinema projector and full surround-sound setup. Both were favorably impressed. Since then, of course, they’ve far surpassed me in expertise, HT quality, and budget. But they very obviously enjoy their rig, and I’m pleased to have had a modest role in setting them upon their path.

Boom

Well the good news is you are not (completely) to blame!
My journey into sound and audio came from when I was a child. I had visited a relatives house and they had a home theater system. I had never seen a home theater system before. It simply wasn't a thing that people did! So they sat me down and played me a laser disc - also unheard of at the time. It was Top Gun.
I was stunned by the massive screen. I listened as the thunderous jets appeared to whizz over head with seemingly limitless power. Ever since then, I knew that was what I wanted. Since then, I wanted a big screen and that sense of sound immersion.
Now where you come in is that Epson showed me just show much I was missing. It had amazing black levels that I hadn't seen anywhere and the size of the screen was truly epic. So it spurred me on to get something that could provide that kind of experience.
But if you want to really be blamed for something, it's making me want to get a surround sound system!! The film Gravity was amazing in surround sound on that projector.

[garbulky]

Apr 29, 2021 23:59:50 GMT -5 garbulky said:

LCSeminole
Well I have done the measurements.
83 inchers is 74X42" with the stand included.
This equals to 6 feet 2" by 3 feet 6 inches.
I sit exactly 8 feet away.
R
tings recommends 11.6 feet for mixed usage (30 degrees) with an 83 inch.
But rtings cinema recommendation (40 degrees of your vision filled) comes in at just over 8 feet.

My tv’s chief purpose is cinema. However, I will also ocassionally do work on it.
I also have the option of Wallmounting the TV to my brick wall which would get me to 9 feet distance.
I looked at a rough estimate of how big the tv would be. And well it would be pretty da*n big! But I wouldn’t have to turn my head. However, I may have to move my eyes quite a big to get to either side. I am not sure if that would get annoying or not.
So what I did is I looked at the 40 degrees recommendation for my 65 inch tv. And wouldn’t you know it that is 6.5 feet. So I could guestimate how big the A90J would be simply by scooting forward to the edge of the couch.
So how did it go?
In full screen formats, I felt that 1080p streaming youtube was just a hint pixelated. The picture sometimes looked just a little blurred. But also it took a bit of time to adjust to the size. After a bit of time, my eyes felt comfortable with the size, but it wasn’t exactly perfect. 4k youtube formats though took on a totally different experience. Noticeably sharper. I didn't test blu ray or my 4k blu rays yet.

Also things like cinematic camera motion was a much more immersive experience with the large full screen format. I can't wait to see 2001 a space oddyssey in 4k on a tv this size!

Despite a little discomfort, but still overall enjoyment, widescreen formats (which is most of my movies), the size was much more comfortable. In fact, I found myself wanting it to be just a wee bit bigger! So for me that clinches the deal. My main goal (in size) is to not feel shorted when watching widescreen formats and feeling like the picture needs to be much bigger. So I feel this would give me a decent balance between a good widescreen size and humungous full screen size. If I went with say an 88 inch format when prices go down, the widescreen size may be perfect but then full screen films may be simply too big at the distance.

LCSeminole
What do you think of the above? Do you have any feedback regarding 30 degrees vs 40 degrees of vision? Do you think long run 40 degrees is too fatiguing?

[LCSeminole]

Apr 30, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Apr 29, 2021 23:59:50 GMT -5 garbulky said:

LCSeminole
Well I have done the measurements.
83 inchers is 74X42" with the stand included.
This equals to 6 feet 2" by 3 feet 6 inches.
I sit exactly 8 feet away.
R
tings recommends 11.6 feet for mixed usage (30 degrees) with an 83 inch.
But rtings cinema recommendation (40 degrees of your vision filled) comes in at just over 8 feet.

My tv’s chief purpose is cinema. However, I will also ocassionally do work on it.
I also have the option of Wallmounting the TV to my brick wall which would get me to 9 feet distance.
I looked at a rough estimate of how big the tv would be. And well it would be pretty da*n big! But I wouldn’t have to turn my head. However, I may have to move my eyes quite a big to get to either side. I am not sure if that would get annoying or not.
So what I did is I looked at the 40 degrees recommendation for my 65 inch tv. And wouldn’t you know it that is 6.5 feet. So I could guestimate how big the A90J would be simply by scooting forward to the edge of the couch.
So how did it go?
In full screen formats, I felt that 1080p streaming youtube was just a hint pixelated. The picture sometimes looked just a little blurred. But also it took a bit of time to adjust to the size. After a bit of time, my eyes felt comfortable with the size, but it wasn’t exactly perfect. 4k youtube formats though took on a totally different experience. Noticeably sharper. I didn't test blu ray or my 4k blu rays yet.

Also things like cinematic camera motion was a much more immersive experience with the large full screen format. I can't wait to see 2001 a space oddyssey in 4k on a tv this size!

Despite a little discomfort, but still overall enjoyment, widescreen formats (which is most of my movies), the size was much more comfortable. In fact, I found myself wanting it to be just a wee bit bigger! So for me that clinches the deal. My main goal (in size) is to not feel shorted when watching widescreen formats and feeling like the picture needs to be much bigger. So I feel this would give me a decent balance between a good widescreen size and humungous full screen size. If I went with say an 88 inch format when prices go down, the widescreen size may be perfect but then full screen films may be simply too big at the distance.

LCSeminole
What do you think of the above? Do you have any feedback regarding 30 degrees vs 40 degrees of vision? Do you think long run 40 degrees is too fatiguing?

I personally think there are too many so-called experts that try to tell us viewers what a minimum & maximum viewing distance should be for the different size flat panels. I think there are so many variables that one can go crazy thinking about how you can make your environment the perfect viewing situation. For some the 40 degrees will be fatiguing and others not so much, I don't however believe that the more full screen films can be too big, but that's just me. My biggest concern with a flat panel is optimizing(getting the most out of a flat panel) the OLED so that a movie will look real, color-wise, as if I'm in the movie itself. The specs for any TV are just that, "out-of-the-box", in vivid mode, and that just isn't satisfactory to me, which is why I always have a (certified)ISF professional calibrate my flat panels once they've been broken in about >200 hours. If you haven't seen "Andrew Robinson's" Sony Master Series A90J review of the 65in, give it a look-see. He has a few really good bits of advice.

[garbulky]

Apr 30, 2021 20:58:27 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

Apr 30, 2021 17:55:50 GMT -5 garbulky said:

LCSeminole
What do you think of the above? Do you have any feedback regarding 30 degrees vs 40 degrees of vision? Do you think long run 40 degrees is too fatiguing?

I personally think there are too many so-called experts that try to tell us viewers what a minimum & maximum viewing distance should be for the different size flat panels. I think there are so many variables that one can go crazy thinking about how you can make your environment the perfect viewing situation. For some the 40 degrees will be fatiguing and others not so much, I don't however believe that the more full screen films can be too big, but that's just me. My biggest concern with a flat panel is optimizing(getting the most out of a flat panel) the OLED so that a movie will look real, color-wise, as if I'm in the movie itself. The specs for any TV are just that, "out-of-the-box", in vivid mode, and that just isn't satisfactory to me, which is why I always have a (certified)ISF professional calibrate my flat panels once they've been broken in about >200 hours. If you haven't seen "Andrew Robinson's" Sony Master Series A90J review of the 65in, give it a look-see. He has a few really good bits of advice.

I agree. That's what is really confusing. For instance I use the 65 inch in mixed usage but I sit way closer than my reccomended viewing distance. So it's sort of hard to say what my real experience is though. I saw Andrew's review (and almost every youtube review on the a90J and LG G1) so far. They seem really positive. I have not professionally calibrated my current panel but I have used the Munsil and spears bench mark to tune the settings by hand. And you're right changing it out of factory settings makes a BIG difference!
I'll confess I'm a little worried about professional calibration because I've only seen a few examples and for the most part, the calibration comes out looking rather dim causing it to appear much dimmer than what reality looks like. Which I suppose is due to the tv's capabilities, but the advantage of the calibration is hard to see when the dimness overwhelms it. I certainly don't like vivid mode or anything where the picture looks washed out etc. Do you think calibration makes things look rather dim?

[garbulky]

Out of curiosity where do you think OLED's or flagship tvs will be in early 2023 or late 2022?
I think it is possible that the 8k 83 inch OLEDs will be the flagship by then AND they will carry the LG EVO Panel. The logitech Z series will also be updated with the evo panel at 88 inches and hopefully they will have updated its tech to produce more brightness using a heatsink. If there is a Sony 8k OLED that's 83 inches for 8 grand, I think that should be my purchase.

MiniLED TV prices should get bigger, their picture will probably start to improve making the comparison between miniled and OLED much tougher. I am hoping this will start a trend to bring down the cost of OLEDS. As well as we would get brighter OLEDs.

During this time, I think the first microleds for consumers would have been released and the price may be around 10 grand. Microleds will likely have some drawbacks like the smallest one would probably not be 4k (75 inch). However they will produce 2000 nits of brightness which will make them very desirable.
By 2024, I think microleds will have come down in price and their resolution would have been substantially increased to at least 4k in the small panels.

[LCSeminole]

These two new videos(posted yesterday and today) are quite telling about the LG G1 and C1 models. It looks like there is either some hype by LG over the EVO panel or the C1 is also an EVO panel and LG isn't putting all of there cards on the table. I've been reading too many professional calibrators personal first-hand thoughts that there is little to no difference in the C1 and G1 panels. The available information has me now leaning towards a model year 2020 77in GX or 77in C1. Right now I'll patiently wait on actual ISF calibration comparisons in the next month or so and go from there.

[drtrey3]

Too big for the news? Maybe. Too big for sports or movies? Not bloody likely.

Trey

[garbulky]

May 1, 2021 19:11:09 GMT -5 LCSeminole said:

These two new videos(posted yesterday and today) are quite telling about the LG G1 and C1 models. It looks like there is either some hype by LG over the EVO panel or the C1 is also an EVO panel and LG isn't putting all of there cards on the table. I've been reading too many professional calibrators personal first-hand thoughts that there is little to no difference in the C1 and G1 panels. The available information has me now leaning towards a model year 2020 77in GX or 77in C1. Right now I'll patiently wait on actual ISF calibration comparisons in the next month or so and go from there.

Very interesting. Looks like if you wait a little bit, all the C1s will eventually be evo panels. Basically this seems like they just want to sell out their CX panels by sticking them into the C1. When those are sold out, they'll just move over to the G1 panels.
Imo this is as it should have been and LG should just have waited to sell out their older panels to avoid this confusion. I thought it was a really bad move by LG to ONLY have their next gen panels be on the G1 because then they will be selling older gen on a bigger 83 inch panel than their own next gen flagship. Hopefully by the time the 83 inch C1 rolls out, it will also be on an evo panel.

[LCSeminole]

May 3, 2021 12:32:12 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Very interesting. Looks like if you wait a little bit, all the C1s will eventually be evo panels. Basically this seems like they just want to sell out their CX panels by sticking them into the C1. When those are sold out, they'll just move over to the G1 panels.
Imo this is as it should have been and LG should just have waited to sell out their older panels to avoid this confusion. I thought it was a really bad move by LG to ONLY have their next gen panels be on the G1 because then they will be selling older gen on a bigger 83 inch panel than their own next gen flagship. Hopefully by the time the 83 inch C1 rolls out, it will also be on an evo panel.

I'd be willing to bet the C1 83in will be an "EVO" panel from the start. Since LG didn't offer any 83in panels last year or for that matter ever, until now. Thus a brand new panel size for LG's OLED line should be the newer panel.

[audiobill]

Gar, it’s been two months on this thread. Pull the trigger yet on an $8k tv?

[AudioHTIT]

May 4, 2021 19:33:02 GMT -5 audiobill said:

Gar, it’s been two months on this thread. Pull the trigger yet on an $8k tv?

emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1069013/thread

[garbulky]

May 4, 2021 19:33:02 GMT -5 audiobill said:

Gar, it’s been two months on this thread. Pull the trigger yet on an $8k tv?

Will hopefully take me two years before I’m ready to purchase.

[audiobill]

Me too!

[monkumonku]

May 5, 2021 2:22:25 GMT -5 garbulky said:

May 4, 2021 19:33:02 GMT -5 audiobill said:

Gar, it’s been two months on this thread. Pull the trigger yet on an $8k tv?

Will hopefully take me two years before I’m ready to purchase.

By that time things will have advanced exponentially and you'll be asking questions about the new models.

[garbulky]

May 5, 2021 10:02:18 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

May 5, 2021 2:22:25 GMT -5 garbulky said:

Will hopefully take me two years before I’m ready to purchase.

By that time things will have advanced exponentially and you'll be asking questions about the new models.

It will be very interesting to see the state of things in that time.
Here are some things I would be interested in seeing at 8 grand or less.
83 inch MicroLED 4k TVs at 2000 nits brightness.
OLED TVs at substantially brighter capabilities and perhaps better color capability. Hopefully these will be LG OLEDs with heatsink technology.
83 inch 8k Versions of the Sony A90. - I think this one is the most realistic.

However it's also possible that whatever upgrades would not interest me much. Sort of like the difference between the CX and the C1 (non-evo version). If so, that means prices would be better on the older models. So either way, its a win for me.

[AudioHTIT]

May 5, 2021 10:02:18 GMT -5 monkumonku said:

By that time things will have advanced exponentially and you'll be asking questions about the new models.

Yes, it will be a constant learning curve to keep up, but it seems things are slowing down a bit, so maybe ‘incremental’ (would love to be surprised with exponential price drops 😄)

May 5, 2021 10:20:00 GMT -5 garbulky said:

It will be very interesting to see the state of things in that time.

Here are some things I would be interested in seeing at 8 grand or less.
83 inch MicroLED 4k TVs at 2000 nits brightness.

This is what I’ll be watching for, at ~100” size. Coming up on 3 years with 85” 4K HDR DV blah blah, still very enjoyable and removes any rush to upgrade, but I can envision something bigger, brighter, blacker and I have the room for it. Hoping it will get below $10K, but it has a long way to go.